Predator vs Jason Voorhees

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Why would the Predator be fighting like a speed demon if he wasn't taking the fight seriously? Does Cyclops strip off his visor against meager opponents? Predator made quick work of Hawkins, Dillon and Sonny in H2H when he was trying to kill them. Also later in the Schwarzenegger fight when we saw the fight through the Pred's eye, it was comboing Arnold pretty badly.

The OP says they're fighting in Camp Crystal lake, so there's a large body of water here and Jason is stupid enough to follow them to the water. We've seen it all the time.

Though I doubt the Predator would even need the water. If we're allowed to reference other F13 films (don't see why not since it's the same character), then I can give examples of characters who definitely have human capabilities giving it to Jason. There's Tommy Jarvis in part 6 who went against Jason not once but twice at the beginning and the end. Both encounters started with Jason grabbing him from behind and the first encounter ended with Tommy easily breaking free than kicking Jason back down to his grave. The second had Tommy actually outmuscling Jason and knocking him off the boat.

Next character Steven in part 9 who took Jason's best beatings and got back up to deliver some of his own in a fight that Jason ultimately died in.

Then there's Freddy Krueger who really layed it to Jason and defeated him and was ultimately killed by teenagers.

So we have three examples of human level opponents each who managed something against Jason in his fights. Tommy managed to overpower, Steven managed to take all his best beatings and came back for more and Krueger managed to downright beat the crap out of him and defeat him. And the Predator is superior to these three.

Listen, either show something that proves the Predator is some amazingly fast H2H fighter, or he's little more than a brutish slugger, as shown on screen. Yeah, Predator knows how to throw a punch and beat the **** up of of people; that's not in dispute.

OP says they're fighting in the woods, so that's where it is, the woods. Predator wouldn't know that Jason has a weakness to water, so your implication that the Predator would lead him to the lake is stupid. No different than me trying to angle Jason coming prepared with cold mud all over his corpse, just be as stupid.

That doesn't take away from Jason's feats though, now does it. The Predator was beaten by a human as well, nice of you to ignore that. If you're going to bring up movies 7-9, then Jason can just uppercut the Predator's head off; might take a couple extra hits. He also has some pretty impressive feats in part 10, pre and post the nano-upgrade.

BTW, Tommy Jarvis is an emotional mess, he'd probably beat the piss out of Dutch in a H2H fight.

This is my opinion:

Jason got his ass handed to him by Freddy Krueger in FvJ. Granted, Freddy had his glove, but he also had a lot of speed/agility. The few hits that Jason landed on Freddy were monstrous, but Freddy still got back up. And Freddy is a little 5'9" bastard, IIRC.

A Yautja, if I'm not mistaken, has natural claws at the ends of the fingertip. A Yautja is also far bigger and stronger than Krueger is in the "awake world". The alien's speed, strength, cunning, and hunter's skill will be the bane of Voorhees in this match.

Something I just realized:

A Yautja sees in an infrared spectrum, and Jason is dead, for lack of a better term. Can the alien actually "see" Jason with no apparent discernable heat signature? I mean, he's a corpse, FFS. He's cold meat, no?

Originally posted by Robtard
OP says they're fighting in the woods, so that's where it is, the woods. Predator wouldn't know that Jason has a weakness to water, so your implication that the Predator would lead him to the lake is stupid. No different than me trying to angle Jason coming prepared with cold mud all over his corpse, just be as stupid.

A lake is in the vicinity and could escalate there. People have many times figured out a character's weakness during fights.

Originally posted by Robtard
That doesn't take away from Jason's feats though, now does it. The Predator was beaten by a human as well, nice of you to ignore that.

Predator lost to a booby trap it didn't know was double rigged, plus it didn't even kill it. Jason's opponents on the other hand was using things that were lying around the area exception to one weapon.

Furthermore Predator let his opponent live when it could have killed Arnold and even unarmed itself. And the fight was completely one sided. As opposed to Jason who was going for the kill, got disarmed by his opponents, and they had the upperhand on a number of occasions during the fights.

Not to mention Arnold is a highly skilled soldier as opposed to Jason's normal fare of horny teenagers.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you're going to bring up movies 7-9,

I thought this thread was about movie 7?

Originally posted by Robtard
then Jason can just uppercut the Predator's head off; might take a couple extra hits.

You mean the same way he uppercutted Steven and Freddy's heads off? Oh wait...

And Jason was using weapons too against them in those fights. Even smashed Steven's head against a rock. Yet they still managed to take his hits and give it to him until he was killed.

Originally posted by Robtard
He also has some pretty impressive feats in part 10, pre and post the nano-upgrade.

I could go into great details to argue how alot of his feats in part 10 weren't that impressive. In fact I could already make the argument that boxer must have a pathetically weak neck because even though his head was knocked off, his body was still standing.

Plus he failed to snap a woman's neck, a black guy took repeatedly shots from him, same said woman held one of his arms back and another black guy who he thought he killed earlier in the film ended up killing him POST upgrade in part 10.

Originally posted by Robtard
BTW, Tommy Jarvis is an emotional mess, he'd probably beat the piss out of Dutch in a H2H fight.

Arnold would cream Tommy. I could beat up that fat incoherent drunk that Tommy beat up on.

Originally posted by Impediment
Something I just realized:

A Yautja sees in an infrared spectrum, and Jason is dead, for lack of a better term. Can the alien actually "see" Jason with no apparent discernable heat signature? I mean, he's a corpse, FFS. He's cold meat, no?

I already address this. Corpses were shown to be a green color in the movie. This isn't even going into the examples of the Predators being able to locate their targets despite being camouflaged that ranged from his movie to the AVP ones.

Originally posted by Impediment
This is my opinion:

Jason got his ass handed to him by Freddy Krueger in FvJ. Granted, Freddy had his glove, but he also had a lot of speed/agility. The few hits that Jason landed on Freddy were monstrous, but Freddy still got back up. And Freddy is a little 5'9" bastard, IIRC.

A Yautja, if I'm not mistaken, has natural claws at the ends of the fingertip. A Yautja is also far bigger and stronger than Krueger is in the "awake world". The alien's speed, strength, cunning, and hunter's skill will be the bane of Voorhees in this match.

Freddy's also supernaturally powered, he not just some skinny human with a sharp glove.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
A lake is in the vicinity and could escalate there. People have many times figured out a character's weakness during fights.

Predator lost to a booby trap it didn't know was double rigged, plus it didn't even kill it. Jason's opponents on the other hand was using things that were lying around the area exception to one weapon.

Furthermore Predator let his opponent live when it could have killed Arnold and even unarmed itself. And the fight was completely one sided. As opposed to Jason who was going for the kill, got disarmed by his opponents, and they had the upperhand on a number of occasions during the fights.

Not to mention Arnold is a highly skilled soldier as opposed to Jason's normal fare of horny teenagers.

I thought this thread was about movie 7?

You mean the same way he uppercutted Steven and Freddy's heads off? Oh wait...

And Jason was using weapons too against them in those fights. Even smashed Steven's head against a rock. Yet they still managed to take his hits and give it to him until he was killed.

I could go into great details to argue how alot of his feats in part 10 weren't that impressive. In fact I could already make the argument that boxer must have a pathetically weak neck because even though his head was knocked off, his body was still standing.

Plus he failed to snap a woman's neck, a black guy took repeatedly shots from him, same said woman held one of his arms back and another black guy who he thought he killed earlier in the film ended up killing him [B]POST upgrade in part 10.

Arnold would cream Tommy. I could beat up that fat incoherent drunk that Tommy beat up on.
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Nothing you said counters Jason's feats; you're going out on a limb to downplay them.

Still remains that Jason is a super powered zombie with massive damage-soak and some degree of regeneration. Predator punches aren't going to cut it here, time is on Jason's side.

Originally posted by Robtard
Freddy's also supernaturally powered, he not just some skinny human with a sharp glove.

Agreed.

However, isn't Freddy "just another schmo" when pulled out of the Dream World and into the real world? Else how could he be vulnerable i.e., killed?

Jason has MASSIVE damage soak, I also agree, but he is, more or less, a lumbering behemoth with nowhere near the feats of a Yautja. Couldn't Pred's skills somehow dominate?

Originally posted by Robtard
Freddy's also supernaturally powered, he not just some skinny human with a sharp glove.

It didn't help him at all during their final fight. Freddy fought with human abilities in the match and still won.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nothing you said counters Jason's feats; you're going out on a limb to downplay them.

What feats? His gore feats? Most of them came from using a weapon. Freddy and Jason Ritter even took full swings from that machete and Monica Keener even pulled off her own fatality in the FvJ end battle. So he punched off a boxer's head (yet failed to knock over his body) once throughout all 12 films. This is opposed to the dozens of times characters have wrestled with Jason and held him off for a while or downright escaping from him. You ever see that happening to a Predator?

Not to mention the later films showed us how strong Predators are in general and they vastly outmuscle Jason. Also I presented not 1, not 2, but 3 examples of enemies being nowhere near Predator level yet going toe to toe with Jason in meelee combat no less and winning.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still remains that Jason is a super powered zombie with massive damage-soak and some degree of regeneration. Predator punches aren't going to cut it here, time is on Jason's side.

Predators have taken way more punishment than Jason. I don't recall them ever getting their fingers sliced off by razors. Not to mention it takes heavy caliber weapons for them to start bleeding. Jason on the other hand had bullets from a swat team going right through him as he was too stunned to do anything other than get shot at and make moaning sounds. The next film had his body blown to bits by two uzis and a shotgun.

Predator took *two* grenade explosions going off on him to start bleeding. Jason took his first explosion in part 9 and had his body blown to bits and his head fly up like a football.

Anyways I could see this is becoming like the Terminator vs Spider-man thread. Doesn't matter how much legitimate points I make, people are going to be in denial.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
It didn't help him at all during their final fight. Freddy fought with human abilities in the match and still won.

Freddy and Jason's fight was a stalemate. Freddy may have made Jason fall first, but Jason still emerged from the lake to stab Freddy with his own gloved arm.

Originally posted by Impediment
Freddy and Jason's fight was a stalemate. Freddy may have made Jason fall first, but Jason still emerged from the lake to stab Freddy with his own gloved arm.

Jason only got that far because the teenagers kept on interfering. If it wasn't for them, the fight would have ended at the point Freddy sliced off Jason's fingers and was beating him down with his own machete. Heck without them we wouldn't have even got the final fight because they had to wake up Jason when he was dying in the dreamworld and Monica Keena had to pull Freddy into the real world after Jason couldn't do it.

Originally posted by Impediment
Agreed.

However, isn't Freddy "just another schmo" when pulled out of the Dream World and into the real world? Else how could he be vulnerable i.e., killed?

Jason has MASSIVE damage soak, I also agree, but he is, more or less, a lumbering behemoth with nowhere near the feats of a Yautja. Couldn't Pred's skills somehow dominate?

Without weapons, I don't think so. Give the Predator that cannon or something that slices(eg disc in P2), he wins in a stomp.

Originally posted by Robtard
Without weapons, I don't think so. Give the Predator that cannon or something that slices(eg disc in P2), he wins in a stomp.

I fail to see how so, my little p*ssy fart.

Kindly elaborate.

Originally posted by Impediment
I fail to see how so, my little p*ssy fart.

Kindly elaborate.

Predator punches and little claw scratches aren't going to shut down Jason's damage taking ability and his regeneration, Jason's also seemingly tireless. Predator's a touch mofo, but he bleeds, without a weapon to either blow Jason to pieces or chop off limbs, time is against him.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide

Anyways I could see this is becoming like the Terminator vs Spider-man thread. Doesn't matter how much legitimate points I make, people are going to be in denial.

Because your points are so obviously skewed, you're downplaying Jason having the strength to literally punch someone's head off, because "the body didn't fall", that's nonsense.

Originally posted by Robtard
Predator punches and little claw scratches aren't going to shut down Jason's damage taking ability and his regeneration, Jason's also seemingly tireless. Predator's a touch mofo, but he bleeds, without a weapon to either blow Jason to pieces or chop off limbs, time is against him.

Enlighten me: Where does Voorhees have regen abilities? No shit talking, I truly am in the dark.

Originally posted by Impediment
Enlighten me: Where does Voorhees have regen abilities?

It's been talked about it a few of the films, don't think the earlier ones though, as Jason from film 2 to about 6 wasn't the super-powered beast he turned into.

Voorhees became a zombie in Ft13 pt 6, IIRC.

Are we, in fact, discussing zombie Voorhees?

I assume so. For arguments' sake.

Originally posted by Robtard
Predator punches and little claw scratches aren't going to shut down Jason's damage taking ability and his regeneration, Jason's also seemingly tireless. Predator's a touch mofo, but he bleeds, without a weapon to either blow Jason to pieces or chop off limbs, time is against him.

Predator punches breaks stone walls and holes through trains. Jason has never been hit by an opponent like that. As for Jason being seemingly tireless, Predator is seemingly tireless. I see Jason on the floor and slowed down way more times than I see it happening to Predator.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because your points are so obviously skewed, you're downplaying Jason having the strength to literally punch someone's head off, because "the body didn't fall", that's nonsense.

One good strength showing doesn't mean we should ignore all his lesser ones. Especially when those lesser showings VASTLY outweighs his good ones. If we do that than Gladiator would always be at his planet busting, 100x lightspeed levels and where he can defeat Superboy Prime that CBR believes he's at. But most people outside CBR don't believe this because they've seen Gladiator fight, and it speaks for itself. Just like how Jason and Predator's fights speak for themselves.

Originally posted by Impediment
Enlighten me: Where does Voorhees have regen abilities? No shit talking, I truly am in the dark.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's been talked about it a few of the films, don't think the earlier ones though, as Jason from film 2 to about 6 wasn't the super-powered beast he turned into.

Jason doesn't have a healing factor. If he does the creators of F13th are doing an excellent job at keeping it a secret. Only time Jason has EVER shown healing onscreen was in part 10, and that was due to a healing machine.

Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
-Predator punches breaks stone walls and holes through trains. Jason has never been hit by an opponent like that. As for Jason being seemingly tireless, Predator is seemingly tireless. I see Jason on the floor and slowed down way more times than I see it happening to Predator.

-One good strength showing doesn't mean we should ignore all his lesser ones. Especially when those lesser showings VASTLY outweighs his good ones. If we do that than Gladiator would always be at his planet busting, 100x lightspeed levels and where he can defeat Superboy Prime that CBR believes he's at. But most people outside CBR don't believe this because they've seen Gladiator fight, and it speaks for itself. Just like how Jason and Predator's fights speak for themselves.

-Jason doesn't have a healing factor. If he does the creators of F13th are doing an excellent job at keeping it a secret. Only time Jason has EVER shown healing onscreen was in part 10, and that was due to a healing machine.

-The Predator in the first film didn't do those things.

-You're ignoring the rules of this forum.

-He does have regeneration; it's discussed in one of or more films. IRCC, in Jason X, the military want him for the purposes of unlocking his ability to regenerate. Haven't watched the other films in an extremely long time, so I couldn't verify.

Also, if you Wiki Jason Vorhees, it states that "regeneration" was added to his abilites as time went on, just like super-strength and being nigh-invulnerable.

Originally posted by Impediment
Voorhees became a zombie in Ft13 pt 6, IIRC.

Are we, in fact, discussing zombie Voorhees?

I assume so. For arguments' sake.

Yes. Human Jason would get his ass kicked by an unarmed Predator.