Originally posted by Robtard
-The Predator in the first film didn't do those things.
Those are examples what the Predators as a species would generally be physically capable of. There's no where in the film I recall being stated that the original is a weak sissy with only 1/4 the strength of his buddies nor is there anything that suggest it.
Originally posted by Robtard
-You're ignoring the rules of this forum.
I checked the rules. No where does it say we go by the obscure rare high showings of a character and ignore everything else or anything close to it. Not to mention if we go by best fight showing for Jason, he still gets his ass kicked.
Also if think just because Jason knocked off one person's head, that he'll be doing that to the Pred, than you're more delusional than the people I was arguing against in the Spider-man vs Terminator thread.
I mean really Jason's fights alone should say who wins this, and it ain't him.
Originally posted by Robtard
-He does have regeneration; it's discussed in one of or more films. IRCC, in Jason X, the military want him for the purposes of unlocking his ability to regenerate. Haven't watched the other films in an extremely long time, so I couldn't verify.Also, if you Wiki Jason Vorhees, it states that "regeneration" was added to his abilites as time went on, just like super-strength and being nigh-invulnerable.
Anyone can edit Wiki. The only time any mention of regeneration was mentioned was in the beginning of Jason X, and when they were referring about his "cellular regeneration", the creators weren't implying he had a healing factor. They were stating the government was interesting in him because you know, he's a freaking zombie and shouldn't be alive.
Furthermore the notion they were talking about a healing factor is later contradicted in the film when he was killed by guns and needed a healing machine to come back to life. Gee what about his healing factor? Dumb creators.
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Those are examples what the Predators as a species would generally be physically capable of. There's no where in the film I recall being stated that the original is a weak sissy with only 1/4 the strength of his buddies nor is there anything that suggest it.I checked the rules. No where does it say we go by the obscure rare high showings of a character and ignore everything else or anything close to it. Not to mention if we go by best fight showing for Jason, he still gets his ass kicked.
Also if think just because Jason knocked off one person's head, that he'll be doing that to the Pred, than you're more delusional than the people I was arguing against in the Spider-man vs Terminator thread.
I mean really Jason's fights alone should say who wins this, and it ain't him.
Anyone can edit Wiki. The only time any mention of regeneration was mentioned was in the beginning of Jason X, and when they were referring about his "cellular regeneration", the creators weren't implying he had a healing factor. They were stating the government was interesting in him because you know, he's a freaking zombie and shouldn't be alive.
Furthermore the notion they were talking about a healing factor is later contradicted in the film when he was killed by guns and needed a healing machine to come back to life. Gee what about his healing factor? Dumb creators.
Again, ignoring the rules. It's also clearly seen that not all Predators are equal, throughout the films. The Predator in part two was rundown and beaten by a cop, while the Predator in AVP:R was pure destruction.
You're also not objective, you're trying to attribute all the greatest feats of the Predators and using those, while trying to downplay Jason by attributing his weaknesses while he was just a human. There's human-Jason and undead-Jason; they're far different.
You keep bringing up the Spider-man/Terminator thread, I don't recall what you were arguing, but you seem really sore over it.
Correct, anyone can edit Wiki. Still doesn't mean that it's wrong in this case, considering we see Jason get blasted, stabbed, face chopped, neck broken etc. etc. etc. and he keeps on coming back. That and it's mentioned in the films, despite you saying it wasn't.
Dude, you just said "Jason doesn't have a healing factor. If he does the creators of F13th are doing an excellent job at keeping it a secret"; now that you're proven wrong, you're trying to downplay it. He was stopped by being chopped to pieces by the android, iirc, then the machine healed/improved him.
Even if we do away with regeneration since this is up to part7, Jason's damage-soak is more than enough to outlast Predator punches and slashes. Jason took a boat-propellar to the face and survived a broken neck in p6.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you just said "Jason doesn't have a healing factor. If he does the creators of F13th are doing an excellent job at keeping it a secret";
More like the writers since they keep adding to it
Victor Miller and Ron Kurzis the creators pretty sure that they did'nt have plans for Jason to be undead.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, ignoring the rules.
Please show me these rules.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's also clearly seen that not all Predators are equal, throughout the films. The Predator in part two got rundown and beaten by a cop, while the Predator in AVP:R was pure destruction.
That's fighting prowess, not physical attributes. If the Predator from P2 couldn't break a 2x4 and got killed by a single hit from a baseball bat, you would have a point, but that's not the case.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're also not objective, you're trying to attribute all the greatest feats of the Predators and using those, while trying to downplay Jason by attributing his weaknesses while he was just a human. There's human-Jason and undead-Jason; they're far different.
First when Predators punch walls, they usually break. You rarely see the opposite happening. That's not so much a high feat as it is a typical feat.
Second Jason's fights with Tommy, Steven and Freddy were in parts 6, 9 and 11. Those weren't human Jason last I checked. Furthermore Jason getting blown to bits by guns was in part 10, Jason getting completely stunned by the gunfire of a swat team was in part 9 and Jason having his body blown up by an explosion with his head flying like a football also in part 9. Non of these were human Jason.
Originally posted by Robtard
You keep bringing up the Spider-man/Terminator thread, I don't recall what you were arguing, but you seem really sore over it.
I made valid points that Terminator could take Spider-man punches and all the Spidey fans basically stuck their fingers in their ears and were going lalalala, you're wrong, you're wrong. Though you were one of the few that actually went as far as giving me a proper response.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, anyone can edit Wiki. Still doesn't mean that it's wrong in this case, considering we see Jason get blasted, stabbed, face chopped, neck broken etc. etc. etc. and he keeps on coming back. That and it's mentioned in the films, despite you saying it wasn't.
The face chop killed him. When did he get a broken neck? If it was when he got hanged, I doubt it broke his neck. He could take being stabbed and shot because he was mainly hit in the body for those, and well Jason doesn't bleed to death if you know what I mean.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you just said "Jason doesn't have a healing factor. If he does the creators of F13th are doing an excellent job at keeping it a secret"; now that you're proven wrong, you're trying to downplay it. He was stopped by being chopped to pieces by the android, iirc, then the machine healed/improved him.
The creators have never shown this healing factor in action onscreen before, so no I wasn't proven wrong. What they meant by his regeneration in that film was that he's a corpse, you know his body is dead, yet he's clearly still living. Somehow his dead cells are still alive, that's what they meant.
Originally posted by Robtard
Even if we do away with regeneration since this is up to part7, Jason's damage-soak is more than enough to outlast Predator punches and slashes. Jason took a boat-propellar to the face and survived a broken neck in p6.
When did he broke his neck in part 6? Recall him breaking other people's necks, but not getting his own broken. About the boat-propellar, it hit him in the face, he was out all night, opened his eyes again in the morning, then um died.
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Please show me these rules.That's fighting prowess, not physical attributes. If the Predator from P2 couldn't break a 2x4 and got killed by a single hit from a baseball bat, you would have a point, but that's not the case.
First when Predators punch walls, they usually break. You rarely see the opposite happening. That's not so much a high feat as it is a typical feat.
Second Jason's fights with Tommy, Steven and Freddy were in parts 6, 9 and 11. Those weren't human Jason last I checked. Furthermore Jason getting blown to bits by guns was in part 10, Jason getting completely stunned by the gunfire of a swat team was in part 9 and Jason having his body blown up by an explosion with his head flying like a football also in part 9. Non of these were human Jason.
I made valid points that Terminator could take Spider-man punches and all the Spidey fans basically stuck their fingers in their ears and were going lalalala, you're wrong, you're wrong. Though you were one of the few that actually went as far as giving me a proper response.
The face chop killed him. When did he get a broken neck? If it was when he got hanged, I doubt it broke his neck. He could take being stabbed and shot because he was mainly hit in the body for those, and well Jason doesn't bleed to death if you know what I mean.
The creators have never shown this healing factor in action onscreen before, so no I wasn't proven wrong. What they meant by his regeneration in that film was that he's a corpse, you know his body is dead, yet he's clearly still living. Somehow his dead cells are still alive, that's what they meant.
When did he broke his neck in part 6? Recall him breaking other people's necks, but not getting his own broken. About the boat-propellar, it hit him in the face, he was out all night, opened his eyes again in the morning, then um died.
Here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t478590.html
Going in circles, tiring. This is Predator from the first film, only.
LoL, Terminator couldn't take on Spider-man. T800 got blown in two by a small pipe-bomb. Spider-man's strength be more than enough to rip off parts, then there's that webbing. There's also the factor of speed, Spider-man has it, Terminators don't.
Neck broke when the prop chopped up his face. He was still alive at the end of part 6 while chained to a rock at the bottom of the lake. Part 7, chain breaks and Jason is freed. Ergo, he didn't "um died" in part 6.
Originally posted by Robtard
Here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t478590.html
And tell me which number is it that says we have to go by Jason's highest one time strength showing and ignore everything else? I don't see it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Going in circles, tiring. This is Predator from the first film, only.
So you're basically trying to use the argument that because the Predator from the first film never destroyed rock and metal walls (be hard pressed to find those things in the jungle), that he can't do it despite the fact it's been shown in later films Predators are generally this strong. Boy many comic characters that's established to be well over class 100 are going to be in trouble using that route. Even guys like Captain Marvel and Black Adam are going to be hard pressed to prove they're even half Superman's physicality. Yes they've fought the guy and did very well, but they never actually lifted or shown they actually are physically equal to Superman. Heck Kingdom Come Superman would be lucky to get a class 75 billing.
I mean seriously people going by just a physical standpoint, the first Predator was shown to be:
a) faster than all his counterparts
b) more durable than the second Predator
c) was outmuscling and manhandling a dude that held up a pick truck and bend huge jungle trees
Looking at those, you guys seriously think he couldn't break cement and metal like all his buddies?
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, Terminator couldn't take on Spider-man. T800 got blown in two by a small pipe-bomb. Spider-man's strength be more than enough to rip off parts, then there's that webbing. There's also the factor of speed, Spider-man has it, Terminators don't.
I'm not doing this again. I made all my valid points back at that thread, anyone wants to check it out, feel free.
Originally posted by Robtard
Neck broke when the prop chopped up his face. He was still alive at the end of part 6 while chained to a rock at the bottom of the lake. Part 7, chain breaks and Jason is freed. Ergo, he didn't "um died" in part 6.
Here's the movie for you folks.
Go to 4:20, this is when Jason rises up. Notice how he's not moving... at all, and looks very much dead? Check the previous scenes if you want, he's a statue up to that point. Also notice how Jason "wakes up" after Tina uses her powers to bring him back to life thinking he's her dad? Coincidence people? I think not.
Anyways this is tiring. I pretty much said everything I have to.
Originally posted by ImpedimentAs long as you are moving the Predator can see you iirc.
Something I just realized:A Yautja sees in an infrared spectrum, and Jason is dead, for lack of a better term. Can the alien actually "see" Jason with no apparent discernable heat signature? I mean, he's a corpse, FFS. He's cold meat, no?
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
And tell me which number is it that says we have to go by Jason's highest one time strength showing and ignore everything else? I don't see it.So you're basically trying to use the argument that because the Predator from the first film never destroyed rock and metal walls (be hard pressed to find those things in the jungle), that he can't do it despite the fact it's been shown in later films Predators are generally this strong. Boy many comic characters that's established to be well over class 100 are going to be in trouble using that route. Even guys like Captain Marvel and Black Adam are going to be hard pressed to prove they're even half Superman's physicality. Yes they've fought the guy and did very well, but they never actually lifted or shown they actually are physically equal to Superman. Heck Kingdom Come Superman would be lucky to get a class 75 billing.
I mean seriously people going by just a physical standpoint, the first Predator was shown to be:
a) faster than all his counterparts
b) more durable than the second Predator
c) was outmuscling and manhandling a dude that held up a pick truck and bend huge jungle treesLooking at those, you guys seriously think he couldn't break cement and metal like all his buddies?
I'm not doing this again. I made all my valid points back at that thread, anyone wants to check it out, feel free.
Here's the movie for you folks.
Go to 4:20, this is when Jason rises up. Notice how he's not moving... at all, and looks very much dead? Check the previous scenes if you want, he's a statue up to that point. Also notice how Jason "wakes up" after Tina uses her powers to bring him back to life thinking he's her dad? Coincidence people? I think not.
Anyways this is tiring. I pretty much said everything I have to.
We go by greatest feats, always have. You can't justy choose to ignore what he's done and make him weaker, because it suits your argument.
Yes, those are the "seen on screen" rules. Predaor from the first film isn't the same Predator from the other movies.
LoL, you're wrong again. At the end of part six, it shows a shot of the lake the next morning; Jason is still alive, waiting. I have the movie; here's a still from the very final shot:
Should have done your research before pontificating.
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
When did he broke his neck in part 6? Recall him breaking other people's necks, but not getting his own broken. About the boat-propellar, it hit him in the face, he was out all night, opened his eyes again in the morning, then um died.
At the end of Ft13 6, Jason opens his eyes in the manner of the cliche "bad guy is still alive even though we think that we killed him with the boat propeller." That is why Jason had MANY more sequels. He didnt "um die".
Okay this is the last time I'm doing this.
Originally posted by Robtard
We go by greatest feats, always have. You can't justy choose to ignore what he's done and make him weaker, because it suits your argument.
So it's not in the rules. Meaning I don't have to go by the ridiculous notion that I look at one thing and ignore EVERYTHING ELSE.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, those are the "seen on screen" rules. Predaor from the first film isn't the same Predator from the other movies.
Not going to bother with the Predator argument again cause clearly you're trying to argue against common sense. Oh by the way, if you want to go by that route, everyone ignore Jason punching off that head because that hasn't happened yet. Remember people the OP says part 7. That happened in part 8. Granted I can't bring up Jason's fights with Steven and Freddy, but his Tommy fight is still there.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you're wrong again. At the end of part six, it shows a shot of the lake the next morning; Jason is still alive, waiting. I have the movie; here's a still from the very final shot:Should have done your research before pontificating.
by me:
"When did he broke his neck in part 6? Recall him breaking other people's necks, but not getting his own broken. About the boat-propellar, it hit him in the face, he was out all night, opened his eyes again in the morning, then um died."
I did do my research. Okay people lets use a little thing called common sense here. If Jason was shown still alive in part 6, but was dead by the time part 7 started. Wouldn't that mean he died somewhere in between those two movies? Meaning my statement of Jason dying afterwards would be correct.
Try following the 'seen on screen feats rule', if Jason was shown having the strength to crush a mans skull, then he posseses the strength to do that. If he was durable enough to survive a propellar to the face, then he's that durable, etc. etc. etc.
Yes, that's already been said about part 8 not counting. You're the one that brought up movies past 7 in an attempt to show more weaknesses, while trying to ignore the strenghts.
He didn't die. Rant all you like. Trying to use that angle as some vantage point for the Predator is ridiculous.
What do you suggest, the Predator is going to lead him to water and then hold him down for 'X' amount of hours, or days or years until he "um dies" again?
I know I said that last post of mine was my last, but there was one comment from Robtard that I couldn't leave alone.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, Terminator couldn't take on Spider-man. T800 got blown in two by a small pipe-bomb. Spider-man's strength be more than enough to rip off parts, then there's that webbing. There's also the factor of speed, Spider-man has it, Terminators don't.
Wow what a hypocrite you are. In that other thread people kept on trying to make the claim Terminator would never be able to land any hits or shots on Spidey (despite many characters in those movies did). Yet here Jason ain't having any trouble hitting Predator despite the fact the first Predator evaded more gunfire and traps than Spidey ever did in those movies. While Terminator is not only faster and could nail targets WAY better than Mr. Freddy is evading my attacks too much and killing me with my own machete.
P.S. After Jason got hit in the face by the propeller, he was out until morning. So if he takes that much damage to the face is he going to be fighting while unconscious? I'll love to see that.