Originally posted by ScreamPasteQuote from Dissidia:
Shame he hasn't, and there's been no quote supplied, and even if it does exist, is more than likely simple hyperbole. 😛
"Oblivion - Light-speed movement continuously damaging foe."
When Sephiroth uses Oblivion, he moves instantly to the opposite side of his foe, who is then assaulted by a combo of hits too fast to be seen. Make of that what you will, but it fits the above description. I'd show a video, but the game's only available on PSP. You'll have to take my word for it.
IMO, its enough to suggest that Sephiroth's speed isn't all hype.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm just gonna go ahead and let you know that Link's capable of doing a lot more damage with a sword than Sephiroth, don't bother making the comparison. Link doesn't have to do anything, though. He can sit around and lol while Sephiroth and Vince get their shit pushed in by Ganon. 😬 They have no answer to his durability or power, and especially not to being trapped between dimension. Seems like they're gonna have to go hang out with C'Thulhu until the stars are right. haermm
You know how many FF characters are capable of that same magic to banish people in dimensions 😐
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lolargumentfromgameplaymechanics. Because allowing the player to just tunnel through every wall in the game is so conducive to an exploration and puzzle based game. It also goes right thorugh NPC's without hurting them. Apparently Link's sword can't kill people. /eyeroll.Edit: when Sephiroth or Cloud have some kind of strength feat worth note by comparison, you might have an argument.
Well instead of slicing through the rocks, he works to get bombs or some sort of strength enhancer to help him move it instead correct?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Play a Zelda game.
I've already established that;
1. Neither Vincent or Seph has ever hit light speed, and we've seen no quote, feat, or anything. If such a quote exists, I'd put money on it being obvious hyperbole.
2. Link and Ganon are both too durable to be harmed by silly class tens. Concrete abnd steel are not more durable than characters who fight each other with class 100+ strength.
3. I have a hangover, and am not feeling particularly generous with my time today. You're lucky I've even acknowledged you.
This goes back to the needing equipment to move boulders, then again I'm sure thats mechanics as well seeing as it has been stated he can slice through rocks easily if they are evil in heart haermm
1. Dissidia is completely canon to FF. Also Chaos Vincent was impaled by two swords and still had enough to reappear behind his oppenant in mere milliseconds, so what speed feat have link & ganon to stopping this?
2. Class 100+ strength? Link needs special boots to stop a goron, that a normal human was able to stop as well with the boots, special gloves to pick up a bomb, and bombs to blow rocks. Ganon survived a crashing castle isn't much seeing as he is only capable of losing to the master sword & seeing as that would make the match illegal what else does he have? He gets impaled by a sword and he shuts down like a computer.
3. That hangover is obviously lasting
id like to point out that the above mentioned speed feat was in super slo-mo, as was the majority of that particular fight scene - the only time the fight is seen in real-time is the birds-eye shot where both chaos vincent and weiss are moving fast enough to appear to be in 20 different places at once 😛
Originally posted by SpadeKing
1. Dissidia is completely canon to FF. Also Chaos Vincent was impaled by two swords and still had enough to reappear behind his oppenant in mere milliseconds, so what speed feat have link & ganon to stopping this?
2. Class 100+ strength? Link needs special boots to stop a goron, that a normal human was able to stop as well with the boots, special gloves to pick up a bomb, and bombs to blow rocks. Ganon survived a crashing castle isn't much seeing as he is only capable of losing to the master sword & seeing as that would make the match illegal what else does he have? He gets impaled by a sword and he shuts down like a computer.
3. That hangover is obviously lasting
1. Well, let's make Brawl canon to Link. He dodges lasers and is therefore easily capable of dodging even "lightspeed" Sephiroth.
2. The concept of physics escape you. Let's say that you and I can both lift one hundred and fifty pounds. However, you weigh three hundred pounds, and I only weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. Clearly you have an amazing advantage because it is much easier for you to move me, because I am not as large as you. This is why Link needs the Iron Boots to wrastle them thar Gorons He is just as strong, but not quite as heavy.
It is already well established that Ganon can only lose to the Master Sword, and that this is not true for these threads. So we toss that aside, but that doesn't mean we toss aside his MS related feats. He has still tanked incredible amounts of damage from the sword and things other than the sword. He survived a beating with the sword from Link, brought down his castle, got out of the rubble to fight Link again, was stabbed with the sword in the skull and still did not die. Keep in mind the sword is his weakness. It's like Kryptonite to Superman.
Those are just OoT.
3. Yet he's still thinking more clearly than you. Hmm...
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
>_>I might not have played every FF game there is, but I am pretty damn sure that not all of them take place on the same planet in different time periods. I believe this classifies Dissidia as a crossover and therefore is not canon.
Dissidia is FF1 (Near the end), everything is explained storywise to allow the 'crossover'. It was designed, developed and published by Sqaure Enix which is as much as Canon as you can get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucY2k8LhvEU
Chaos Vincent speed feat. Watch the end and try to keep up.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticedodging a machine that is controlling light is different than dodging the light itself. i mean i could dodge a laser beam being swung by a person (not really, but the point still stands), now if the lasser pointer was pointed right at me and i was to have him push the button and then i dodge, i would instantly fail for obvious reasons, and the latter is not what link did
1. Well, let's make Brawl canon to Link. He dodges lasers and is therefore easily capable of dodging even "lightspeed" Sephiroth.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucY2k8LhvEUChaos Vincent speed feat. Watch the end and try to keep up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4TZnSSd4OA&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-7-HM this is a better example, start at 27 seconds
I'm not getting how this helps Sephiroth or Vincent, at all. 😬 They have no way of taking out the other two characters.
Apparently Seph can only move at light speed during one special attack, in a crossover, and it's more of a teleport, probably hyperbole, and wholly inconsistant. He could be FTL though, and it wouldn't matter, Ganon would still solo this thread.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1. Well, let's make Brawl canon to Link. He dodges lasers and is therefore easily capable of dodging even "lightspeed" Sephiroth.2. The concept of physics escape you. Let's say that you and I can both lift one hundred and fifty pounds. However, you weigh three hundred pounds, and I only weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. Clearly you have an amazing advantage because it is much easier for you to move me, because I am not as large as you. This is why Link needs the Iron Boots to wrastle them thar Gorons He is just as strong, but not quite as heavy.
It is already well established that Ganon can only lose to the Master Sword, and that this is not true for these threads. So we toss that aside, but that doesn't mean we toss aside his MS related feats. He has still tanked incredible amounts of damage from the sword and things other than the sword. He survived a beating with the sword from Link, brought down his castle, got out of the rubble to fight Link again, was stabbed with the sword in the skull and still did not die. Keep in mind the sword is his weakness. It's like Kryptonite to Superman.
Those are just OoT.
3. Yet he's still thinking more clearly than you. Hmm...
Originally posted by MadMel
it doesnt work like that - brawl isnt canon, and dissidia is - thats that 😬
also, even with the laser dodging feat he wouldnt be faster than seph..
Also whats in the Ultimania is canon otherwise the creators wouldn't have said it was ermm
Also you're missing the point, Link couldn't stop the Gorons as well with his class 100+ strength but with the boots he could AS WELL as a NORMAL human in his village.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not getting how this helps Sephiroth or Vincent, at all. 😬 They have no way of taking out the other two characters.Apparently Seph can only move at light speed during one special attack, in a crossover, and it's more of a teleport, probably hyperbole, and wholly inconsistant. He could be FTL though, and it wouldn't matter, Ganon would still solo this thread.
We still haven't gotten any reason they can win now considering their disadvantages. Dimensional banish? Basically everyone in FF universe knows it. Link's sword? He does less damage than Sephiroth judging by your qoutes earlier.
I've never seen Sephiroth banish anyone to hang out with C'Thulhu, Vincent either?
And k, wiseguy, explain swordlocking with Ganondorf. 😬
Link and Ganon can't lose. Also, lolwut at Sephiroth being more dangerous with a sword than Link. Seph's class 10 at best.
Edit: I just searched and can't find a Cloud v.s. Ganon thread. Odd.