Deacon Frost versus Blackheart.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was implied, said about La Magra, same thing. Like Agent 47 being "An expert in all forms of combat" and Swagger being "The best." If its said, implied or shown, it counts here. Unless it is a scene where someone is obviously exaggerating, like when Buscemi said Mariachi was "The biggest Mexican he had ever seen."

Right, and calling Deacon a "god" on any level is definitely an exaggeration.

Whereas, calling BH a "god" is not and exaggeration in any way shape or form. He's even more powerful than his father, who happens to be the supreme ruler/god of Hell. 😐

This is how he beats frost:

He simply looks at him, and turns him into ash. Just the same as he did to any other flesh. 😬

/thread.

Now that that is out of the way, let's move onto another thread.

No sir, afraid not, it was never shown working on a vampire. Vampires have a core temperature of 50 degrees, they aint human, not in any way.

BH's freeze ash thingie was shown working on humans only.

If we dont SEE it, it never happened.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't be silly. It's magic, not some sort of science thing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Science that worked on humans, not vampires.

Yup. Going by screen feats only. 🙄

However, I still think there is a way out of this: That power is transmuting matter into a different kind of matter, obviously. Therefore, all matter is subject to that ability.

Pwned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup. Going by screen feats only. 🙄

However, I still think there is a way out of this: That power is transmuting matter into a different kind of matter, obviously. Therefore, all matter is subject to that ability.

Pwned.

BH's powers worked on humans only.

Frost aint human.

Get it? 😄

No room for scientific debate here, what happened or didnt happen onscreen is what we use here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nice try.

BH's powers worked on humans only.

Frost aint human.

Get it? 😄

No room for scientific debate here, what happened or didnt happen onscreen is what we use here.

Nope. It's too late. I already ended the thread with my last post. There's no hope for anyone against Blackheart besides Dr. Manhatten, other characters with godlike powers such as Ghost Rider or Michael (the arch-angel from various movies), etc.

As long as the person is made of matter and can die if that matter is turned into something else, BH can beat them. Since BH is truly immortal, no one can beat him except for other god-like magical beings such as Ghost Rider, Dr. Manhattan, Michael, etc. Obviously, God could beat him (from thigns like Bruce Almighty, etc.)

You're speculating. BH was never shown freezing non humans, much less a vampire like Frost with La Magra's powers.

You have absolutely nothing to back up your claim, whereas I have screen feats, or lack thereof.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're speculating. BH was never shown freezing non humans, much less a vampire like Frost with La Magra's powers.

You have absolutely nothing to back up your claim, whereas I have screen feats, or lack thereof.

It's too late. I ended the thread: That power is transmuting matter into a different kind of matter, obviously. Therefore, all matter is subject to that ability.

K haermm

Too bad it wasn't shown on screen, or you'd have sumthin.

Magical spells, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K haermm

Too bad it wasn't shown on screen, or you'd have sumthin.

Magical spells, dude.

It was shown on screen. BH can transmute matter.

Let's pretend that his ability to transmute matter is solely limited to the matter that makes up humans.

Well, gosh darn-it, Deacon is made of the same stuff. Shucks.

He transmutes that same stuff into a pile of ash.

Now do you see why the thread is ended? Now do you see why any versus match with BH is stupid unless it's another (real) godlike character?

Deacon Frost aint human, and he is La Magra powered. He's an uber uber super duper vampire with immediate regen capabilities.

Lets say the freeze attack DOES work for the lulz, then Deacon simply regens as BH does it.

But it wont work, because, you know, what I said in the forst paragraph.

Cheese on the taco.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Deacon Frost aint human, and he is La Magra powered. He's an uber uber super duper vampire with immediate regen capabilities.

Lets say the freeze attack DOES work for the lulz, then Deacon simply regens as BH does it.

But it wont work, because, you know, what I said in the forst paragraph.

Cheese on the taco.

Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. it tries to, but it doesn't even come close.

The thread is done. The only reason it continues is you continue to post. (And I want you to admit you are wrong.)

You have nothing to counter BH's ability to transmute matter. You tried the "but, he only did it to humans." Since the vamps are made of the same elements, that point of yours is completely moot.

Unless Deacon all of a sudden develops the ability to transmute matter himself, he's done.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. it tries to, but it doesn't even come close.

The thread is done. The only reason it continues is you continue to post. (And I want you to admit you are wrong.)

You have nothing to counter BH's ability to transmute matter. You tried the "but, he only did it to humans." Since the vamps are made of the same elements, that point of yours is completely moot.

Unless Deacon all of a sudden develops the ability to transmute matter himself, he's done.

The vampires aren't the same as humans, man, they fed on blood, they have super human powers, and you keep ignoring Deacons La Magra powers. You are assuming that he can be frozen just like a human can. It's second guessing with absolutely nothing to back it up.

If we adhere to the MVF golden rule, no, BH cannot freeze Deacon.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The vampires aren't the same as humans, man, they fed on blood, they have super human powers, and you keep ignoring Deacons La Magra powers. You are assuming that he can be frozen just like a human can. It's second guessing with absolutely nothing to back it up.

If we adhere to the MVF golden rule, no, BH cannot freeze Deacon.

Cool story bro.

None of that addresses anything I've said, though. And, you're 100% wrong. You just need to admit it. I've already explained to you how you're wrong, inexorably, you just have to admit it now.

If you have to read my posts over and over again, do so. Then, post, "I was wrong."

I've read your posts, they are full of second guessing and speculation. Nothing, not one thing, points towards BH being able to freeze Deacon. No proof to back up what you assuming.

No vampire was shown being frozen by BH, indo discussion.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I've read your posts, they are full of second guessing and speculation. Nothing, not one thing, points towards BH being able to freeze Deacon. No proof to back up what you assuming.

No vampire was shown being frozen by BH, indo discussion.

No they aren't.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash? 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
No they aren't.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash? 😐

Wow. You really think a vampire like Deacon, with La Magra powers, is the same as a human? 😆 Funny.

All your words, all the scientific bullshit, all the "RJ is reaching, grasping at straws" drama, they mean nothing compared to this:

Originally posted by Impediment

The MVF Golden Rule:[b]What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

-Impediment [/B]

BH is never shown freezing a vampire, he is only shown freezing humans. Vampires are different than humans. VERY different, especially one with La Magra powers. To assume the BH freeze works the same on Deacon as he was with La Magra, is stupid. You're the one reaching and grasping at straws, presenting arguments with not one bit of proof to back them, whereas I have all I need and then some.

Valid screen feat: BH freezes humans.

Non valid screenfeat: BH freezing vampires.

DDM's bullshit assumption of the day: Vampires are the same as humans.

In the end, all your mumbo jumbo falls on it's ass, why? See above. Shower, rinse, repeat.

Tell me, science guy, what exactly is going on when BH freezes a human?

Just watch the vid:

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Deacon displays agility, stregth, and speed that BH never did, he is light years ahead of BH in all of these.

Blade chops off his hand, then cuts him in half, What happens? Deacon regens almost immediately, his top and bottom halves are rejoining even as they are seperating. Blade impales him with his sword and Deacon SMILES at him.

No physical attack is gonna hurt Deacon, don't be a fool. BH is not gonna have the anti coagulants Blade had, that was Deacons only weakness.

BH will never catch Deacon, he's too fast. BH can throw anything he wants at Deacon, including his freeze attack, and Deacon will regen/heal instantly.

BH cannot harm Deacon, screen feats prove ths time and time again.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just watch the vid:

u3YLY88-qcs&feature=related

Deacon displays agility, stregth, and speed that BH never did, he is light years ahead of BH in all of these.

Blade chops off his hand, then cuts him in half, What happens? Deacon regens almost immediately, his top and bottom halves are rejoining even as they are seperating. Blade impales him with his sword and Deacon SMILES at him.

No physical attack is gonna hurt Deacon, don't be a fool. BH is not gonna have the anti coagulants Blade had, that was Deacons only weakness.

BH will never catch Deacon, he's too fast. BH can throw anything he wants at Deacon, including his freeze attack, and Deacon will regen/heal instantly.

BH cannot harm Deacon, screen feats prove ths time and time again.

Thread is dead:

You didn't pay attention, so you think you should have responded. You shouldn't have.

None of your points address what I've stated, which is seen on screen.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash?