Deacon Frost versus Blackheart.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wow. You really think a vampire like Deacon, with La Magra powers, is the same as a human? 😆 Funny.

All your words, all the scientific bullshit, all the "RJ is reaching, grasping at straws" drama, they mean nothing compared to this:

BH is never shown freezing a vampire, he is only shown freezing humans. Vampires are different than humans. VERY different, especially one with La Magra powers. To assume the BH freeze works the same on Deacon as he was with La Magra, is stupid. You're the one reaching and grasping at straws, presenting arguments with not one bit of proof to back them, whereas I have all I need and then some.

Valid screen feat: BH freezes humans.

Non valid screenfeat: BH freezing vampires.

DDM's bullshit assumption of the day: Vampires are the same as humans.

In the end, all your mumbo jumbo falls on it's ass, why? See above. Shower, rinse, repeat.

Tell me, science guy, what exactly is going on when BH freezes a human?

Nothing in your post addressed what I said. It ignores it in the hopes of continuing a non-existant debate.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash?

And, to try, pay close attention to this portion: You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Does that mean that no franchise without a specific species can never beat that species in the MVF? "Dude, he beat up fifty norse Gods with one hand" - "Yeah, but he was never shown to beat a zombie".

Weird logic.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nice try.

BH's powers worked on humans only.

Frost aint human.

Get it? 😄

No room for scientific debate here, what happened or didnt happen onscreen is what we use here.

Frost's powers never worked on a demon the caliber of BH so it can't hurt him. Aren't you the same guy who said death spells and whatnot would work on the mutants even though they've never been shown to work on mutants...only wizards and stuff... Seems a bit hypocritical.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing in your post addressed what I said. It ignores it in the hopes of continuing a non-existant debate.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash?

And, to try, pay close attention to this portion: You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Yes, we go by what's onscreen, BH froze humans. Humans and Vampires are as different as night and day.

You saying that BH can freeze Deacon as easily as a human is like me saying that the T Virus will, without a doubt, affect Wolverine the same way as it would a human. Or that the 28 days later infection would do the same.

Look:

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Deacon has speed, agility, and regen that is light years ahead of BH. The only thing questionable is strength.

Blade cut off his hand then cut him in half. Deacon's top and lower halves were reforming even as Blade's sword exited his left side. Blade impaled him and Deacon smiled, FFS.

Vampires undergo a metamorphosis when they change from being human, they are completely different. Sure, their organs are still there, they still have an epidermis, but their cellular structure, their immune system, their nervous system, all of it, changes. They evolve into a stronger, more advanced being.

Having said that, add on the fact that Deacon has La Magra powers, yeah, BH's freeze attack will have little if any effect on him. If BH grabs him and does the freeze attack, then Deacon's regen (Which is like Wolvie's on uber steroids), kicks in and regens even as he is being frozen.

So......BH cannot catch Deacon....... BH cannot match Deacon's agility....... BH cannot hurt Deacon.......Screen feats dicate advantage Deacon. But hey, continue your speculating, continue claiming you have "ended the thread." You are second guessing and making claims that have zero, absolutely zero evidence to back them, while I have screen feats to back mine. Advantage RJ.

Vampire....Humans........Two different species, man.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Frost's powers never worked on a demon the caliber of BH so it can't hurt him. Aren't you the same guy who said death spells and whatnot would work on the mutants even though they've never been shown to work on mutants...only wizards and stuff... Seems a bit hypocritical.

Mhm, it is my opinion that magical spells will work on mutants. And at the same time, people were saying that Xavier's mind powers will work on wizards.

Mutants can be killed with a bullet, with a knife, Vampires cannot. Unless it is a UV round or silver, dependiing on the franchise.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Mhm, it is my opinion that magical spells will work on mutants. And at the same time, people were saying that Xavier's mind powers will work on wizards.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But you realize that it is the same thing. Claiming magic spells work on mutants and claiming his powers work on vampires.

A regular vampire compared to Deacon is like a low class mutant compared to Dark Phoenix.

I ask again, when BH does his freeze attack, what exactly is going on? How does it kill the human?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are forgetting that Deacon is not just some suckhead, he has La Magra powers, man.

That has nothing to do with it. From your point of view we can just shut the MVF down. There's hardly any thread where we can't just use the same argument you try to use.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope, he did that to humans only, Deacon aint human.

Well neither is GH and it worked fine on him, what saved him was his immortality.

8:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpDCoznhzs&feature=related

Wait doesn't Blackheart like, emit death? Like people are just...dead...when they are around him?

Sounds like a pretty decent move.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, we go by what's onscreen, BH froze humans. Humans and Vampires are as different as night and day.

You saying that BH can freeze Deacon as easily as a human is like me saying that the T Virus will, without a doubt, affect Wolverine the same way as it would a human. Or that the 28 days later infection would do the same.

Look:

u3YLY88-qcs&feature=related

Deacon has speed, agility, and regen that is light years ahead of BH. The only thing questionable is strength.

Blade cut off his hand then cut him in half. Deacon's top and lower halves were reforming even as Blade's sword exited his left side. Blade impaled him and Deacon smiled, FFS.

Vampires undergo a metamorphosis when they change from being human, they are completely different. Sure, their organs are still there, they still have an epidermis, but their cellular structure, their immune system, their nervous system, all of it, changes. They evolve into a stronger, more advanced being.

Having said that, add on the fact that Deacon has La Magra powers, yeah, BH's freeze attack will have little if any effect on him. If BH grabs him and does the freeze attack, then Deacon's regen (Which is like Wolvie's on uber steroids), kicks in and regens even as he is being frozen.

So......BH cannot catch Deacon....... BH cannot match Deacon's agility....... BH cannot hurt Deacon.......Screen feats dicate advantage Deacon. But hey, continue your speculating, continue claiming you have "ended the thread." You are second guessing and making claims that have zero, absolutely zero evidence to back them, while I have screen feats to back mine. Advantage RJ.

Vampire....Humans........Two different species, man.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thread is dead:

You didn't pay attention, so you think you should have responded. You shouldn't have.

None of your points address what I've stated, which is seen on screen.

We can only go by what was seen on screen. BH can transmute matter, easily. No need to be beligerant when it was clearly seen...by you.

You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Now, anything else you post, is wrong, speculation, or grasping. You have no way out. You absolutely cannot prove, even with a wiki entry, that Deacon Frost has the ability to transmute matter. Therefore, he has absolutely NO way to defend against transmutation. Lemme guess, Deacon can make an anti-magic barrier against magical spells, to prevent BH from transmuting him into a pile of ash?

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, to try, pay close attention to this portion: You tried to get pedantic on me by saying "only teh humanz matter" so I pwned your ass with a rather simply "vamps are made from the same elements, sit down and STFU" counter.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A regular vampire compared to Deacon is like a low class mutant compared to Dark Phoenix.

No it's not. That's a bad comparison. Using a correct comparison:

A regular vampire compared to Deacon is like a Class 2 mutant compared to a class 4 mutant.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And BH's freeze attack never worked on anything other than humans, much less a vampire with La Magra powers. See, I am not saying Frost wins, I am merely saying that BH cannot hurt Frost.

Mhm, it is my opinion that magical spells will work on mutants. And at the same time, people were saying that Xavier's mind powers will work on wizards.

Mutants can be killed with a bullet, with a knife, Vampires cannot. Unless it is a UV round or silver, dependiing on the franchise.

Well then what makes your opinion so different from everyone else who says that it's their opinion that he can? We never seen wizards fight mutants so we can't say they can hurt them or their spells will work on them. We never see BH freeze something non human so we can't say that it'll work on them. They seem like the same thing.

Also allow me to correct you, mutants with human durability can be killed with a bullet or a knife. You can not shoot or kill Juggernaut, Wolverine, Sabertooth, Colossus or Iceman with a bullet or a knife. Lady Deathstrike too. Also if you decapitate a vampire then they can be killed. Blade was cutting them to pieces left and right.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No it's not. That's a bad comparison. Using a correct comparison:

A regular vampire compared to Deacon is like a Class 2 mutant compared to a class 4 mutant.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That has nothing to do with it. From your point of view we can just shut the MVF down. There's hardly any thread where we can't just use the same argument you try to use.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, no proof then? Thought not.

You only quoted my words.

And, there proof was seen onscreen. You chosing to ignore it is not my fault.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nice try.

BH's powers worked on humans only.

Frost aint human.

Get it? 😄

No room for scientific debate here, what happened or didnt happen onscreen is what we use here.

You realise that this kind of argument kills pretty much every thread that involves characters from different sci-fi/fantasy films

The HP vs SW threads would end abruptly by saying "A Jedi is never shown killing a wizard so they can't and a wizard is never shown killing a Jedi so they can't"

Originally posted by jaden101
You realise that this kind of argument kills pretty much every thread that involves characters from different sci-fi/fantasy films

The HP vs SW threads would end abruptly by saying "A Jedi is never shown killing a wizard so they can't and a wizard is never shown killing a Jedi so they can't"

Vampires are no longer human, they are changed in almost every way.

Originally posted by jaden101
You realise that this kind of argument kills pretty much every thread that involves characters from different sci-fi/fantasy films

The HP vs SW threads would end abruptly by saying "A Jedi is never shown killing a wizard so they can't and a wizard is never shown killing a Jedi so they can't"

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

RJ knows why I'm laughing, and it doesn't have anything to do with you, specifically, but rather what you said.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Vampires are no longer human, they are changed in almost every way.

Incorrect. Vampires are changed in very few ways. In fact, they can fit on your hands.

They are similiar in almost every single way.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect. Vampires are changed in very few ways. In fact, they can fit on your hands.

They are similiar in almost every single way.

Super speed, agility, regen that makes Logan jealous, immortality...But yeah, they're the same 🙄