Deacon Frost versus Blackheart.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah except for:

Super speed, agility, regen that makes Logan jealous, immortality...But yeah, they're the same 🙄

Actually, their regen is much slower than James'.

You're also forgetting the weaknesses that it gives them, as well: Can't be in artificial or real sunlight or it kills them, they have to get an external source of blood cause their body fails, they have an insatiable appetite for blood that causes them to harm people they don't want to, sometimes, etc.

So, you have a longer list of bad side-effects than you do benefits. awesome

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jedi and Wizards are humans with amped powers.

Vampires are no longer human, they are changed in almost every way.

Since when have all Jedi been human?

Originally posted by jaden101
Since when have all Jedi been human?

I see what you did there....

Hottie Shak'Ti comes to mind...

Originally posted by dadudemon
I see what you did there....

Hottie Shak'Ti comes to mind...

I was thinking more along the lines of the green chick

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, their regen is much slower than James'.

You're also forgetting the weaknesses that it gives them, as well: Can't be in artificial or real sunlight or it kills them, they have to get an external source of blood cause their body fails, they have an insatiable appetite for blood that causes them to harm people they don't want to, sometimes, etc.

So, you have a longer list of bad side-effects than you do benefits. awesome

La Magra'd Deacon can walk in the sunlight.

😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dunno which edition of Blade you watched, but Deacons regen is much faster.

La Magra'd Deacon can walk in the sunlight.

😄

Ugh. A strawman.

Read below:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Vampires are no longer human, they are changed in almost every way.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect. Vampires are changed in very few ways. In fact, they can fit on your hands.

They are similiar in almost every single way.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah except for:

Super speed, agility, regen that makes Logan jealous, immortality...But yeah, they're the same 🙄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, their regen is much slower than James'.

You're also forgetting the weaknesses that it gives them, as well: Can't be in artificial or real sunlight or it kills them, they have to get an external source of blood cause their body fails, they have an insatiable appetite for blood that causes them to harm people they don't want to, sometimes, etc.

So, you have a longer list of bad side-effects than you do benefits. awesome

Magical spells!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by jaden101
You realise that this kind of argument kills pretty much every thread that involves characters from different sci-fi/fantasy films

The HP vs SW threads would end abruptly by saying "A Jedi is never shown killing a wizard so they can't and a wizard is never shown killing a Jedi so they can't"

Originally posted by Bardock42
basterd!!!

I see what you did there...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dont recall BH ever doing the "turn to ash" attack on anyone other than humans.

Watch the movie again. Blackheart's necrotic touch effected Ghost Rider (who has demonic powers that allowed him to survive being rammed with a truck and shot repeatedly), showing that his power can indeed harm mystical beings.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, how does BH beat him?

By using his poisonous/necrotising touch.

La Magra Frost was killed by an anti-coagulant. This is because for all his power he couldn't change his fundamental nature. He was the Blood God and so was effected by something that blood reacted to.

When Blackheart touches him, that eldritch poison will spread throughout his body. We know from on-screen evidence that the poison can harm mystical beings. Frost won't be able to recover from it as he did Blade's attacks because it's a mystic/chemical attack, not a physical one. He tries to turn to blood, the blood will still be contaminated, so he'll still die.

Effected Ghost Rider, yes, but it didn't destroy him.

Tha anti coagulant was designed with one purpose, blowing up vampires. La Magra being an uber vampire, of course it would have the same effect on him that it ha don a regular vamp.

The necro touch thingie, there's no proof that it does anything other than freezing it's victim, to imply that it somehow does to Frost's blood what the anti coagulant did is speculating.

Ws it ever referred to as "eldritch poison" in the movies? Also, at the end, why didn't BH use it on the Rider?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Effected Ghost Rider, yes, but it didn't destroy him.

Keep in mind that Blackheart wasn't trying to destroy him. He wanted Ghost Rider alive so he could bring the San Venganza contract. It was shown that if Blackheart wants to subdue the target rather than kill them he can give them a lower dose. He did this to both Roxanne and Ghost Rider.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The necro touch thingie, there's no proof that it does anything other than freezing it's victim,

It doesn't freeze the victim, it decomposes them. Notice how his victims' features turn shrivelled and sunken.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
to imply that it somehow does to Frost's blood what the anti coagulant did is speculating.

Who said it'll do the same as the EDTA? The EDTA blew him up. Blackheart's necroplasm will reduce him to a pool of putrid, poisoned blood.

Not the same thing by any means.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ws it ever referred to as "eldritch poison" in the movies? Also, at the end, why didn't BH use it on the Rider?

Admittedly no. However it is referred to as such in the novel.

I know, I know, not the movie. However there's nothing in the novel to contradict how Blackheart's power works. Even going by just the movie, it certainly behaves like a poison. Notice how it spreads through the victim's body.

As to why he didn't use it in the climax, I assume he wasn't thinking clearly as he was too focused on getting the contract.

I kinda lost interest in this thread, no offense haermm It'd be a good fight though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I kinda lost interest in this thread, no offense haermm It'd be a good fight though.

Fair enough, none taken.

And yes, it would be a good fight.

Maybe a more uber vamp would make it even moreso.

Yeah, we already established that BH is using some sort of transmuting magic...and is indestructable to anything but The Penance Stare. There's no way Deacon would ever beat BH. Even if BH could only transmute a little bit of Deacon's flesh at a time, it'd still happen and, eventually, Deacon would get his ash kicked. (Yes, I spelled it "ash" on purpose.)

Now BH has magical spells crylaugh

The depths and lengths you sink to/resort to in order to win never cease to amaze me.

Nothing was established. You cannot prove it was "magic", you cannot prove what blinky said, it's all heresay and speculation, you cannot even prove that Frost's regen will NOT be able to counter the freeze thing.

Let it go, man. Or not, done here.

OK look, BH has chances to use his freeze attack on GR:

YouTube video

Why didn't he? Because GR is not human.

Probably because he knew GR was a mystical being like him, and it wouldn't work, just like it wouldn't work on the elemental angels/demons. And if they're at least partially following 616, nothing like that could even slow GR down much anyway.

Point is it was only shown working on 100% humans, it was never shown working on vampires, who are like, not human. Comparing Blades anti coagulant to BH's freeze attack is silly, they are nothing alike.