His powers coming from his mind does not mean he can call upon these powers as quickly as his brain can calculate. As weh ave seen in the anime and cartoons his eyes light up, he concentrates for moments at time to get desired effects. Its shown to take concentration and more thna just a vague thought to pull off his powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont think M2 has mindraped anyone of worthy mension, also his brain is as quick as a supercomputer, but that does not mean he can call upon his powers or physically keep up with anyone just as fast as his mind can calculate it.
Quicker. He can because, whats a basic way to say it, his power IS his brain. Calling on his powers as fast as he can calculate it is what he does. He easily erased 34 minds and teleported them back to the original island while levitating his 25 pkmn to another island.
Originally posted by Burning thought
[b]IF Sephiroth can get off lightspeed against M2, assuming its not an ability that takes long to do then M2 is molten vapour, otherwise Kain just teleports and beheads the little dude. [/B]
O.o little dude? Hes 2m tall.... besides that IF shows you cant prove he can do it instantly. Again, fastest of the 5 in mental reactions. Kain wont get the chance without getting TK'd, or the split second Kain reappears M2 would evade it.
Cant team up on M2 with Samus backing him up =]
Originally posted by BloodRain
Quicker. He can because, whats a basic way to say it, his power IS his brain. Calling on his powers as fast as he can calculate it is what he does. He easily erased 34 minds and teleported them back to the original island while levitating his 25 pkmn to another island.O.o little dude? Hes 2m tall.... besides that [b]IF
shows you cant prove he can do it instantly. Again, fastest of the 5 in mental reactions. Kain wont get the chance without getting TK'd, or the split second Kain reappears M2 would evade it.Cant team up on M2 with Samus backing him up =] [/B]
The fuel that powers his abilities is his brain but as I said, all his powers are not done at the speed of a super computer, thats how quick his brain translates info but that does not mean he can call upon his powers just as fast. M2 needs to concentrate for most desired effects. Can you show me him doing something impressive "instantly" as quick as a super computer? you wont be able to....
No I cant prove he can do it instantly, never said I could, I do not support Sephiroth merely use information others have said as food for thought. If the lightspeed is canon and it is activated quickly (likely since isnt Dissisdia a fighting game? moves in those games are usually quick to activate) then he can kill them.
evade it? split second? when has M2 moved so quick, he wouldnt even know Kain had appeared behind him or in his blind spot if he cant see him. His mind powers do not give him cosmic awareness or omnisicence. Kain can activate time powers to slow down his opponents, M2' mind would be slowed but more importantly he would be moving too slowly for Kain not to hit him. his only chance would have been to be lucky enough to have teleported as soon as Kain himself appears.
Can Samus fly? or teleport? if she cannot keep up with teleporters then Kain and M2 could be battling miles away from the others.
Oh he stopped special attacks so he can stop plasma 😆 sounds like most of your logic....or should I say lack there of
Also lol I never said I was finished with that, I have not seen the plasma yet....it could be slow.
According to:
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam
Its short-range beam of intense heat that can be used to melt ice and weld metals
it being short range sounds like its worthless in this fight. Also evaporating mist wil simply spread it out and make more of it...hardly useful when Kain can go in and out of it at will. Teleport would have him quite easily away from her first shot.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The fuel that powers his abilities is his brain but as I said, all his powers are not done at the speed of a super computer, thats how quick his brain translates info but that does not mean he can call upon his powers just as fast. M2 needs to concentrate for most desired effects. Can you show me him doing something impressive "instantly" as quick as a super computer? you wont be able to....
When destroying the lab some things blew up without him concentrating on it. (note that was before he could control his powers) Stopping Ash's punch, the Gyrados' hyper beam and charizards flamethrower, not the fastest but shows no actions in blocking. Basically that psychic shield will stop Kain if his speed doesnt.
The reactions needed to counter kains teleport; imagine a person knows something behind them, instant turn, M2 reacts faster then a person and would not use his body to defend but his mental powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No I cant prove he can do it instantly, never said I could, I do not support Sephiroth merely use information others have said as food for thought. If the lightspeed is canon and it is activated quickly (likely since isnt Dissisdia a fighting game? moves in those games are usually quick to activate) then he can kill them.
''TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from.''- just something i found.
Originally posted by Burning thought
His mind powers do not give him cosmic awareness or omnisicence.
Catching the bus. Nuff said.
Originally posted by Burning thought
his only chance would have been to be lucky enough to have teleported as soon as Kain himself appears.
A fast teleport, nothing hard about that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Can Samus fly? or teleport? if she cannot keep up with teleporters then Kain and M2 could be battling miles away from the others.
Simple logic for M2.... stay close to Samus if need be.
Can stop the plasma beam like hi did the hyperbeam
Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh he stopped special attacks so he can stop plasma 😆 sounds like most of your logic....or should I say lack there ofAlso lol I never said I was finished with that, I have not seen the plasma yet....it could be slow.
According to:
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam
Its [b]short-range beam of intense heat that can be used to melt ice and weld metals
it being short range sounds like its worthless in this fight. Also evaporating mist wil simply spread it out and make more of it...hardly useful when Kain can go in and out of it at will. Teleport would have him quite easily away from her first shot. [/B]
Clever, BT, but I see you're focusing on a certain incarnation of the Plasma Beam, which is not even the most consistent one. The Plasma Beam is better known for its ability to pierce enemies, rather than being a short range heat blast. Even with that, if we're using the most current version of Samus, which I assume we do, then the Plasma Beam no longer has a short range.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Pretty sure there was the fact that MewTwo beat an Alakazam in a battle of minds. And Alakazam's have an IQ of 5000. So, MewTwo can mindrape anyone in this thread.
Nah his best mindraping feats is prob controlling young children, Kain would be completly immune and M2 has no resistance against mind raping himself. Sephiroth has shown incredible willpower as well so M2 would prob kill itself attempting to go into the minds of either of them since its only practical effort is the minds of children and young women...
The allakazam was beaten by TK, hence the force that crushed his spoons.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Clever, BT, but I see you're focusing on a certain incarnation of the Plasma Beam, which is not even the most consistent one. The Plasma Beam is better known for its ability to pierce enemies, rather than being a short range heat blast. Even with that, if we're using the most current version of Samus, which I assume we do, then the Plasma Beam no longer has a short range.
Can you show the more "consistent" plasma beam? and its feats?
Originally posted by BloodRain
When destroying the lab some things blew up without him concentrating on it. (note that was before he could control his powers) Stopping Ash's punch, the Gyrados' hyper beam and charizards flamethrower, not the fastest but shows no actions in blocking. Basically that psychic shield will stop Kain if his speed doesnt.
The reactions needed to counter kains teleport; imagine a person knows something behind them, instant turn, M2 reacts faster then a person and would not use his body to defend but his mental powers.''TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from.''- just something i found.
Catching the bus. Nuff said.
A fast teleport, nothing hard about that.
Simple logic for M2.... stay close to Samus if need be.
Can stop the plasma beam like hi did the hyperbeam
Problem is M2 would not know if Kain has suddenly appeared behind him, he would be too slow to realise before his head is falling from the skies or he is trapped in a sphere of time and his shield stopping certain elements like Garydos' breath does not mean it would protect his soul from the reaver, has he ever had a sword or an object strike it? Kain could also strike it more than once, hell several times if he needs to during which M2 is stuck in a stasis of time.
If he stays close to Samus then he screws over his team mate as well since the time bubble of Kain covers a good 20 meters+ so he would have to be far enough for Kain to kill him with some stealth teleports. Kain can also technically go invisible and his mist form would make useful stealth, Samus and M2 would not automatically realise that a whisp of mist is Kain and start using their full powers against him.
Team 1 has 2 Tkers, each who can TK just as quickly if not quicker than M2 (minor concentration/hand movements) and could distract them while Kain, Kratos or any one of them get into range to destroy the opposing force. Assumimg Sephiroth has materia, the duo focuscing on Kain would mean Sephiroth has more than enough time to toss up some shields, maybe even a summon.