Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah his best mindraping feats is prob controlling young children, Kain would be completly immune and M2 has no resistance against mind raping himself. Sephiroth has shown incredible willpower as well so M2 would prob kill itself attempting to go into the minds of either of them since its only practical effort is the minds of children and young women...The allakazam was beaten by TK, hence the force that crushed his spoons.
Problem is M2 would not know if Kain has suddenly appeared behind him, he would be too slow to realise before his head is falling from the skies or he is trapped in a sphere of time and his shield stopping certain elements like Garydos' breath does not mean it would protect his soul from the reaver, has he ever had a sword or an object strike it? Kain could also strike it more than once, hell several times if he needs to during which M2 is stuck in a stasis of time.
If he stays close to Samus then he screws over his team mate as well since the time bubble of Kain covers a good 20 meters+ so he would have to be far enough for Kain to kill him with some stealth teleports. Kain can also technically go invisible and his mist form would make useful stealth, Samus and M2 would not automatically realise that a whisp of mist is Kain and start using their full powers against him.
Team 1 has 2 Tkers, each who can TK just as quickly if not quicker than M2 (minor concentration/hand movements) and could distract them while Kain, Kratos or any one of them get into range to destroy the opposing force. Assumimg Sephiroth has materia, the duo focuscing on Kain would mean Sephiroth has more than enough time to toss up some shields, maybe even a summon.
You really think that he would be immune M2 😬 And M2 he has no resistance based of.....?
Oh yeah Seph is a real puzzle for the supercomputer psychically enhanced creature, willpower or not. Wiped the memories of 30-50 TRockets, who where mostly adult men (because apparently age and gender effects mental resistance ¬¬ even if it was in large numbers...) Again Allakazam/M2 powers come from their mind.
Seeing as M2 beat Sonic who, by logic sense, can move and do things a lot faster then Kain can, yes he would know he was behind him. Catching the bus= knowing whats going on around him. Psychic shield > soul eater Sword (that has shattered in the past, info)
Didn't mean close like holding hands, as long as he's in range of Samus. Dont think either of the two would slip up by him going invisible/misty, her technology and his psychic should prevent that.
Show me some of team 1's TKing feats. The 'quicker' is something like a small TK movement, M2 wouldn't need to concentrate any more then they would. (even less) Oh yeah kinda forgot about Kratos... He must be cold on this planet `,`either way hes technically the bottom of the list of threats here.
'the duo focuscing on Kain' lmao. Thats more effort then needed to take him down.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah his best mindraping feats is prob controlling young children, Kain would be completly immune and M2 has no resistance against mind raping himself. Sephiroth has shown incredible willpower as well so M2 would prob kill itself attempting to go into the minds of either of them since its only practical effort is the minds of children and young women...The allakazam was beaten by TK, hence the force that crushed his spoons.
Either you are the best troll in existence or you really are that stupid. But which one is it? The world may never know.
MewTwo mindwiped everyone on the island so that they would forget the events there ever took place. This includes that Alakazam.
And yeah, the Psychic Battle was a TK battle, but MewTwo overpowered the Alakazam because his mind was stronger.
Dissidia is NOT CANON:
it was just a storyline to throw in to at least make it seem like all characters were connected somehow. Think about it, Kingdom Hearts. Was Sephiroth really the Heartless version of Cloud?
From an interview with the game developers:
-The "FF" series' characters which appear in this game already have their own stories but how will they be introduced?
TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from. However, we have designed it so that, as you get closer to the game's ending, there will be some kind of link you can see relating to each one of them. Also, although this is a different world and story, the characters will keep their recognisable personalities so fans can rest assured. (Laughs)
Another article didn’t reveal anything new except for one interesting bit at the end:
“According to Kitase-san, a sequel would be ‘very interesting’. Maybe it’ll include Kingdom Hearts characters then?
‘Basically, yeah, that’d be possible. Although we’d have to discuss that with Disney, of course…’ ”
If they have a sequel with kingdom hearts characters, how "CANON" can it be.....im just saying, your evidence for sephy being able to go super uber fast is shatty
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
From an interview with the game developers:
-The "FF" series' characters which appear in this game already have their own stories but how will they be introduced?TA: " Dissidia: Final Fantasy"'s story is not directly linked to the "FF" stories these characters come from. However, we have designed it so that, as you get closer to the game's ending, there will be some kind of link you can see relating to each one of them. Also, although this is a different world and story, the characters will keep their recognisable personalities so fans can rest assured. (Laughs)
First of all, nice copy paste argument, can't come up with your own?
Second of all, unlike what was said in that forum many Final Fantasies have been suggested at and shown by the developers how they link although usually one takes place 2000 years before the start of another. (For example FF7 and FF8 which is basically a precursor to Shinra)
Developers / designers even refer to the entire line of FF as the Final Fantasy universe.
Furthermore: When asked if Dissidia had any true relationship to the Final Fantasy series, he only said that was up to the player to decide.
(Also, I would like to see the true source of this interview)
And the Ultimania confirms it as canon.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You really think that he would be immune M2 😬 And M2 he has no resistance based of.....?
Oh yeah Seph is a real puzzle for the supercomputer psychically enhanced creature, willpower or not. Wiped the memories of 30-50 TRockets, who where mostly adult men (because apparently age and gender effects mental resistance ¬¬ even if it was in large numbers...) Again Allakazam/M2 powers come from their mind.Seeing as M2 beat Sonic who, by logic sense, can move and do things a lot faster then Kain can, yes he would know he was behind him. Catching the bus= knowing whats going on around him. Psychic shield > soul eater Sword (that has shattered in the past, info)
Didn't mean close like holding hands, as long as he's in range of Samus. Dont think either of the two would slip up by him going invisible/misty, her technology and his psychic should prevent that.
Show me some of team 1's TKing feats. The 'quicker' is something like a small TK movement, M2 wouldn't need to concentrate any more then they would. (even less) Oh yeah kinda forgot about Kratos... He must be cold on this planet `,`either way hes technically the bottom of the list of threats here.
'the duo focuscing on Kain' lmao. Thats more effort then needed to take him down.
Yeh, M2 has only experiance in entering the minds of young children or Pokemon, not nearly as clever or as resistant as Kain who at his weakest resisted a vampire who could control small armies of adults, some of them priests. M2 has no resistance because he has shown no resistance, when has someone attempted to enter M2 mind and control him? From what I have seen he is quite easily led, it took him a while to realise he was being controlled by Team rocket.
So his best feat against the mind is against defenceless humans without any resistance? I see....just for referance can you show me this feat please? and age "can" determine cleverness/intelligence, its unlikely Nurse Joy or Ash who are 11 or w/e have half the understanding or intelligence of M2 or powers. Also your sort of crushing your own argument because you claim M2 could overpower them just based on his brain speed.....
Again, yes thats a given but their powers do not just happen as quick as his mind can assess a threat otherwise things would happen beyond we could see or percieve as Super computers are insanely quick, there is no evidence to suggest M2 can activate powers this quick, merely that his powers come from his mind and that he needs concentration/hand movements to get them to work. kain would just move his hand and M2 blood would all rush to his head, killing him quickly....with Samus he could send it to her heart just to be unique.
Sonic who? a pokemon right, your not talking about Super sonic? and no, theres nothing among his powers that anyone has shown me so far that he would suddenly know where Kain is if hes not in sight. It took a temporal paradox to shatter the sword, its carved rock, vampiric metal and other vampires without problem and is rumoured by Vampires to be indestructable ,regardless this shield still has not stopped anything like the reaver OR its powers that affect the soul, not physical forces.
When have either tech or psyche allowes M2/Samus to instantly detect the invisible/weather entities?
Kratos being the lowest threat is true but he still has incredible strength, range in the form of lightning and arrows and can turn enemies to stone.
I dont champion Sephiroth, so I cba to find anything for him but for Kain:
And at 5:51 he throws a fully armoured knight onto a pike with a gesture:
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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Either you are the best troll in existence or you really are that stupid. But which one is it? The world may never know.MewTwo mindwiped everyone on the island so that they would forget the events there ever took place. This includes that Alakazam.
And yeah, the Psychic Battle was a TK battle, but MewTwo overpowered the Alakazam because his mind was stronger.
I think its just the one where you get frustrated because you cannot actually think of an intelligent argument?
Show me this....and specify, then again Ill also need feats for the Alakazam against his mind being raped. If you cant find feats for any of these characters or Pokemon of actually resisting mind control/wipe before against a foe lesser than M2 then Kain already has one over by far and wide. And mind control>wipe....
stronger at Tk, theres still no feats of him entering anyones mind yet.....
One more bit of info, the quote Master Yoda is trying to use to discredit Dissidia's canon status cam from Arakawa, who is lower on the Squenix totem pole than Nomura or Kitase, both of whom called it a true Final Fantasy.
This isn't even necessary, however, as the quote cam from an interview before Dissidia was even released in Japan, and in a later interview Arakawa himself said "We were careful to treat Dissidia as a genuine entry to the Final Fantasy series."
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
BT, when you accept that Link is a supersonic 1000 tonner and my baseless rubbish is immediatley correct your arguments will matter. Then ill actually make an argument myself one of these days and not make a fool of myself which I know you would love because my foolishness and lack of tact in a debate is quickly going from mildly amusing to downright boring! "shines screampastes ass"
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So I get sore then start to troll and do not read posts because I live by the good old saying "ignorence is bliss" then I continue to ignore feats and insult the people who best me and the rest of the Link lovers. Sounds typical. oh and zomg link is superonic and a 1000 tonner!
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Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh, M2 has only experiance in entering the minds of young children or Pokemon, not nearly as clever or as resistant as Kain who at his weakest resisted a vampire who could control small armies of adults, some of them priests. M2 has no resistance because he has shown no resistance, when has someone attempted to enter M2 mind and control him? From what I have seen he is quite easily led, it took him a while to realise he was being controlled by Team rocket.So his best feat against the mind is against defenceless humans without any resistance? I see....just for referance can you show me this feat please? and age "can" determine cleverness/intelligence, its unlikely Nurse Joy or Ash who are 11 or w/e have half the understanding or intelligence of M2 or powers. Also your sort of crushing your own argument because you claim M2 could overpower them just based on his brain speed.....
Again, yes thats a given but their powers do not just happen as quick as his mind can assess a threat otherwise things would happen beyond we could see or percieve as Super computers are insanely quick, there is no evidence to suggest M2 can activate powers this quick, merely that his powers come from his mind and that he needs concentration/hand movements to get them to work. kain would just move his hand and M2 blood would all rush to his head, killing him quickly....with Samus he could send it to her heart just to be unique.
Sonic who? a pokemon right, your not talking about Super sonic? and no, theres nothing among his powers that anyone has shown me so far that he would suddenly know where Kain is if hes not in sight. It took a temporal paradox to shatter the sword, its carved rock, vampiric metal and other vampires without problem and is rumoured by Vampires to be indestructable ,regardless this shield still has not stopped anything like the reaver OR its powers that affect the soul, not physical forces.
When have either tech or psyche allowes M2/Samus to instantly detect the invisible/weather entities?
Kratos being the lowest threat is true but he still has incredible strength, range in the form of lightning and arrows and can turn enemies to stone.
I dont champion Sephiroth, so I cba to find anything for him but for Kain:
And at 5:51 he throws a fully armoured knight onto a pike with a gesture:Show me this....and specify, then again Ill also need feats for the Alakazam against his mind being raped. If you cant find feats for any of these characters or Pokemon of actually resisting mind control/wipe before against a foe lesser than M2 then Kain already has one over by far and wide. And mind control>wipe....
stronger at Tk, theres still no feats of him entering anyones mind yet.....
YouTube video
at 00:13. Ignore the commentary in it, for your safety >.>
That takes out the 'only pkmn and kids' part. No resistance? No on has controlled him, no reason to why he doesnt know how to resist it :/ Took him a time to realise? Wakes up/first conscious moment, blows up lab, goes to rockets for a short while and gets amplifier, destroys that 😄 He knew what was happening, got pissed when at the 'not equals' or whtever and left.
''can'' or ''cant'' he did the same to all of them ^ so... Dont remember saying 'brain speed'
'Concentration and hand movements' Charizards flames, M2 didnt even move and they were blocked around him. (shield) M2 can create explosions merely by looking at an object. (lab destruction scene) For Kain to use TK on M2 it would come down to the stronger TKer, oh and its not the vampire.
Yes.... Sonic the pokemon ✅ It was stated here on KMC that Mewtwo destroys Sonic. Thanks for the sword info. The ''not stopped anything like... means he cant'' parts is the same as the tree falling with no one around. Just because something hasnt been seen, but is clearly in the potential to do so, M2s powers and the tree making a sound, does not mean it cant be done.
Not 100% sure on the effects of Samus' visor, hoping a bigger Metroid fan can fill that in. Every pkmn in the series detects when somethings wrong around them, think its referenced in the second movie. Average pkmn < M2.
Vid 1: He uses a glowing version of 'the force'. That feat can be done by M2 (and Darth Vader >w>😉
Vid 2: So he uses hand gestures and concentrates on the move?
Not sure what your asking from him, but the 'lesser' pkmn drowzee controlled eg; the same Pikachu, who overcame it. If you say controle>wipe and a low pkmn drowzee can contole them, that means that M2 can control minds `,`
Show Kains strongest TK feats besides the Sith strangle hold, be very disappointing if thats the height of it Doubt it can go near M2s power.
Btw this is only the 'mindrape', M2 can beat him in others ways besides screwing Kains mind over 😛
IMO, Mewtwo aint that great if you got psychic powers as well to help defend against it. No one on team 1 has anything close to Mewtwo's level of mental power and ability, however. Team one is destroyed but Seph may stand a moderate chance. He has some psychic powers, but Kain is a sack of brix tied to the legs of Team 1. He has weak psychic powers when compared to Seph and is far below Kratos in physical ability. Dead weight really.
Originally posted by BloodRain
YouTube video
at 00:13. Ignore the commentary in it, for your safety >.>That takes out the 'only pkmn and kids' part. No resistance? No on has controlled him, no reason to why he doesnt know how to resist it :/ Took him a time to realise? Wakes up/first conscious moment, blows up lab, goes to rockets for a short while and gets amplifier, destroys that 😄 He knew what was happening, got pissed when at the 'not equals' or whtever and left.
''can'' or ''cant'' he did the same to all of them ^ so... Dont remember saying 'brain speed''Concentration and hand movements' Charizards flames, M2 didnt even move and they were blocked around him. (shield) M2 can create explosions merely by looking at an object. (lab destruction scene) For Kain to use TK on M2 it would come down to the stronger TKer, oh and its not the vampire.
Yes.... Sonic the pokemon ✅ It was stated here on KMC that Mewtwo destroys Sonic. Thanks for the sword info. The ''not stopped anything like... means he cant'' parts is the same as the tree falling with no one around. Just because something hasnt been seen, but is clearly in the potential to do so, M2s powers and the tree making a sound, does not mean it cant be done.
Not 100% sure on the effects of Samus' visor, hoping a bigger Metroid fan can fill that in. Every pkmn in the series detects when somethings wrong around them, think its referenced in the second movie. Average pkmn < M2.
Vid 1: He uses a glowing version of 'the force'. That feat can be done by M2 (and Darth Vader >w>😉
Vid 2: So he uses hand gestures and concentrates on the move?Not sure what your asking from him, but the 'lesser' pkmn drowzee controlled eg; the same Pikachu, who overcame it. If you say controle>wipe and a low pkmn drowzee can contole them, that means that M2 can control minds `,`
Show Kains strongest TK feats besides the Sith strangle hold, be very disappointing if thats the height of it Doubt it can go near M2s power.
Btw this is only the 'mindrape', M2 can beat him in others ways besides screwing Kains mind over 😛
Your tactics are crude but you have an argument which is refreshing amongst the recent tide of fanboyism from the Luv4Link team.
Fair enough, youve proven he can affect adults although the video was horrible certainly the commentary and was not typically clear ill allow that. He wouldnt know how to resist it because theres no indiciation he has the technique, hes never had to protect his own mind nor shown any evidence that he would ever be able to so he is fair game for Kain to mind control/mainpulate. He is still controlled for a fair while by Giovani or w/e his name is, it takes him time to realise he has some actual will of his own.
But he knew Charizard was going to do it, Tk on the other hand is invisible, especially inside his body. He can hardly protect himself against blood manipulation, first ive never seen him able to manipulate inside his own body which would require very intricute Tk that Kain has displayed continually (as its the main way he mainps blood and drinks it) but M2 has usually shown Tk in the form of powerful force, e.g. crushing other physical Tk users such as Allakazam. Also lab destruction required him to concentrate, this was obvious when his eyes glowed, it took him a few seconds to bring his full strength to bare on the facility. Too long considering once Kain starts spraying his blood out of his body hes not going to be doing much but dieing.
I agree completly but M2 shield has never resisted soul based attacks, the shield from what I have seen is purely based on telekinetic force, not spiritual so its hardly going to protect his soul....what is your argument in favour of it doing so?
Can you show me this part of the movie please, so I can see. Also its still far fetched to claim a pokemon will suddenly know where Kain is or if he is mist or not....not when theres other destractions such as Kains 2 team members.
yeh Kain immediatley takes a target under his power of TK like he did with moebius but he uses his hands to direct his foe. In this case, it could either be M2 OR his blood cells. I cant see how M2 can survive his blood suddenly being sprayed throughout his body.
So pikachu was controlled and overcame this control? also thats not likely, M2 is far superior but the difference between power and the techniques to use it are vast, M2 has shown mind wipe, lesser control but hes not shown control over anyone who could technically resist it mentally. Also Pikachu has no psi powers and as far as I know, has very little understanding of it so its likely Drowsy is a very weak mentalist or it was PIS.
Thats prob Kains strongest in actual physical damage, Kains TK is based around movement of a target. Not in physical force, if M2 fires a phyiscal force, Kain grabs him in an instant to control his foe. Kains strongest TK is based in the fact he can control liquids/cells such as blood, few opponents have protection against this, even M2.
Kain is immune to mind rape as he has shown in his weakest form. But Kains other powers such as those over time, blood and souls are far more menacing.
Except MewTwo's shown TK so fine he can literally assemble working pokeballs from nothing, and control the weather across an entire planet casually. Kain's TK has nothing on MEwTwo's, your assertion it does is laughable, and the fact you continue to bash Link supporteres in a thread with no Link in it is hilarious. Need some ointment for that butthurt? 😛
Your getting bashed about and laughed at in other threads yet you claim I am butthurt because I find your 1000 ton supersonic Link amusing as well as your funny little band?
And none of those M2 that you just brought out of the air do not help him protect himself from being gibbed from the inside by Kains Tk, nor give him any defences against such a fate...try again....