Ganondorf v.s. Cloud

Originally posted by LLLLLink
^ Nice reference, Cyner.

Also, wasn't it made clear that the Master Sword protects Link from such thing as banishment and form-altering? That's why Ganondorf didn't banish or TK him.

It is what it is.

Also, Cyner, you get the Moon Pearl before the Master Sword, so there's no way to tell if its just that.
Not to say you aren't right, of course.

Omnislash!!!!!!!!!!!

lol ffanboys are funny

he has Supernova and it's damage is real.

Also, cutting through steel isn't enough to cut through Ganondorf, I'm sorry to say.. And even if it was, Ganon just holds Cloud still with Telekinesis at the beginning of the fight, and then punches him once. A single strike reduces Cloud to a substance similar in consistancy to soapy water. haermm

im pretty sure cloud can fight it, he did Twice already with sephy.

Sephiroth's telekinesis is A. Not as strong, and B. Dominated the entire FF7 party if I recall correctly.

There is no way to judge Sephiroth's telekinesis correctly if he has never used it to it's full potential.

So what do we do then? Assume it's somewhere around Ganon's TK or higher? Because that would be a no-limits fallacy.

It's not our fault Sephiroth lacks any real feats with his telekinesis.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
So what do we do then? Assume it's somewhere around Ganon's TK or higher? Because that would be a no-limits fallacy.

It's not our fault Sephiroth lacks any real feats with his telekinesis.

Seph can TK the universe and Cloud beats him, which must mean that Cloud is 9001 times better than Ganon. There's the proof! 😮‍💨

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Cloud beats the AC Sephiroth by Sephiroth's choice to disapear.

You HAVE to assume it's higher than what you guys are stating about Sephiroth already, Because his limits are truely not yet known. That wouldn't be fair to the other side of the story...

Originally posted by fortinbross
Cloud beats the AC Sephiroth by Sephiroth's choice to disapear.

You HAVE to assume it's higher than what you guys are stating about Sephiroth already, Because his limits are truely not yet known. That wouldn't be fair to the other side of the story...

LOL it's not his "choice" he just got stabbed a lot. If you were to get shot with a .50 caliber round from point blank range I don't think that after you got hit you could "choose" to "disappear". Seph got annihilated because he's a cocky punk. The end.

Edit: What Phanteros said
VVVVV

Here in debates we go by what they shown to do.

You didn't even watch the movie did you?
It even says in the books he did chose to disapear.
Heres the books
FFVII: AC Comentaries
FFVII: Reunion Files

Originally posted by Phanteros
Here in debates we go by what they shown to do.

Good point, But still...

Originally posted by fortinbross
Good point, But still...

I see what you're saying. Then technically he hasn't "Shown" any of his real attributes. Some are stated in the Ultimania Omega. Others in various books. Do those count though?

Originally posted by fortinbross
You didn't even watch the movie did you?
It even says in the books he did chose to disapear.
Heres the books
FFVII: AC Comentaries
FFVII: Reunion Files

I own the movie, I watched it just a few nights ago. He was outright defeated. Why would anyone who had the power people claim that Sephiroth has "choose" to "disappear"? What does that even mean? The only choice he had after Cloud gave him surprise buttsecks, was to choose his last words.

Read the book's i have posted here. As you may be aware the FF7 universe is very unclear about stating things in the movie/game.
As a result most of his attributes are stated in book's.

Nojima stated in The Reunion Files that his true intention was to get revenge and not simple kill Cloud.