Rocky vs Holmes

This is rocky from rocky 3 after his training from apollo vs Sherlock Holmes from the new movie so this Robert Downey Jr. The fight takes place in the same ring where Rocky beat Clubber Lang, In Rockys Corner is Apollo and in Holmes' corner is Dr. Watson, 15 rounds unless of course there is a knock out.

Who wins?

Since the fights in Sherlock Holmes are much more realistic than in the Rocky films (If you get busted in the ears (diverting your guard and attention to your ears, and take a bare-knuckle shot to the ribs, your ribs will break, etc), you need to specify which reality are we going for: the unrealistic reality of people taking haymakers over and over again and not getting knocked out, or the more realistic approach to fighting from Holmes?

Scenario 1: Non-Realistic

Scenario 2: Realistic

🙂 There ya go

Scenario 1: Rocky
Scenario 2: Holmes

Rocky is too durable to not lose in the 1st scenario, even though Holmes is crackhead quick, and can hit pretty damn hard, with the accuracy of a surgeon/martial arts master.

In the 2nd scenario, Holmes takes Rocky out permanently a few minutes into the first round, maybe even less than that. His skill and speed are too much for the Italian Stallion to handle.

Realism in the MVF?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the fights in Sherlock Holmes are much more realistic than in the Rocky films (If you get busted in the ears (diverting your guard and attention to your ears, and take a bare-knuckle shot to the ribs, your ribs will break, etc), you need to specify which reality are we going for: the unrealistic reality of people taking haymakers over and over again and not getting knocked out, or the more realistic approach to fighting from Holmes?

Rocky's ability to take unrealistic amounts of damage is his thing, so it plays here.

This is kinda like when Rocky took on thunderlips, wrestler vs boxer only slightly different this time around

Originally posted by Robtard
Rocky's ability to take unrealistic amounts of damage is his thing, so it plays here.

Kind of what I was thinking.

Their is no need for the silly 2 scenario thing. Unless some one is trying to invent a way for Holmes to win. That said Holmes can beat on Rocky 'til his hands break and he's exhausted at which Balboa dusts himself off and KO's Sherlock in a flurry of haymakers.

If Holmes can't beat Rocky using actualy technique and pressure points and such, he'll probably do something Rocky can't bounce back from, and especially since this isn't a boxing match, it's a fight, so Holmes has free range of his deadly arsenal. I say he takes it, probably by dislocating, or breaking something important.

Then he deduces that the reason Sylvester Stylone talks like that is because he got his ass beat constantly as a child, and ate away his tears in Italin Chocolate. The combination gave him the attempt at a voice he has now.

Originally posted by KingD19
Scenario 1: Rocky
Scenario 2: Holmes

Rocky is too durable to not lose in the 1st scenario, even though Holmes is crackhead quick, and can hit pretty damn hard, with the accuracy of a surgeon/martial arts master.

In the 2nd scenario, Holmes takes Rocky out permanently a few minutes into the first round, maybe even less than that. His skill and speed are too much for the Italian Stallion to handle.

I agree with everything you've stated.

Also, there's no PIS in this fight, so Holmes won't be pulling his punches to get more money bet on the match, like he did in the film. Like all vs. matches, it's all out. So, Holmes fights bareknuckle, and Rocky fights with gloves: advantage Holmes.

First scenario, Rocky cannot be knocked out. He wins, and his ribs don't break.

Second Scenrio: more realism means ribs will break, quite easily. In the last Rocky film, that dude's hand broke, so I guess Rocky tried to get a tad more realistic in the last film. Still, it's a very very fast victory for Holmes in a more realistic match.

Edit: Don't forget, guys, Holmes is much faster, and fights WAY dirtier. He will be doing eye gouges, throat punches, breaking knees, etc. He will deduce that Rocky has brain damage, and it's over...if he figures out the "sweet" spot to knock Rocko out.

Originally posted by Robtard
Rocky's ability to take unrealistic amounts of damage is his thing, so it plays here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Is it just me, or is Rocky gimped in scenario two?

He's not. It's actually letting Holmes use his full abilities whereas, the first scenario is gimping Holmes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He's not. It's actually letting Holmes use his full abilities whereas, the first scenario is gimping Holmes.

The OP was fine with no gimps on either side. It was one movie character Vs another, in an battleground that wouldn't favor either.

Adding a "realistic" angle where one character is certainly less real in terms of fighting abilities only gimps that character, namely Rocky.

Lets face it, Rocky is a shitty fighter/boxer as seen in the films, taking away his super-human ability to eat punches while making a stupid face is like taking away Harry Potter's magic.

Originally posted by Robtard
The OP was fine with no gimps on either side. It was one movie character Vs another, in an battleground that wouldn't favor either.

Adding a "realistic" angle where one character is certainly less real in terms of fighting abilities only gimps that character, namely Rocky.

Lets face it, Rocky is a shitty fighter/boxer as seen in the films, taking away his super-human ability to eat punches while making a stupid face is like taking away Harry Potter's magic.

But you're not acknowledging how Rocky is literally unbeatable in a fight. However, if we keep the scenario just both characters from their movies, when Holmes realizes that Rocky has ribs made of steel and a jaw made of lead, then he'll just pry his eyes out, kick his junk till he keels over, then kick him in the throat. All in about 5 seconds.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I wouldnt say shitty, he was just a toe to toe brawler until Creed trained him. He looked damn lethal in 3.

He was shitty.

Originally posted by Robtard
The OP was fine with no gimps on either side. It was one movie character Vs another, in an battleground that wouldn't favor either.

Adding a "realistic" angle where one character is certainly less real in terms of fighting abilities only gimps that character, namely Rocky.

Lets face it, Rocky is a shitty fighter/boxer as seen in the films, taking away his super-human ability to eat punches while making a stupid face is like taking away Harry Potter's magic.

1. No, it was vague. Cause, an umgimped Holmes breaks bones, knees, pops eardrums, ruptures diaphrams. That'd be a lame match up against anyone not like holmes.

2. Incorrect, it makes it more real to make things more realistic. Wait, why the HELL am I even having to explain that to you? And, Rocky isn't gimped in either scenario, it is ONLY a gimping of Holmes.

3. Incorrect, Holmes doesn't haymaker knock-out anyone, really. He just incapacitates them beynod the ability to fight. (Unless you want to count the opening scene where holmes knocks a bunch of blokes.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. No, it was vague. Cause, an umgimped Holmes breaks bones, knees, pops eardrums, ruptures diaphrams. That'd be a lame match up against anyone not like holmes.

2. Incorrect, it makes it more real to make things more realistic. Wait, why the HELL am I even having to explain that to you? And, Rocky isn't gimped in either scenario, it is ONLY a gimping of Holmes.

3. Incorrect, Holmes doesn't haymaker knock-out anyone, really. He just incapacitates them beynod the ability to fight. (Unless you want to count the opening scene where holmes knocks a bunch of blokes.)

-Holmes does this to normal people. Rocky isn't normal, in terms of durability (and thinking).

-No, this is the MVF forum, adding "realistic" to an unrealistic character like Rocky defeats the purpose.

-Again, to normal humans, who wouldn't be standing and continuing to fight after having a super-Russian pounding on them for 10 rounds.

(Obviously if Rocky were just a normal man, a person with Holmes' ability to hit weak-spot after weak-spot in a flurry wouldn't stand a chance.)

Originally posted by Robtard
-Holmes does this to normal people. Rocky isn't normal, in terms of durability (and thinking).

He's certainly able to keep himself from getting knocked out, sure. In that aspect, he's superhuman. But that in no way addresses pretty much everything Holmes does to the body.

Originally posted by Robtard
-No, this is the MVF forum, adding "realistic" to an unrealistic character like Rocky defeats the purpose.

lol

This wasn't about Rocky, ever. This was only about "to gimp Holmes, or not to gimp."

Originally posted by Robtard
-Again, to normal humans, who wouldn't be standing and continuing to fight after having a super-Russian pounding on them for 10 rounds.

He's certainly able to keep himself from getting knocked out, sure. In that aspect, he's superhuman. But that in no way addresses pretty much everything Holmes does to the body.

Originally posted by Robtard
(Obviously if Rocky were just a normal man, a person with Holmes' ability to hit weak-spot after weak-spot in a flurry wouldn't stand a chance.)

Right, cause that's exactly what Holmes did, in the movie. 😐

Originally posted by KingD19
But you're not acknowledging how Rocky is literally unbeatable in a fight. However, if we keep the scenario just both characters from their movies, when Holmes realizes that Rocky has ribs made of steel and a jaw made of lead, then he'll just pry his eyes out, kick his junk till he keels over, then kick him in the throat. All in about 5 seconds.

Also, Rocky showed his street fighting prowess against a younger and faster Tommy Gunn.