Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, BT can't make up his mind whether Blood Shower is a spell or Kain can TK blood cells.. Hm. Inconsistant arguments ftl.
errr excuse me? you seem to be getting confused. Theres a difference between Kain using Tk to drain blood from singular targets, usually for food but when thought outside the box for more offensive attacks. AND a spell that affects all those in the area....
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And thats only if he attempts the Tk version, if he uses magic then I doubt they have any possible resistant as afaik magic does not exist in Star wars except maybe ancient Sith magic?
Also what is the logic behind them defending themselves from it? technically the force is exactly Tk, its a special kind of control seperate.
Where does it state that Kain uses telekinesis in that video?
There are variations of magic in Star Wars, although all fall into the category of the Force through one relation or the other. It's hard to say if there is, or isn't magic, because it ends up with the requirement to clarify the definition of the word "Magic"
Manipulating the Force include among other things Telekinesis. The various invisible moves that Jedi and Sith preform in the movies and games are to a large extent Telekinesis and nothing more. This is all clarified in the "Jedi Vs. Sith" essential. In Episode III, Obi-Wan prove able to actually block Telekinesis. Fay during the Clone Wars prove able to with thought alone shield organs with it. When Anakin first practise Force Choke, he is specified to use it.
What logic, you ask. What logic is there in lifting an object by just looking at it? One illogical action can't be expected to be explained with logic when used as protection against another illogical action. Telekinesis is what it is. I am no Jedi, I can not describe how someone block Telekinesis, because I do not know how. I just know they do.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
What logic, you ask. What logic is there in lifting an object by just looking at it? One illogical action can't be expected to be explained with logic when used as protection against another illogical action. Telekinesis is what it is. I am no Jedi, I can not describe how someone block Telekinesis, because I do not know how. I just know they do.
Logic is in the eye of the logician
Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.
One cannot use one's logic to explain actions driven by others' logic.
Some awesome quotes from my iPhone!
None very helpful though, I'm afraid. My point is that Burning Thought asked what logic there was in what they are capable of doing. It's a paranormal activity, it can't be explained with logic. We know they do it, but we don't know how they do it. It's one invisible, intangible force blocking another.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Where does it state that Kain uses telekinesis in that video?There are variations of magic in Star Wars, although all fall into the category of the Force through one relation or the other. It's hard to say if there is, or isn't magic, because it ends up with the requirement to clarify the definition of the word "Magic"
Manipulating the Force include among other things Telekinesis. The various invisible moves that Jedi and Sith preform in the movies and games are to a large extent Telekinesis and nothing more. This is all clarified in the "Jedi Vs. Sith" essential. In Episode III, Obi-Wan prove able to actually block Telekinesis. Fay during the Clone Wars prove able to with thought alone shield organs with it. When Anakin first practise Force Choke, he is specified to use it.
What logic, you ask. What logic is there in lifting an object by just looking at it? One illogical action can't be expected to be explained with logic when used as protection against another illogical action. Telekinesis is what it is. I am no Jedi, I can not describe how someone block Telekinesis, because I do not know how. I just know they do.
it does not "state" it, is it relevent? I assumed it was Tk due to the fact his arm and hand movements as well as position are exactly the same as when hes using TK.
When I asked about logic, I meant how could a force created through physical means at a point be stopped once its already happend? its not like the force whrre you can lift one object, or push against another force user like in Star wars movies.
It is surprisingly relevant. Jedi react to Telekinesis, counter, block and override it. I don't know how, but the case if it is or isn't Telekinesis makes a big difference.
It's a legitimate question, but the truth is, and here comes Fay again: Fay reacted and protected her organs from invasive Telekinesis by Ventress. You, much like myself, can ask time and time again how it is possible to react and protect against an instant, invisible and intangible force, but no matter how many times we ask a question revolving it, there will still not be an answer.
You need to get your trails of thought that Star Wars Telekinesis is all lift, pull, push and crush out of your head. It is so much more than our common fictional point and grab Telekinesis. I can not give you the answer you want. Only the fact that it is possible.
ok....so that video was interesting....i noticed kain only could use "TK" to suck blood from victims that were chained to a wall, all the others he had to grab and/or bite them.
Galen doesn't seem like the guy to just stand there and let kain do that.
1. If galen is allowed his lightsaber then this is a no contest, but to make things interesting lets just say kain can defend against it
2. Galen has a plethora of force abilities that would wear kain down fairly easy.
3. Galen would conceal his presence until he had the jump on kain, because kain is no pushover, and would use the force to bind/subdue/hold/ or move him just in the right place before launching his attack.
Galen has far to strong TK powers to be pushed around
Also interesting Q'A u mentioning Fay, not alot of ppl know about her. Very strong connection with the force, so i doubt galen could use those techniques, maybe though.
and lets not forget about vergere making herself small to fight diseases, illness, etc...
i still don't think this should have gone 3 pages
I do not really think Burning Thought argued the fact that Starkiller could handily defeat Kain under the right circumstances. Him and I ended up just pointing at details. The only reason the thread has lasted is because of minor detail bickering.
Yeah, Fay is even lesser known than Q'Anilia. Yet, I often use Fay as an example when I end up in a discussion revolving how dangerous a Jedi/Sith can potentially be. Fay, Dark Woman, Darth Sion, Darth Maul and Darth Nihilus are my favorite examples when stretching towards the undervalued aspects of Star Wars and the Force.
But no, Fay is much more potent than Galen, so what she has done is not within compare for him. Galen is both young and inexperienced, while Fay has centuries to fall back on, not taking in consideration her abnormal level of connection to the Force.
Sadly however, Vergere is not a character I know by heart. I'm more into TOR and the Clone War, not so much into later dates. I only know her through her masters and apprentices and then only barely.
Afraid I will have to disappoint you. I have not spent a lot of time with Star Wars books. I have, however, spent a good amount of time with the various graphical novels and will be getting the TFU graphical novel next time I come by a place that has it. I like not having to try imagine scenery, lazy as it may sound, and concequentally enjoy graphic novels.
My favorite Darth Maul moment is him killing a Telepath by letting him inside his head. There is that, and him walking through Force Lightning.
And I do enjoy the occasional Quinlan Vos appearances as well, although I'm a little against him, not appreciating his whiny nature much (Until he got to his senses again)
hah yeh he is a little whiny, and a confusing character. you won't be disappointed with TFU graphic novel, i enjoyed it very much. you should check out some novels though, opens a world of star wars awesomeness. and also to get a real understanding of galen, if you want to, i suggest reading the novel. the novel is more accurate than the game, as far as canon goes