So Fay turning Ventress unconscious and giving her life energy to boost Obi-Wan vastly are just amateur moves, then.
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, its not amateur but its not that special either. Count Dooku for one was able to use the force to individually stretch Ventress' blood vessals. Thats impressive. And for the knocking unconcious thing Starkiller was able to wave his hand and send people to sleep.
Her ability to survive after virtually having had her chest melted is something that Starkiller could do anytime.
Well he did get stabbed in the chest, smacked the shit out of, thrown through a reinforced spaceship window and survived. Aaand apparantly he can survive imploding. Heck, Anakin survived having two limbs cut off and set on fire. Sion survived having every bone broken and having what seems to be ash for skin, willed on by pure hatred.
Besides, Sith aren't very well versed in the healing arts which its seems this and the last one are connected too, just like jedi aren't skilled in offence. So whereas Starkiller takes out a hundred droids in a single Force Wave Fay chucks some rocks.
Fay being able to protect internal organs from Force Crush is definitely proof that Starkiller is vastly more skillful with the Force than her, because he could do that anytime, right?
Being able to block inside of yourself isn't necessarily a big thing. And Starkiller pulling off a 'near impossible' technique of blocking FLightning against one to the most powerful beings ever whose Lightning has in the past disintergrated entire beings instantaneously is a better feat of power and skill.
I have not read all there is about Star Wars, but Fay is the only case I know of where one individual transfer its Force over to another.
As far as I know that has been replicated by Darth Bane, Darth Addenddu(sp?), Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, Darth Malak, The Jedi Exile and every single sith in Kotor 2. Luke may have done it as well.
Force Crush > Force Choke if you ask me, Ventress or not. Darth Vader has showed Force Crush in the past, so the fact that he choked Starkiller indicate either that he did not really try to kill him, or that he was on the lazy/underestimating side. Either way, for as long as Darth Vader used choke, he was not exerting full power = Saying it was Darth Vader and not some weak Ventress is irrelevant, since Darth Vader obviously did not give his all to kill Starkiller.
Or perhaps Starkiller was blunting his attacks?
Doubtful. All three of them have been shown to have a far greater connection to the force. Really if one wants to see amazing feats of durabiltiy one should look at Vader and Caedus.
Truthfully, Caedus has insane durability. Having his arm cut off doesn't even phase him.
As far as I know that has been replicated by Darth Bane, Darth Addenddu(sp?), Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, Darth Malak, The Jedi Exile and every single sith in Kotor 2. Luke may have done it as well.
heck no. i think your misunderstanding what was said. Transfering life enrgy via the force to save another life, not force heal, not using the force to keep someone alive, but an actual transfer of force life. never happened before. nice try though
Its fairly well documented actually, or at least the Darkside vrsion is- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Drain_Life
When Starkiller put his target(s) to sleep, I assume they were Force users? Otherwise it is just silly to put it in compare. Ventress may not have been a top leaguer, but she had a pretty solid mentality and she if nothing else was a Force user. Say what you want about Ventress, but mentally she is vastly superior any non-Force user.
Or have I misunderstood something?
Originally posted by Nephthys
As far as I know that has been replicated by Darth Bane, Darth Addenddu(sp?), Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, Darth Malak, The Jedi Exile and every single sith in Kotor 2. Luke may have done it as well.
Truth be told, I find at least four of those more powerful than Starkiller. Darth Nihilus and Darth Sidious obviously without question. But that is beside the point. Fay did not drain Force energy, she did not use Force heal, she literally gave Obi-Wan Kenobi more of the Force. She boosted his abilities and made him stronger than he had ever before been. She literally lifted his abilities, which is something I am not sure any one of the listed above have done.
Sure, it could be interpreted as healing, because she did heal Obi-Wan, but I find a significant difference between healing and empowering. Obi-Wan after having stated how Fay was so powerful said that for a moment, he felt just how powerful she was. He then continued with a jump he otherwise would not have pulled through and made it out of there.
My point is: Fay is no Sith. All the people you listed for your interpretation of Fay's move are Sith (Save the Jedi Exile, but she to my understanding went Grey/Dark in canon). Did you not yourself say that Sith are offensive while Jedi are not? So the fact that the Sith has a selfish equivalent, that however require a target and the energy given is based on that targets state, does not really make a difference in this case. Comparing Sith and Jedi in power is anything but easy, particularly when dealing with someone as close to a pacifist as Fay was.
When it comes to Darth Sion, yes, he is a very interesting case and particularly when we discuss durability, but lets face facts here: All Darth Sion has is his durability. His durability, strength and willpower. He may be an excellent thug, a handy goon to have at your side, but that is thanks to his one superior technique.
Anakin lost his limbs, true. Anakin was set on fire, true, but considering that a lightsaber does not make you bleed and that humans has survived being set on fire before, it is up to debate if Anakin surviving that really was anything special, or impressive (Given the healing technology at Star Wars disposal)
Bottom line: You can go on about how special various Jedi and Sith are in their unique ways, like Dooku's blood vessel move (Awesome move for the record) or Sion being able to managing keeping his body intact, but in the end they are just rare feats accomplished by rare people. When it comes down to it, what they have done is not something Starkiller has done and we are left with Fay again.
When it comes to Starkiller surviving his injuries, did he do it singlehandedly or did he get treated? Because Obi-Wan stated and Fay implied that Fay would have survived solely thanks to her vast connection to the Force alone and she had two lightsabers shoved through her upper torso (That's where the lungs and heart is, excluding the possibly pierced spine)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or perhaps Starkiller was blunting his attacks?
We have seen Darth Vader crush a head with so little as a grasp of his hand. In sheer anger did he compress that chamber in RotS. He has flipped heavy vehicles and flicked steel doors open. Care to tell me what you have to support your claim that Starkiller was blunting his attack? Because while Force Choke is a signature move by Darth Vader, it is also Darth Vader holding back.
We have seen Darth Vader not hold back, and when he has not, he has not been Force Choking.
Caedus was tortured by the Yuuzhan Vong and Vergere so pain became his friend. Jaina lopped off his arm and he still fought her. Caedus fought Jaina despite the fact he had a lightsaber wound through the chest. Starkiller aka Galen Marek was tortured by Vader during his training. So Starkiller (Galen Marek) would be able to take a beating.
To blunt Vader's attack, Galen hit him with TK (canon btw).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Darth Bane steals the life force of 3 people when he's dying of poison in his first book. Seriously, look it up.
they never gave it to him. i never said that you couldn't take life from someone, that a given. Kyle Katarn did it easily enough.
I said that people can't give their life via the force willingly. the only reference has been Fay.
I don't need to look up info on characters i already know about. i have read and re-read the bane trilogy just like i have every other star wars book.
again i wasn't referring that people couldn't take a life using the force to heal them or whatever, but that a person hasn't given their life using the force aside from Fay