Originally posted by Maester_yoda
hah yeh he is a little whiny, and a confusing character. you won't be disappointed with TFU graphic novel, i enjoyed it very much. you should check out some novels though, opens a world of star wars awesomeness. and also to get a real understanding of galen, if you want to, i suggest reading the novel. the novel is more accurate than the game, as far as canon goes
Yeah, from my understanding it's Novel > Graphic Novel > Game in terms of canon. I hate the "more" and "less" canon stuff that is going about in the Star Wars universe.
Originally posted by Phanteros
The TFU graphic novel is a waste of time. Don't waste you money on it.
Depends on why you want it, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
It is surprisingly relevant. Jedi react to Telekinesis, counter, block and override it. I don't know how, but the case if it is or isn't Telekinesis makes a big difference.It's a legitimate question, but the truth is, and here comes Fay again: Fay reacted and protected her organs from invasive Telekinesis by Ventress. You, much like myself, can ask time and time again how it is possible to react and protect against an instant, invisible and intangible force, but no matter how many times we ask a question revolving it, there will still not be an answer.
You need to get your trails of thought that Star Wars Telekinesis is all lift, pull, push and crush out of your head. It is so much more than our common fictional point and grab Telekinesis. I can not give you the answer you want. Only the fact that it is possible.
Well it does not change the ability for Kain, if Kain manips blood/liquids with TK, then you think they could somehow block it? yet if its not TK, then they may not have any defene.
But do we know if Starkiller can do this or has any way of stopping it? surely a guy who has no previous knowledge or training in this defence could not suddenly defend himself?
precog does not help you hit first, it just means you know when the attack is coming, Assuming their starting off facng eachother and not miles away or out of sight, precog is going to useless in the first moments. Not that precog is perfect ofc, sometimes a Jedi/Sith simply cannot survive an assault, like with most of Kains attacks. Also how do you explain how all those Jedi were killed when Sideous initiated order 66? they didnt suddenly precog them being attacked and if they did it did not help them at all, Yoda is the only one who seemed to show any use of it and he is a master. Kain has far more ways to trick, decieve and attack Starkiller in comparison to clones, most in which he could not defend against even if he did precog it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well it does not change the ability for Kain, if Kain manips blood/liquids with TK, then you think they could somehow block it? yet if its not TK, then they may not have any defene.But do we know if Starkiller can do this or has any way of stopping it? surely a guy who has no previous knowledge or training in this defence could not suddenly defend himself?
That is my point. You are basically defending my point against me. If it is not Telekinesis, it is a whole different matter and not as likely protect-able against. But this is Starkiller we are talking about. The guy may be a prodigy and well taught, but such moves are out of his league. He is a little child with a big gun and is not even old enough to know how to use it properly.
But to answer your initial question, yes, chances are "they" could. By "they", I mean Fay, Dark Lady and Darth Sion. Potentially Darth Nihilus, but not thanks to the Force but rather because his state of being is not flesh and blood.
Starkiller is screwed. I have not argued that. Should Kain get a grasp of him with his blood draining ability, Starkiller is going down. He is not good enough. I have not argued or opposed that outcome, but truth be told I do not think it would even come to that. Starkiller is faster than Kain, among other things.
But with the risk of sounding like a broken record: It is a matter of circumstances, but Starkiller all things considered could and should win 7-8/10.
Q do you have an answer for this? is there any bearing on how clear and fast as well as informative precog is? obviously with the following examples among other Jedi who have died in Star wars, surely Precog is very flawed and does not give a clear image nanosecond by nanosecond of what is going to happen?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Also how do you explain how all those Jedi were killed when Sideous initiated order 66? they didnt suddenly precog them being attacked and if they did it did not help them at all, Yoda is the only one who seemed to show any use of it and he is a master. Kain has far more ways to trick, decieve and attack Starkiller in comparison to clones, most in which he could not defend against even if he did precog it.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_Force
Starkiller wins with about 1 Force Push.
I will start by saying this: Order 66 shamed Jedi potentials. Numerous of the Jedi that fell in the movie should have made it out of sheer talent. The Jedi Sidious struck down should not any one of them have gone down without a fight. He struck down the first two before the third had a chance to react. Mace Windu has proven time and time again that he is both fast and talented enough to intercept Sidious when he first attacked them.
Take Ki-Adi-Mundi for example. No Star Wars fan at their senses would approve of him being taken down by a handful of Stormtroopers he knew were hostile. Plo Koon is another, and while his death is up to debate, he too has merits to fall back on. Aayla Secura? Give me a break. Caught of guard? Sure. Shamed? Definitely.
Moving on to your question. Precognition is not flawed. It is a neutral Force and is not flawed or perfected as a force of power. It all comes down to the individual Jedi, but even Younglings master it. Like with every other type of vision though, precognition can be clouded. It can be clouded by trust, love, ignorance, anger and a number of other equations. Like with a lot of things, it is circumstantial.
The best explanation to what happened during Order 66 is that the Jedi Order trusted the Stormtroopers blindly, lowering their guard, lowering their senses. After all, in the mind of the Jedi only one thing existed revolving the Stormtroopers: They were bred to obey the Jedi Order.
Lets look at a few things in this fight:
1:32 would have killed a lot of Jedi during Order 66, simply for the sake of drama. Now do not get me wrong. I enjoyed Episode III and Order 66 was awesome, but it at the same time disappointed and I frown at a good amount of things in it.
1:40, if that part of the video is not sign of precognition at its finest, I am not sure what is. Immediately after, you also get a sample of Telekinesis against Telekinesis.
All-in-all, this video gives a pretty fancy idea of how peaked precognition can be, as does many Jedi battles. You need to know, though, that Jedi precognition is subconscious, passive. It is more a reflex than an actual ability, and with inappropriate distraction, reflexes can fail you.
Originally posted by No End N Site
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_ForceStarkiller wins with about 1 Force Push.
Not very constructive.
And it would take more than a single Force Push.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia???
Not very constructive.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaI didn't really mean Force Push, my bad. I really meant he would win the fight with a single use of The Force. Last I checked, the guy pulled down a Star Destroyer ship. Is there somthin' I'm missin'?
And it would take more than a single Force Push.
Originally posted by No End N Site
???I didn't really mean Force Push, my bad. I really meant he would win the fight with a single use of The Force. Last I checked, the guy pulled down a Star Destroyer ship. Is there somthin' I'm missin'?
Your post was not very constructive.
If any one move will win it for Starkiller it is either Saber Throw from behind or Force Crush, since he cubed an AT/ST. His Star Destroyer feat is irrelevant in this fight, completely and utterly irrelevant.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaYea, I understood that you felt that way. Just confused as to why it was not "constructive" in your opinion.
Your post was not very constructive.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaMy point is, if he has the power and focus to do that, all the while evading fire from a TIE Fighter squadron, I don't see why Kain wouldn't be thrown around like a simple toy. Guess I'm wrong.
If any one move will win it for Starkiller it is either Saber Throw from behind or Force Crush, since he cubed an AT/ST. His Star Destroyer feat is irrelevant in this fight, completely and utterly irrelevant.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Yea, I understood that you felt that way. Just confused as to why it was not "constructive" in your opinion.My point is, if he has the power and focus to do that, all the while evading fire from a TIE Fighter squadron, I don't see why Kain wouldn't be thrown around like a simple toy. Guess I'm wrong.
You posted a link and a vague argument. I do not find that very constructive, especially since Starkiller never was our common personification of the Dark side of the Force.
Kain would be thrown like a toy by Jedi far lesser than Starkiller. There are Younglings/Padawans that would throw him around like a rag-doll. He is not very heavy.
The thing with Starkiller and people arguing in his favor, something that bothers me, is his Star Destroyer feat. People look at Starkiller and thinks "He brought down a Star Destroyer, he is a God among ants" without looking at the whole picture. Many ignore the fact that he cubed an AT/ST, despite the fact that in a versus, that feat is so much more useful.
In a versus, I much rather use his Farsight, his ability to dismantling his Lightsaber, his repulse ability, his Force Lightning and various other abilities. The fact that he pulled a Star Destroyer down from the sky shine so greatly among his feats, that people tend to forget what really makes a Jedi win a battle.
Many that debate for Starkiller and others, would not make good Jedi, because all they think about is his awesome raw power.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master. 131
Only a master of evil, Prime