Sentry vs Thor

Originally posted by tkitna
All you people are getting your panties in an uproar over nothing. When I say lets wait and see what happens later, thats not me questioning Sentrys or Thors powersets, thats me stating that a fight never even happened in the first place for this debate to even exist.

Thor being tackled and then knocking the Sentry away isnt anything, but yet everybody jumped on the bandwagon that the Sentry isnt this all powerful person that we saw in Dark Avengers 12 because of it. Its typical and as I said, I expected it from this board.

Truthfully, Sentry should be able to just wish thor away and that would be the end of it, but that doesnt make for good comic stories now does it? We all know thats not going to happen so the Sentry is in a no win situation. Even if he beat up Thor the members around here would use that as a negative stating that he wasnt as all powerful as we said he was. I'm used to it and i'm prepared for it.

What the hell have the Sentry fans being doing since DA #12? Getting their panties in a bunch over one, small showing. Sentry has an embarassing showing and the Sentry fans are whining saying it was nothing, but when he does something like beat Molecule Man, they can't shut up about it.

Don't believe me? Go over to Herochat and see for yourself. The Sentry fans have become insufferable.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What the hell have the Sentry fans being doing since DA #12? Getting their panties in a bunch over one, small showing. Sentry has an embarassing showing and the Sentry fans are whining saying it was nothing, but when he does something like beat Molecule Man, they can't shut up about it.

Don't believe me? Go over to Herochat and see for yourself. The Sentry fans have become insufferable.

If you can't deal with them over here please keep it to yourself. Secondly, It's a huge feat while most of his other lower showings are due to his fear of losing control and holding back.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
as to "how" he returns, I have no idea. Some more of bendis' craziness. mind-control, HAMMER tech, whatever. However my reasoning is because in siege 1 osborn says the backup for the avengers allows them to fight on an equal level with asgard. He later clarifies by saying

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"exactly" on their level

. however osborn also makes clear that the avengers have to be the one to win it, as if winning the battle with the secret backup would somehow taint the victory in a particular fashion. Also

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Loki in particular seemed to want no part of the secret weapon when Osborn was confronting Doom in the cabal meeting. logically i'm guessing it's asgardian-related, so perhaps it's Odin or the true Destroyer armor. However doom has his own version of the armor running around in Thor so that would be anti-climatic.

the only thing that i can see putting this into doubt is if the sentry is revealed somehow to be beyonder or a cube being or whatever. If they do that, then how he inevitbly loses to thor will just add to the general bendis craziness.

Huh.

I suppose that's possible, though I'm not sold on the idea. Though if they truly mean "exactly on that level", it would make more sense for them to use

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Bor.

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Odin

Originally posted by quanchi112
First off no one over here cares about another board or what they are doing over there.

If you can't deal with them over here please keep it to yourself. Secondly, It's a huge feat while most of his other lower showings are due to his fear of losing control and holding back.

it's just a bit absurd though. I can accept it as a high-end feat for sentry but what is the point of having all these preparations for invading asgard if sentry can disperse molecule man himself? How will thor have any chance against someone like that. yet thor will win.

it also cheapens the secret backup that osborn has. unless osborn's backup is the beyonder...so far it's implicit that the secret backup is > sentry, and anything less than beyonder will just add to the absurdity, yet we have osborn saying that the secret backup levels the playing field with the asgardians.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Huh.

I suppose that's possible, though I'm not sold on the idea. Though if they truly mean "exactly on that level", it would make more sense for them to use

Spoiler:
Bor.

I don't know how they could revive

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Odin

, but with the other choice, it seems far more plausible, especially if Loki is involved.

true, but with

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Bor.

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Odin he's been dead for a couple of years

At this point i always am prepared that for marvel, shock value> logical story sense

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
it's just a bit absurd though. I can accept it as a high-end feat for sentry but what is the point of having all these preparations for invading asgard if sentry can disperse molecule man himself? How will thor have any chance against someone like that. yet thor will win.

it also cheapens the secret backup that osborn has. unless osborn's backup is the beyonder...so far it's implicit that the secret backup is > sentry, and anything less than beyonder will just add to the absurdity, yet we have osborn saying that the secret backup levels the playing field with the asgardians.

When the Hulk fights Thor they mostly just trade blows despite the ease in which Thor could own him in any number of ways.

At the end of the day they will probably use their basic powers as most do in comic book fights.

Also it's not like Thor can't pull off some insane victory out of nowhere. Think about it, Dr. Strange effectively siphoned the Odinforce from Thor's body to repair Mjolnir and placed the power within the hammer itself. It's not out of the question for Thor to be able to tap into Mjolnir's power to perform some insane ass feat during Seige.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Also it's not like Thor can't pull off some insane victory out of nowhere. Think about it, Dr. Strange effectively siphoned the Odinforce from Thor's body to repair Mjolnir and placed the power within the hammer itself. It's not out of the question for Thor to be able to tap into Mjolnir's power to perform some insane ass feat during Seige.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because high or low end feats don't determine the outcome of 99 percent of most comic fights. I bet we won't see a godblast or these molecule resisting/control powers.

When the Hulk fights Thor they mostly just trade blows despite the ease in which Thor could own him in any number of ways.

At the end of the day they will probably use their basic powers as most do in comic book fights.

yes that's true but the issue now is that the fundamental basis of sentry's powers has been altered or "revealed in truth" to be molecular manip, as opposed to just being 1 time that he simply beat molecule man. if it were a 1-time high end feat like drax killing thanos than it would be alright..but in this instance it's beyond a simple high end feat because they have gone ahead to say that his powers are grounded on molecular manip that surpasses even molecule man's, coupled with the statement from moonstone or victoria hand or whoever that sentry's true potential dwarfs HOM wanda. That's a far cry from a simple "high end feat" a la drax and thanos or doom stealing the beyonder's power.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
yes that's true but the issue now is that the fundamental basis of sentry's powers has been altered or "revealed in truth" to be molecular manip, as opposed to just being 1 time that he simply beat molecule man. if it were a 1-time high end feat like drax killing thanos than it would be alright..but in this instance it's beyond a simple high end feat because they have gone ahead to say that his powers are grounded on molecular manip that surpasses even molecule man's, coupled with the statement from moonstone or victoria hand or whoever that sentry's true potential dwarfs HOM wanda. That's a far cry from a simple "high end feat" a la drax and thanos or doom stealing the beyonder's power.

Keep in mind that there are at least 3 different versions of the Sentry running around and they seem to be operating on significantly different levels:

Bob Sentry - Seems the weakest and most afraid of using his the full extent of his abilities due to the risk of losing control. Tends to fight on the level of his opponents even if they're substantially weaker than him. Most human of all incarnations.

Semi-Void Sentry - Appears to have come to the surface due to the Sentry's interaction with Osborn in DA. Seems to be slowly losing any concern about using his full power and has the highest feat so far via his fight with MM. Looks like he is slowly falling to the dark side.

Void - Mostly unknown at this point, but potentially is the most dangerous as he would essentially be the Sentry without any restraint or moral checks on his power.

To be honest, the Sentry has more in common with a character like Legion than he does Superman.

Except Quanchi, it's not just going on over there. It's going on over here and on other boards.

It was a nothing, and yet you all seem to think it was something.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Keep in mind that there are at least 3 different versions of the Sentry running around and they seem to be operating on significantly different levels:

Bob Sentry - Seems the weakest and most afraid of using his the full extent of his abilities due to the risk of losing control. Tends to fight on the level of his opponents even if they're substantially weaker than him. Most human of all incarnations.

Semi-Void Sentry - Appears to have come to the surface due to the Sentry's interaction with Osborn in DA. Seems to be slowly losing any concern about using his full power and has the highest feat so far via his fight with MM. Looks like he is slowly falling to the dark side.

Void - Mostly unknown at this point, but potentially is the most dangerous as he would essentially be the Sentry without any restraint or moral checks on his power.

To be honest, the Sentry has more in common with a character like Legion than he does Superman.

^ I agree. Sentry is probably going to be a character that if used in threads, will have to be specified as to what Sentry is being used as to gauge his level of power. Though I doubt it will matter for some.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Except Quanchi, it's not just going on over there. It's going on over here and on other boards.

It was a nothing, and yet you all seem to think it was something.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What the hell have the Sentry fans being doing since DA #12? Getting their panties in a bunch over one, small showing. Sentry has an embarassing showing and the Sentry fans are whining saying it was nothing, but when he does something like beat Molecule Man, they can't shut up about it.

Don't believe me? Go over to Herochat and see for yourself. The Sentry fans have become insufferable.

I dont read Herochat but I believe you. Hey, i'm a Sentry fanboy and i'll admit to instigating some too, but its all in fun for me. Sure Sentry has low feats, but most of them are for the purpose of prolonging the story. The thing that kills me though is how many people beat into the ground stupid stuff like Hercules kicking him in the nuts and so forth, and then shouting,,,,'See, I told you he sucks'. The one that kills me is when he and Namor tussled a little and although Namor was being dominated (and it wasnt like Bob was going all out trying to kill him or anything), people use it as a low feat for Sentry just because Namor survived the incident. See, it works both ways.

The MM showing is kind of a big deal in my opinion. That wasnt something like a couple of class 100 characters getting into a fist fight and there was a clear winner, it was the freaking Molecule Man. Even though he might have been depowered, we're still talking about molecular manipulation. Its a pretty big deal. I'm kind of upset that Sentry displayed those powers. If people thought it was hard to place him before in the 616 continuity, it'll be damn near impossible now. Its a real easy way to get rid of him.

If he killed him, and he did it while fighting the evil persona, I'd be more impressed.

btw, I wasn't suggesting you were a Sentry fanboy.

Even though he is.

He's not a annoying fanboy though

We'll see what Sentry's all about soon. he's got the Siege to deal with and a CCU empowered Absorbing Man.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
If he killed him, and he did it while fighting the evil persona, I'd be more impressed.

btw, I wasn't suggesting you were a Sentry fanboy.

Oh I agree with you. Owen did seem kind of meek during the storyline and we both know he's not dead.

Hey, the Sentrys my favorite character and I do take up for him way more than i should so its fine with me. I realize he has plenty of low feats too. Its not every superhero that gets knocked out by a talking building.