WW3 Black Adam vs King Hyperion

Originally posted by carver9
Let me correct some of this for you.

King hyperion got knocked out by someone who has colossus durability that was flying to him at 93000 mps and it was a surprise attack. 😕 That should have killed him along with anybody else and its even more impressive that it just stunned him.

Getting his neck broken by namora. First you have to know who namora is. This is the same chick that killed every being on her earth and that was stated as being twice as strong as namor. The same namora that beat her earths HULK to death. Yeah, I think she has enough strength to snap any high herald neck if given the opportunity and guess what, King hyperion grabbed his head and put it back into the right spot.

Stopping an asteroid. HHHMMM, well, since it was basically magnetized and was completely unstoppable and only could have been stopped by magneto himself, it was pretty obvious why king hyperion was trying to chip it and break it apart instead of just pushing it (which would have been pointless).

Gambit blowing King hyperion up. HHHMMM, well first thing, Gambit wasnt amped. Second thing, if you actually read the comic, Gambit had a shard of the mkraan krystal (do you even know what that is), charged it up, and stabbed king hyperion with it. 😕

He defeated his universe galactus, so deal with it and stop TRYING (didnt know what the hell you were talking about) to low ball him.

Should have killed anyone? Like who?

Alternate Hulk's =/= 616 Hulk. Not impressive. Although I'm kind of curious as to where she was stated to be twice as strong as 616 Namor.

Isn't every asteroid magnetized? Don't see how that increases its durability...
Only be stopped by Magneto himself? I don't think you realize that that doesn't make the feat impressive... Also, Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth (retconned to three). 🙂

He was't amped, but he had a shard of the crystal. Why contradict?
And, if you believe you didn't contradict yourself, then what does a shard of the crystal do for his attacks, and why is it impressive? 😐

Well, since alternate Galactus = 616 Galactus, he probably should have been able to look at the asteroid and destroy it. 🙂

Originally posted by Blanket
You never actually corrected anything in the post you quoted. In fact, all you did was explain what I said.

Should have killed anyone? Like who?

Alternate Hulk's =/= 616 Hulk. Not impressive. Although I'm kind of curious as to where she was stated to be twice as strong as 616 Namor.

Isn't every asteroid magnetized? Don't see how that increases its durability...
Only be stopped by Magneto himself? I don't think you realize that that doesn't make the feat impressive... Also, Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth (retconned to three). 🙂

He was't amped, but he had a shard of the crystal. Why contradict?
And, if you believe you didn't contradict yourself, then what does a shard of the crystal do for his attacks, and why is it impressive? 😐

Well, since alternate Galactus = 616 Galactus, he probably should have been able to look at the asteroid and destroy it. 🙂

😕 WTF

Show me someone taking a Surprise hit to the back of the head at 93000 mps. Zoom who doesnt possess Super strength punched wonder woman at light speed and she said that it almost took her head off. Mimic has colossus durability, is a 50 tonner and was coming at hyperion at 93000 mps. I dont even know why I'm explaining this to you.

It was stated numerous of time about namora and look at her fight with Hyperion; read what she say; then you'll actually know how powerful she was.

Answer this, why do you think monarch is so powerful? He didnt really fight many mainstream characters.

The asteroid can only be stopped by magneto. I dont care about your opinions. Magneto magnetizm was the only thing that could stop the asteroid so again, stop throwing it off as a low feat.

Do you know what the Mkraan crystal is? First thing, Gambit would have gotten killed if he just walked up to a healthy hyperion with that crystal in his hand. Hyperion paralyzed himself with his own cosmic blast and gambit came behind him while he was on the ground unable to move and stabbed him in the wound that HYPERION created with the crystal. Again, how are you using that as a low showing (being stabbed by the mkraan crystal)?

It doesnt matter if that galactus had 50% of 616 galactus power, it was a good feat and the thing about it is, he admitted that he took everyone on his entire planet in teams or one on one. He pulled a Superman Prime and a Monarch feat THREE TIMES.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 WTF

Show me someone taking a Surprise hit to the back of the head at 93000 mps. Zoom who doesnt possess Super strength punched wonder woman at light speed and she said that it almost took her head off. Mimic has colossus durability, is a 50 tonner and was coming at hyperion at 93000 mps. I dont even know why I'm explaining this to you.

It was stated numerous of time about namora and look at her fight with Hyperion; read what she say; then you'll actually know how powerful she was.

Answer this, why do you think monarch is so powerful? He didnt really fight many mainstream characters.

The asteroid can only be stopped by magneto. I dont care about your opinions. Magneto magnetizm was the only thing that could stop the asteroid so again, stop throwing it off as a low feat.

Do you know what the Mkraan crystal is? First thing, Gambit would have gotten killed if he just walked up to a healthy hyperion with that crystal in his hand. Hyperion paralyzed himself with his own cosmic blast and gambit came behind him while he was on the ground unable to move and stabbed him in the wound that HYPERION created with the crystal. Again, how are you using that as a low showing (being stabbed by the mkraan crystal)?

It doesnt matter if that galactus had 50% of 616 galactus power, it was a good feat and the thing about it is, he admitted that he took everyone on his entire planet in teams or one on one. He pulled a Superman Prime and a Monarch feat THREE TIMES.

If I went by what people say exclusively, then we wouldn't be in this pickle with Hyperion. 🙂

Because Monarch effortlessly beat people with feats, and effortlessly beat people who were slaughtering Monitors. Etc. Or maybe it has to do with him destroying a universe...

You don't care about my opinions... way to show it. 👆
You're right, I bet not even a Galactus could have stopped that asteroid. If only Mag's magnetism could have stopped that thing, then that must have made the thing unbreakable, or maybe that universe's asteroids are more durable, seeing as how Grey Hulk, and Thor have easily acomplished destroying one.

So, in a nutshell... you're admitting that you did contradict yourself? Or are you only subject to telling me things I already knew, or have never denied?

Right, it doesn't matter. Which means we have a nobody even knows what power level Galactus was on, how hungry he was, how he beat him, or even what the Galactus looked like (since some look different). Amazing feat.
He destroyed the universe three times?
And I don't know who uses that one issue where Prime effortlessly runs through an Earth in like 10 pages as proof. 😬

Originally posted by Blanket
You just showed me someone doing that... at twice the speed. 😐
And WW was awake. 🙂
What does being a 50 tonner have to do with anything? He wasn't throwing punches, he was charging at him.

If I went by what people say exclusively, then we wouldn't be in this pickle with Hyperion. 🙂

Because Monarch effortlessly beat people with feats, and effortlessly beat people who were slaughtering Monitors. Etc. Or maybe it has to do with him destroying a universe...

You don't care about my opinions... way to show it. 👆
You're right, I bet not even a Galactus could have stopped that asteroid. If only Mag's magnetism could have stopped that thing, then that must have made the thing unbreakable, or maybe that universe's asteroids are more durable, seeing as how Grey Hulk, and Thor have easily acomplished destroying one.

So, in a nutshell... you're admitting that you did contradict yourself? Or are you only subject to telling me things I already knew, or have never denied?

Right, it doesn't matter. Which means we have a nobody even knows what power level Galactus was on, how hungry he was, how he beat him, or even what the Galactus looked like (since some look different). Amazing feat.
He destroyed the universe three times?
And I don't know who uses that one issue where Prime effortlessly runs through an Earth in like 10 pages as proof. 😬

Being hit by someone at 93000 mps with colossus durability>>>a punch from flash. By the way, again, it was a surprise attack to the back of the head and it stunned him. Now again, show me someone taking anything similar.

Majority of monarch feats are from alternate universe heros and we count them as credit. It shows how powerful he is because of the people he took out but again, if King hyperion feats isnt accepted then Monarch and some of primes feats shouldnt be accepted.

The only thing that you need to know about galactus is that he was still one of the most powerful being in that universe and King Hyperion whipped that ass along with Surfer, Thor, the entire avengers, xmen, fantastic four, etc.... Everyone in his universe, he destroyed.

Originally posted by carver9
Being hit by someone at 93000 mps with colossus durability>>>a punch from flash. By the way, again, it was a surprise attack to the back of the head and it stunned him. Now again, show me someone taking anything similar.

Majority of monarch feats are from alternate universe heros and we count them as credit. It shows how powerful he is because of the people he took out but again, if King hyperion feats isnt accepted then Monarch and some of primes feats shouldnt be accepted.

The only thing that you need to know about galactus is that he was still one of the most powerful being in that universe and King Hyperion whipped that ass along with Surfer, Thor, the entire avengers, xmen, fantastic four, etc.... Everyone in his universe, he destroyed.

Are you blind? Did you even read what I had to say on Monarch? Ie, him beating people with feats? And him destroying the universe?
Also, I just said nobody uses Prime's feats from then...
😐

Was Galactus the most powerful being in that universe? How do you know this? Writer friends Carver?
K, well that settles that... the only thing I have to know about Hyperion is stuff that happened off panel, and that makes him a God with no limits (seeing as you didn't say how he was beaten, or who he had trouble with).

The only thing you need to know about WW3 Black Adam is that he was fighting about 20-30 people at the same time... on panel, with beings including a 5d Imp (Thunderbolt), Jay (Flash), Captain Marvel, Allan Scott, Firestorm, John Stewart (GL), Power Girl, Martian Manhunter, Guy (iirc), etc, and he wasn't losing... in fact, he prob would have won without Marvel's magic changing bolt. Even saying that the alternates were as powerful, he wasn't fighting them all at the same time, and the only thing comparing feats that puts him above WW3 Black Adam is the Galactus feat (although you'd have to assume Galactus would have to be really weakened considering Hyperion's other feats)... but then you factor in things from his past like tearing apart Spectre's face, snapping Eclipso's neck, etc, and it becomes a closer battle. IF you come to the conclusion that the alternates were as powerful as 616.

Originally posted by carver9
Being hit by someone at 93000 mps with colossus durability>>>a punch from flash.

Eh....no.

That can't even be compared tbh. Are Flash's punches all as equally as forcefull? Nope.

Originally posted by Blanket
What.
Not only does that not make sense (considering that the Flash's hands don't smash open, we can conclude that durability doesn't have anything to do with it, until it smashes open), but you're also talking about Zoom.

Are you blind? Did you even read what I had to say on Monarch? Ie, him beating people with feats? And him destroying the universe?
Also, I just said nobody uses Prime's feats from then...
😐

Was Galactus the most powerful being in that universe? How do you know this? Writer friends Carver?
K, well that settles that... the only thing I have to know about Hyperion is stuff that happened off panel, and that makes him a God with no limits (seeing as you didn't say how he was beaten, or who he had trouble with).

The only thing you need to know about WW3 Black Adam is that he was fighting about 20-30 people at the same time... on panel, with beings including a 5d Imp (Thunderbolt), Jay (Flash), Captain Marvel, Allan Scott, Firestorm, John Stewart (GL), Power Girl, Martian Manhunter, Guy (iirc), etc, and he wasn't losing... in fact, he prob would have won without Marvel's magic changing bolt. Even saying that the alternates were as powerful, he wasn't fighting them all at the same time, and the only thing comparing feats that puts him above WW3 Black Adam is the Galactus feat (although you'd have to assume Galactus would have to be really weakened considering Hyperion's other feats)... but then you factor in things from his past like tearing apart Spectre's face, snapping Eclipso's neck, etc, and it becomes a closer battle. IF you come to the conclusion that the alternates were as powerful as 616.

He was fighting second tier heros (black adam) and martian manhunter gave him a decent fight. Lets not even include the fact that Martian Manhunter almost burned his face completely off, he was shot in the shoulder by an arrow and his face was extremely bruised throughout the battle. Hyperions Cosmic blast>>>Martian Manhunters blast.

If you dont think someone who has the durability of colossus coming at you at 93000 mps isnt more powerful than someone with human durability coming at you at the speed of light then its pointless to talk about this. By the way, why are you bringing that up since IT WAS A SURPRISE ATTACK AND HYPERION DIDNT SEE IT COMING (not screaming at you, just want you to see that part), then the sad thing about it all is that Mimic almost died doing that. His body was completely torn and his actions was moot since it did nothing but stun hyperion.

What mainstream people did Monarch take out besides supes and wonder woman?

Why would the narrator AND hyperion bring up Galactus if Galactus wasnt as powerful as his 616 counterpart?

Originally posted by carver9
He was fighting second tier heros (black adam) and martian manhunter gave him a decent fight. Lets not even include the fact that Martian Manhunter almost burned his face completely off, he was shot in the shoulder by an arrow and his face was extremely bruised throughout the battle. Hyperions Cosmic blast>>>Martian Manhunters blast.

If you dont think someone who has the durability of colossus coming at you at 93000 mps isnt more powerful than someone with human durability coming at you at the speed of light then its pointless to talk about this. By the way, why are you bringing that up since IT WAS A SURPRISE ATTACK AND HYPERION DIDNT SEE IT COMING (not screaming at you, just want you to see that part), then the sad thing about it all is that Mimic almost died doing that. His body was completely torn and his actions was moot since it did nothing but stun hyperion.

What mainstream people did Monarch take out besides supes and wonder woman?

Why would the narrator AND hyperion bring up Galactus if Galactus wasnt as powerful as his 616 counterpart?

Originally posted by Juntai
Most of that is pretty laughable, but I'll only address a specific point.
Flash moving at light-speed has FAR greater mass than Collossus at
93k.
Greater mass, greater speed, greater power. By a longshot.

And we both come to a disagreement then.

Originally posted by carver9
And we both come to a disagreement then.

F=m*a Force = mass * speed

^ very true...
however the planet would not withstood that kind of mass.
I guess the writer wasn't giving too much thought on that

Originally posted by Juntai
You're disagreeing with scientific fact, son. More speed and more mass create more force.
Flash putting forth effort can make his mass akin to a white dwarf star, and he's accelerating at light-speed.
More mass, more speed, more force.

F=m*a Force = mass * speed

Gotcha. Well that makes sense.

Originally posted by Warlord
^ very true...
however the planet would not withstood that kind of mass.
I guess the writer wasn't giving too much thought on that

Originally posted by Juntai
Speedforce.

meaning it contained the mass around flash only?
however I don't remember it being explained.

I'm referring to the hyperclan battle

Originally posted by Warlord
meaning it contained the mass around flash only?
however I don't remember it being explained.

I'm referring to the hyperclan battle

Originally posted by Juntai
Speedforce aura protects Flash and the environment from relativistic effects of his extreme speed. He also can extend this aura around others[or objects], so they won't say.. have their neck snapped, when he picks them up a human and moves them.

I figured that out when he saved all those people at the burning storyline...ok let's say speedforce prevent earth to collapse under his feet then.

Originally posted by Warlord
I figured that out when he saved all those people at the burning storyline...ok let's say speedforce prevent earth to collapse under his feet then.

Originally posted by Warlord
meaning it contained the mass around flash only?
however I don't remember it being explained.

I'm referring to the hyperclan battle

It's DC's Deus ex machina. Allows speedsters to move at impossible speeds without the obvious negative side-effects.

Originally posted by carver9
He was fighting second tier heros (black adam) and martian manhunter gave him a decent fight. Lets not even include the fact that Martian Manhunter almost burned his face completely off, he was shot in the shoulder by an arrow and his face was extremely bruised throughout the battle. Hyperions Cosmic blast>>>Martian Manhunters blast.

If you dont think someone who has the durability of colossus coming at you at 93000 mps isnt more powerful than someone with human durability coming at you at the speed of light then its pointless to talk about this. By the way, why are you bringing that up since IT WAS A SURPRISE ATTACK AND HYPERION DIDNT SEE IT COMING (not screaming at you, just want you to see that part), then the sad thing about it all is that Mimic almost died doing that. His body was completely torn and his actions was moot since it did nothing but stun hyperion.

What mainstream people did Monarch take out besides supes and wonder woman?

Why would the narrator AND hyperion bring up Galactus if Galactus wasnt as powerful as his 616 counterpart?

Ecept for the fact that Flash doesn't have human durability, and the speed force protects him from such effects. Oh, and he's able to hit something at lightspeed without almost killing himself (Mimic). 😐
Surprise attack? Like Zoom hitting Wonder Woman while she has a blindfold on? Ya, Zoom, because Zoom was the original example, not Flash. 😐

Is that what I was arguing? Or was I arguing based on the feats angle?
Also, you just said Supes/Wonder Woman... 😐
Upgraded Prime as well (clearly shown to be above him).
The rest were alternate reality versions... with actual feats, not just throwaway names here and there.

Because it's a throwaway name with 'shock' value. It's meant to confuse people like you, and make you go Gaga (Lady) over the mention.
But from your response, it seems you actually believe that that Galactus was as powerful as 616, and as such, this makes me wonder.

Originally posted by Blanket
Manhunter got one punched iirc...
Also, all of that is aesthetic damage that didn't slow him down in the least, as well as I don't recall the arrow incident, and his face was bruised from Martians HV mostly as I remember it. He wasn't hurt all throughout the battle, he wasn't rocked, his skin was damaged, that's it. Also, second tiers? Second tiers in names only, as some of those guys are top tiers in power, and Thunderbolt... well, Thunderbolt is far above that.

Ecept for the fact that Flash doesn't have human durability, and the speed force protects him from such effects. Oh, and he's able to hit something at lightspeed without almost killing himself (Mimic). 😐
Surprise attack? Like Zoom hitting Wonder Woman while she has a blindfold on? Ya, Zoom, because Zoom was the original example, not Flash. 😐

Is that what I was arguing? Or was I arguing based on the feats angle?
Also, you just said Supes/Wonder Woman... 😐
Upgraded Prime as well (clearly shown to be above him).
The rest were alternate reality versions... with actual feats, not just throwaway names here and there.

Because it's a throwaway name with 'shock' value. It's meant to confuse people like you, and make you go Gaga (Lady) over the mention.
But from your response, it seems you actually believe that that Galactus was as powerful as 616, and as such, this makes me wonder.

Manhunter didnt get one punched, it stunned him but he was still in the fight and he lasted a couple of panels.

He burned BA face off, and if he kept going with the blast, BA would have lost. Then he had a arrow shot through him along with other thiings. I wasnt impressed by BA and again, he fought a bunch of second tier. If Superman or Wonder Woman shown up, it would have been a different story.

LOL, so I guess you didnt know that the blind folded Wonder Woman mastered her other senses that aided her in the lost of her sight. She was well aware of that punch coming just like she was well aware when she had to prove the the jla that she was still able to fight (due to her blindness). King Hype got sneaked attack at 93000 mps, so again, stop bringing it up.

So Monarch taking on both Supes and Wonder Woman puts him on Thanos level? The rest of the people that he fought was alternate versioin and I hope you dont consider the prime fight as being a genuine fight to use. Lets see what happened; Prime attacks monarch, wrestling him to the ground, monarch shoots prime with a couple of blast to get him off. Prime then flies at monarch again and monarch shoots him with a nuke, Prime is ok and then rips his suit. Nice fight.

Its not a throw away name, the narrator brought it up to let you know just how powerful King hyperion was and Hyperion proved it by taking on the fantastic four, Xmen, Avengers, hulk, and other heros at the same time without breaking a sweat and then he went into space and killed the brother hood.