WW3 Black Adam vs King Hyperion

Originally posted by carver9
Manhunter didnt get one punched, it stunned him but he was still in the fight and he lasted a couple of panels.

He burned BA face off, and if he kept going with the blast, BA would have lost. Then he had a arrow shot through him along with other thiings. I wasnt impressed by BA and again, he fought a bunch of second tier. If Superman or Wonder Woman shown up, it would have been a different story.

LOL, so I guess you didnt know that the blind folded Wonder Woman mastered her other senses that aided her in the lost of her sight. She was well aware of that punch coming just like she was well aware when she had to prove the the jla that she was still able to fight (due to her blindness). King Hype got sneaked attack at 93000 mps, so again, stop bringing it up.

So Monarch taking on both Supes and Wonder Woman puts him on Thanos level? The rest of the people that he fought was alternate versioin and I hope you dont consider the prime fight as being a genuine fight to use. Lets see what happened; Prime attacks monarch, wrestling him to the ground, monarch shoots prime with a couple of blast to get him off. Prime then flies at monarch again and monarch shoots him with a nuke, Prime is ok and then rips his suit. Nice fight.

Its not a throw away name, the narrator brought it up to let you know just how powerful King hyperion was and Hyperion proved it by taking on the fantastic four, Xmen, Avengers, hulk, and other heros at the same time without breaking a sweat and then he went into space and killed the brother hood.

If he kept going with the blast, he would have been one punched. And if by arrow, do you mean arrows shot by a GL?
Of course you weren't impressed by BA. He's from DC.
If Superman had shown up? Haven't you said that people job to Superman in comics? And focused primarily on BA as the story was, Superman would have been tossed around like the other people were. And WW would have been killed. It's like people only have to beat Superman in DC... and even for you, that wouldn't matter, since you hate Superman anyway...

Oh ya, WW was well aware of that the tons of unanswered blows were coming, from where, and exactly when they were coming. Just like she was aware that Batman was sneaking up on her, and stunned her with a double hand clap (while she was blindfolded).
Right, and Flash and Zoom both move faster than half of lightspeed... by a lot.

When the **** did I say anything about Monarch's power level? And when the **** did I say that Superman and Wonder Woman were defining feats? In fact, I said almost the opposite/little of these feats. Also, are you blind (second time I had to ask this question), of course they were alternate versions, I said that. But I also said that they have feats... something you ignored like a mother****er.
Ya, nice take on the fight (except it was upgraded Prime, and Monarch seemed to be more powerful)... and then Monarch destroys the universe.

It wasn't a throwaway example, and I prove this by showing the people who Hyperion beat that are nowhere near Galactus level.

Excellent logic. 👆

Originally posted by Blanket
He was done after the punch, and then started using telepathy afterwards.

If he kept going with the blast, he would have been one punched. And if by arrow, do you mean arrows shot by a GL?
Of course you weren't impressed by BA. He's from DC.
If Superman had shown up? Haven't you said that people job to Superman in comics? And focused primarily on BA as the story was, Superman would have been tossed around like the other people were. And WW would have been killed. It's like people only have to beat Superman in DC... and even for you, that wouldn't matter, since you hate Superman anyway...

Oh ya, WW was well aware of that the tons of unanswered blows were coming, from where, and exactly when they were coming. Just like she was aware that Batman was sneaking up on her, and stunned her with a double hand clap (while she was blindfolded).
Right, and Flash and Zoom both move faster than half of lightspeed... by a lot.

When the **** did I say anything about Monarch's power level? And when the **** did I say that Superman and Wonder Woman were defining feats? In fact, I said almost the opposite/little of these feats. Also, are you blind (second time I had to ask this question), of course they were alternate versions, I said that. But I also said that they have feats... something you ignored like a mother****er.
Ya, nice take on the fight (except it was upgraded Prime, and Monarch seemed to be more powerful)... and then Monarch destroys the universe.

It wasn't a throwaway example, and I prove this by showing the people who Hyperion beat that are nowhere near Galactus level.

Excellent logic. 👆

Originally posted by Juntai
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. The premise of the story was that Black Adam was on a tear and Wonder Woman and Superman and Batman -weren't- there to save everyone. And if they -were-, it wouldn't have been happening,

Originally posted by Blanket
But Carver wanted to insert Superman/Wonder Woman into the comic.

Originally posted by Juntai
As if the crew he was fighting wasn't beastly enough? Multiple green lanterns, manhunter, powergirl, etc etc?

That is how you cope with what BA did there.

Originally posted by Juntai
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. The premise of the story was that Black Adam was on a tear and Wonder Woman and Superman and Batman -weren't- there to save everyone. And if they -were-, it wouldn't have been happening,

When Superman was losing his mind due to Dominus' effects on him Superman had a robot army alongside him and wasn't as impressive as WW 3 Black Adam imo.

Originally posted by Blanket
He was done after the punch, and then started using telepathy afterwards.

If he kept going with the blast, he would have been one punched. And if by arrow, do you mean arrows shot by a GL?
Of course you weren't impressed by BA. He's from DC.
If Superman had shown up? Haven't you said that people job to Superman in comics? And focused primarily on BA as the story was, Superman would have been tossed around like the other people were. And WW would have been killed. It's like people only have to beat Superman in DC... and even for you, that wouldn't matter, since you hate Superman anyway...

Oh ya, WW was well aware of that the tons of unanswered blows were coming, from where, and exactly when they were coming. Just like she was aware that Batman was sneaking up on her, and stunned her with a double hand clap (while she was blindfolded).
Right, and Flash and Zoom both move faster than half of lightspeed... by a lot.

When the **** did I say anything about Monarch's power level? And when the **** did I say that Superman and Wonder Woman were defining feats? In fact, I said almost the opposite/little of these feats. Also, are you blind (second time I had to ask this question), of course they were alternate versions, I said that. But I also said that they have feats... something you ignored like a mother****er.
Ya, nice take on the fight (except it was upgraded Prime, and Monarch seemed to be more powerful)... and then Monarch destroys the universe.

It wasn't a throwaway example, and I prove this by showing the people who Hyperion beat that are nowhere near Galactus level.

Excellent logic. 👆

HHHMMM, so Black Adam one shotted the martian and lets look at that face melt.

http://img148.imageshack.us/i/33619708is9.jpg/
http://img151.imageshack.us/i/53321229ww6.jpg/

Then we have this arrow in his arm. I'm pretty sure Black Adams durability showing is much worse than Hypes.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9852/racerxwwiiib4p06hq7.jpg

LOL, at you getting Desperate. Just because I vote against characters doesnt mean I hate them. Superman or Wonder Woman would have made it an ineteresting fight against Black Adam and I could see either, possibly beating him. By the way, show me where I said that people job to Superman and even if Supes defeated Adam, it wouldnt have been a jobb since Superman has the powerset to take Adam out. I dont think that Superman could pull what adam pulled during that arc but I do think that Supes could drop Adam given the chance.

Wonder Woman was aware of her surroundings. It would have been pointless to let her go into battle if she was unable to know when hits was coming. I guess that also explains why she was able to lasso Zoom with her rope.

Why bring up Monarch destroying the universe. He didnt willingly do it, his armor was ruptured and he died along with the process.

Its not a throwaway, people bring up other beings that a person defeated just to let you know how powerful that person was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
To assume these three could have saved everyone on their own is speculation at best. the rest of the hero community banded together to stop him and succeeded.

When Superman was losing his mind due to Dominus' effects on him Superman had a robot army alongside him and wasn't as impressive as WW 3 Black Adam imo.

Originally posted by Juntai
Speculation? Sure, simply because it isn't what happened. That was without a single doubt the premise of the story however. Even in interviews with the writers they mention that the heros having to step up to fill the void left by Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman. Who would have otherwise fixed most of the problems in 52.

Originally posted by carver9
HHHMMM, so Black Adam one shotted the martian and lets look at that face melt.

http://img148.imageshack.us/i/33619708is9.jpg/
http://img151.imageshack.us/i/53321229ww6.jpg/

Then we have this arrow in his arm. I'm pretty sure Black Adams durability showing is much worse than Hypes.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9852/racerxwwiiib4p06hq7.jpg

LOL, at you getting Desperate. Just because I vote against characters doesnt mean I hate them. Superman or Wonder Woman would have made it an ineteresting fight against Black Adam and I could see either, possibly beating him. By the way, show me where I said that people job to Superman and even if Supes defeated Adam, it wouldnt have been a jobb since Superman has the powerset to take Adam out. I dont think that Superman could pull what adam pulled during that arc but I do think that Supes could drop Adam given the chance.

Wonder Woman was aware of her surroundings. It would have been pointless to let her go into battle if she was unable to know when hits was coming. I guess that also explains why she was able to lasso Zoom with her rope.

Why bring up Monarch destroying the universe. He didnt willingly do it, his armor was ruptured and he died along with the process.

Its not a throwaway, people bring up other beings that a person defeated just to let you know how powerful that person was.

lol at the arrow in the arm though. Doesn't make sense, but that's piercing damage for you.

lol at you for lol at me thinking I'm getting desperate. This coming from the guy who has dropped about two or three points already completely 'forgetting' them apparently.
I'm just commenting on the whole bringing up Superman angle... and commenting on YOU bringing him up. Also, you think Wonder Woman or Superman could have beaten him alone or with the team, because if it's the latter, then that adds to the excitement, but if it's the former, I can see people thinking that Superman could beat him (although, really not), but Wonder Woman? Seriously? wtf

Aware of your surroundings does not mean you're aware of every punch thrown at you by a guy vastly superiour to you in combat speed even without a blindfold.
Ya, she chucked rocks at him, and threw a lasso at the off guard Zoom.

Because that's a big part of why people think Monarch is so uber?

You're fitting the mould on throwaway examples...
Also, you ignored the part about you thinking this guy was as powerful as 616 Galactus. Well, do you think he was as powerful as 616 Galactus, and thus making King Hyperion be able to beat 616 Galactus?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't doubt that the storyline was meant to focus on the majority of the other heroes in these three's absence. What I do dispute is these three would have stopped BA's tear on their own or prevented it from occurring.

Originally posted by Blanket
They would have stopped it from occurring. They would have been like:
"Hey, you, Horsemen. Don't kill BA's wife/bro in law, ok?"

Originally posted by Blanket
Sorry, two shotted.

lol at the arrow in the arm though. Doesn't make sense, but that's piercing damage for you.

lol at you for lol at me thinking I'm getting desperate. This coming from the guy who has dropped about two or three points already completely 'forgetting' them apparently.
I'm just commenting on the whole bringing up Superman angle... and commenting on YOU bringing him up. Also, you think Wonder Woman or Superman could have beaten him alone or with the team, because if it's the latter, then that adds to the excitement, but if it's the former, I can see people thinking that Superman could beat him (although, really not), but Wonder Woman? Seriously? wtf

Aware of your surroundings does not mean you're aware of every punch thrown at you by a guy vastly superiour to you in combat speed even without a blindfold.
Ya, she chucked rocks at him, and threw a lasso at the off guard Zoom.

Because that's a big part of why people think Monarch is so uber?

You're fitting the mould on throwaway examples...
Also, you ignored the part about you thinking this guy was as powerful as 616 Galactus. Well, do you think he was as powerful as 616 Galactus, and thus making King Hyperion be able to beat 616 Galactus?

Dont blame me changing the subject, you did. Bringing up me saying Superman can beat someone against me. i think either Superman or Wonder Woman can solo Adam and possibly beat him. I'm not talking about them teaming up on him, I'm talking about one on one.

How can someone who is completely blind lasso someone without the aid of something else? Wonder Woman tuned her other senses which made her have the ability to fight on other peoples level without being able to see.

Well, if thats the reason why they think that he is so uber then thats stupid. The reason I see people thinking of monarch as being so powerful is due to him taking on numerous of alternate versions of characters and the way he got rid of them without breaking a sweat. Go to one of his battle and see what people brings up. Go to the Thanos vs Monarch battle.

I dont think that King hyperion is as powerful as Galactus but I do think that the power that he have would give him the win over galactus. He's kind of like Sentry, no matter what you do to him, you cant keep him down. He was exploded to little bits and reformed, got his neck snapped and he twisted it back into place and he had a ton of sand teleported into him and that did nothing but take him out of the fight temporarily. King Hypes durability was INSANE, along with his strength, speed, and cosmic blast.

for what is worth IMO Manhunter should have finished Adam by himself...
PIS kept him from doing it

Originally posted by Warlord
for what is worth IMO Manhunter should have finished Adam by himself...
PIS kept him from doing it

Originally posted by carver9
Dont blame me changing the subject, you did. Bringing up me saying Superman can beat someone against me. i think either Superman or Wonder Woman can solo Adam and possibly beat him. I'm not talking about them teaming up on him, I'm talking about one on one.

How can someone who is completely blind lasso someone without the aid of something else? Wonder Woman tuned her other senses which made her have the ability to fight on other peoples level without being able to see.

Well, if thats the reason why they think that he is so uber then thats stupid. The reason I see people thinking of monarch as being so powerful is due to him taking on numerous of alternate versions of characters and the way he got rid of them without breaking a sweat. Go to one of his battle and see what people brings up. Go to the Thanos vs Monarch battle.

I dont think that King hyperion is as powerful as Galactus but I do think that the power that he have would give him the win over galactus. He's kind of like Sentry, no matter what you do to him, you cant keep him down. He was exploded to little bits and reformed, got his neck snapped and he twisted it back into place and he had a ton of sand teleported into him and that did nothing but take him out of the fight temporarily. King Hypes durability was INSANE, along with his strength, speed, and cosmic blast.

I don't remember saying she didn't have other sense. I remember implying that her other senses weren't helping for 99% of the battle, though.

K. I'd say something, but it would have already been repeated by me about 10 other times here.
Ya, I'll go look at the Thanos vs Monarch thread... likely story.

The thing is, that that is pretty much the worst power to have against Galactus... He's stronger. He can blast you. He's more durable., He can matter manip you. He can BFR you. He can pretty much do whatever he wants, and if his strength is somehow enough to hurt Galactus... somehow, then he's got shields.
Also, the difference between him and Sentry is, that Sentry can reform instantly, and has other powers...
And what the ****, seriously? Hyperion would win against Galactus? Jesus...

Originally posted by Juntai
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. The premise of the story was that Black Adam was on a tear and Wonder Woman and Superman and Batman -weren't- there to save everyone. And if they -were-, it wouldn't have been happening,

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hold on.

Didn't work out as well as I planned. 🙁

Originally posted by Blanket
I don't change the subject. I bring up new points while answering the current ones. 🙂
Seriously, Wonder Woman? Well if Wonder Woman's strength was there (multiple heroes), or her speed (Jay), or her lasso or variant (Wonder Girl), the team would have won, or I mean, the Wonder Woman would have won by herself. Woo the Wonder Woman!

I don't remember saying she didn't have other sense. I remember implying that her other senses weren't helping for 99% of the battle, though.

K. I'd say something, but it would have already been repeated by me about 10 other times here.
Ya, I'll go look at the Thanos vs Monarch thread... likely story.

The thing is, that that is pretty much the worst power to have against Galactus... He's stronger. He can blast you. He's more durable., He can matter manip you. He can BFR you. He can pretty much do whatever he wants, and if his strength is somehow enough to hurt Galactus... somehow, then he's got shields.
Also, the difference between him and Sentry is, that Sentry can reform instantly, and has other powers...
And what the ****, seriously? Hyperion would win against Galactus? Jesus...

Reflex wise, wonder woman is faster than Jay. Jay garrick top speed is 2000mps and I consider Wonder Woman reflexes to be a little higher than that.

Wonder Woman is just as strong as that black adam, I dont know where you get the idea that she isnt. Even Martian admit that there are some on the jla that is stronger, fatser, and more durable than adam during that time.

Her other senses was always there during each battle. I keep repeating the same things. She was aware of her surroundings. You are about to make me start throwing out more scans to prove my case.

I dont think that Hyperion just went in and just brutally ripped Galactus a new a** but I do think that he tired him out during that battle which lead to galactus defeat and please dont argue to me about Hyperion defeating galactus; argue to the writers who put him on that level. It was stated throughout the comic that he was truly unstoppable and that he killed his universe Galactus.

Originally posted by carver9
Reflex wise, wonder woman is faster than Jay. Jay garrick top speed is 2000mps and I consider Wonder Woman reflexes to be a little higher than that.

Wonder Woman is just as strong as that black adam, I dont know where you get the idea that she isnt. Even Martian admit that there are some on the jla that is stronger, fatser, and more durable than adam during that time.

Her other senses was always there during each battle. I keep repeating the same things. She was aware of her surroundings. You are about to make me start throwing out more scans to prove my case.

I dont think that Hyperion just went in and just brutally ripped Galactus a new a** but I do think that he tired him out during that battle which lead to galactus defeat and please dont argue to me about Hyperion defeating galactus; argue to the writers who put him on that level. It was stated throughout the comic that he was truly unstoppable and that he killed his universe Galactus.

I said other heroes. And Martian's an idiot. Nobody there was stronger than BA that we saw in that scan/comic. The only one he fought that was, was in the regular 52 series and that was Thunderbolt.

I already answered that. Her senses didn't help her detect every single blow that Zoom threw, or even half of them. Or even Batman's sneak attack.

I will argue with you, because you're dumb enough to believe that Hyperion can defeat 616 Galactus.
The writers made him beat an alternate Galactus, not 616.
Following your logic. Thor can snap Sentry's neck, kill him. Thor can snap Hulk's neck, kill him. Surfer can one shot kill Thor, etc. All because it happened in an alternate issue, and they should be the same power level.

Nevermind the fact that 616 Galactus is stated to be different than the rest.