^ Specifically, Fantastic Four #571-73, entitled Solve Everything.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, it's not flawed logic. It's common sense. Bona-fide multiversal threat > bonafide universal threat.
To say that a multiversal threat is more powerful than a universal threat is flawed logic.That means Odin beats ig if you don't believe it's multiversal and if you believe all multiversal threats are more powerful than universal ones.
Odin is not a multiversal threat. Don't pretend that he is through self-serving equivocation. Odin can't threaten the multiverse with destruction without plot device. Neither can the IG. The UN can. And it can also recreate it. In a blink.
Originally posted by galactusischereYour account of the proof proferred is jaundiced at best. LT was never afraid of Warlock. LT's demeanor and tone ranged from nonchalant to bemused to authoritative to just plain condescending. He outright stated that he represented forces that dwarfed the IG. Which was amply reinforced by a single snap of his fingers, which undid Warlock's temper tantrum (to the bewilderment of an IG-wielding Warlock). Neither would their confrontation destroy universes, plural. They referred to universe, singular. Always singular. No throw-away lines in that issue to blow out of proportion.
How much more proof do you need?
LT was afraid to force the IG from Warlock because their clash would wreck entire universes.
IG owned the abstracts with ease(each pocess power enough to destroy a universe, I made a thread like this and everyone said that Galactus, Death, Eternity, Infinity could destroy universes under 5 mins)
IG has owned the UN which destroyed and restarted the multi-verse.
Incomplete IG>>>>>>>weaker UN.
Mr.masters also posted some cool scans that can further my point.
Trying to measure the IG's multiversal power by arbitrarily assigning universally destructive power to each Abstract it killed is comedy of the highest order. Especially when the UN literally destroyed and recreated every Abstract across the entire Marvel Multiverse in an instant. How can you possibly ignore this?
Oh yes. Because Magus beat Quasar. Because incomplete IG supposedly manipulated a small sphere of nullification energy. Sorry, but shooting a soldier armed with a rocket-launcher doesn't magically imbue your pistol with rocket-launcher+ firepower. And Black Alice manipulating the Spectreforce energies doesn't make her a multiversal being superior to the Right Hand of God. We know such conclusions are ludicrous because we accept that it's been undeniably demonstrated that, when standing in isolation, the rocket launcher and the Spectre have demonstrated more power than the pistol and Black Alice, respectively. Just as we know that standing in isolation, the UN has undeniably displayed power on a far greater scope than the IG ever has.
The only things those scans point out is the oxymoronic viewpoint being asserted, such that when a scan says "universe," it's magically transmuted to mean "universes" or "multiverse" through semantics.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Specifically, Fantastic Four #571-73, entitled Solve Everything. No, it's not flawed logic. It's common sense. Bona-fide multiversal threat > bonafide universal threat.Odin is not a multiversal threat. Don't pretend that he is through self-serving equivocation. Odin can't threaten the multiverse with destruction without plot device. Neither can the IG. The UN can. And it can also recreate it. In a blink. Your account of the proof proferred is jaundiced at best. LT was never afraid of Warlock. LT's demeanor and tone ranged from nonchalant to bemused to authoritative to just plain condescending. He outright stated that he represented forces that dwarfed the IG. Which was amply reinforced by a single snap of his fingers, which undid Warlock's temper tantrum (to the bewilderment of an IG-wielding Warlock). Neither would their confrontation destroy universes, plural. They referred to universe, singular. Always singular. No throw-away lines in that issue to blow out of proportion.
Trying to measure the IG's multiversal power by arbitrarily assigning universally destructive power to each Abstract it killed is comedy of the highest order. Especially when the UN literally destroyed and recreated every Abstract across the entire Marvel Multiverse in an instant. How can you possibly ignore this?
Oh yes. Because Magus beat Quasar. Because incomplete IG supposedly manipulated a small sphere of nullification energy. Sorry, but shooting a soldier armed with a rocket-launcher doesn't magically imbue your pistol with rocket-launcher+ firepower. And Black Alice manipulating the Spectreforce energies doesn't make her a multiversal being superior to the Right Hand of God. We know such conclusions are ludicrous because we accept that it's been undeniably demonstrated that, when standing in isolation, the rocket launcher and the Spectre have demonstrated more power than the pistol and Black Alice, respectively. Just as we know that standing in isolation, the UN has undeniably displayed power on a far greater scope than the IG ever has.
The only things those scans point out is the oxymoronic viewpoint being asserted, such that when a scan says "universe," it's magically transmuted to mean "universes" or "multiverse" through semantics.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Good point.
but you do know that the IG is the remains of the Nemesis right?
who before AE created all reality.
The problem with the IG... is that... each IG, only works it its respective universe...
and depending on the comic.. all realities.. is the 616 universe and all the little subverses.. like the negative zone.. shuma gorath.. dormammu realms..
other comics.. all realities refers to the multiverse.. ie.. 616.. 2000 whatever.. etc...
so was nemesis the guy prior to all of marvels multiverse... or was the guy prior to each universe (616, etc..)
try finding exacting on panel proof.. it isn't easy.. besides nemesis as shown in the ultraverse crossover.. is 7 infinity gems.. which makes him "whole" ... but if 7 gems is whole.. and each universe has all 7 gems.. then nemesis was not the creator of the entire multiverse imo, but a single universe...
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You still miss the point, CA Superman could see said Universe expanding and crush it from where he stands without knowing (or caring) what was happening.
Originally posted by galactusischere
hm..
Wasn't IG master of time and mind aswell?
Wouldn't Thanos know what Supes was going to do before he does it?
Or is Supes outside of hes reach?