Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

A few questions to my friend ODG...

1. First, you claim that the word Universe was mentioned numerous times throughout IG storyline, and thus, that weighted against few lines that imply more than one universe, tips the scales to be only universal....

A. You referenced Abraxas as being a multiversal threat, yet IIRC Universe (Singular) was mentioned far far more than Multiverse/Multiversal correct? So, using your line of reasoning.. Isn't it weighted then that this only dealt with one universe and not multiversal aspects? Note: I don't agree that saying Universe more or less proves anything, however this was your argument..

B. You also made mention that the Eternity in that particular story you believe to be Multi-Eternity. Yet, as shown by handbooks it appears to be the exact same Eternity is both storylines. In neither storyline was it specifically stated one way or another correct? So, why do you feel in the Abraxas story it was Multi-Eternity (never once referenced as such), yet in the IG saga you don't believe it to be Multi-Eternity (also never stated as such). Please explain the difference in what makes you believe one is (with no proof) and one isn't (with no proof)?

C. You agree that the 616 Universe is the foundation of all of Marvel correct? I believe you concede that point. You even used an analogy in saying its like a foundation of a building, and if you knock out this key piece, it can all crumble down (totally agree as its been stated on panel). So, my question is this.. If there was a time for Multi-Eternity to get involved isn't it logical that it would be when the Prime 616 Universe is threatened? Obviously Eternity knows the ramifications of such tampering and destruction of the 616.... Its seem much more probable the "main" Eternity would show up, NOT just the universal eternity you believed showed up. I don't think there should be any question that is the more logical line of reasoning to follow when NO specific reference of which Eternity is mentioned. If there was a time for the main Eternity to show up it would be when all of Marvel and all other Eternity's are threatened.

D. Your claim that the alternate Universe could in fact be a pocket dimension or realm or something else.. not a totally separate universe. However, as you admitted this is just an assumption not really supported by anything. So, my question is two parts.. First, if you want to be very literal when using the word Universe, and stand by it only being one universe in question... because as you say, it said Universe over and over again. Yet, when something contradicts a theory of yours you go... Well when they CLEARLY said Universe (describing the alternate universe Magus made) you then choose to go.. well maybe they meant a pocket dimension or realm. However, when talking about realms most all arcs are very clear to call them as such. I've never seen Mephisto realm called a universe it's called a realm. Writers use realms and pocket dimension all the time to describes things as such. Yet, you want to say in this case.. well Universe really meant something else. That seems to be a double standard that I would like to see your explanation of.

E. You also reference that certain people helped in the making of universes or changing of realities in a universe when using individual gems. We've seen one gem create or change realities in a universe. Your explanation well didn't warlock or such and such help in that. So, my question is.. When the UN remade the multiverse didn't Reed help in doing that? Does that somehow diminish the feat in your eyes? The UN provided the muscle but couldn't do anything without Reed or someone else using correct? Now explain to me how that is any different than Individual gems doing impressive feats with "some" help? Does having help disqualify both the UN feats or the Infinity Gems?

Hope your good buddy and I'm still pissed about you not sending me the chocolate chip cookies. Hope school is good bro.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Specifically, Fantastic Four #571-73, entitled Solve Everything. No, it's not flawed logic. It's common sense. Bona-fide multiversal threat > bonafide universal threat.

Odin is not a multiversal threat. Don't pretend that he is through self-serving equivocation. Odin can't threaten the multiverse with destruction without plot device. Neither can the IG. The UN can. And it can also recreate it. In a blink. Your account of the proof proferred is jaundiced at best. LT was never afraid of Warlock. LT's demeanor and tone ranged from nonchalant to bemused to authoritative to just plain condescending. He outright stated that he represented forces that dwarfed the IG. Which was amply reinforced by a single snap of his fingers, which undid Warlock's temper tantrum (to the bewilderment of an IG-wielding Warlock). Neither would their confrontation destroy universes, plural. They referred to universe, singular. Always singular. No throw-away lines in that issue to blow out of proportion.

Trying to measure the IG's multiversal power by arbitrarily assigning universally destructive power to each Abstract it killed is comedy of the highest order. Especially when the UN literally destroyed and recreated every Abstract across the entire Marvel Multiverse in an instant. How can you possibly ignore this?

Oh yes. Because Magus beat Quasar. Because incomplete IG supposedly manipulated a small sphere of nullification energy. Sorry, but shooting a soldier armed with a rocket-launcher doesn't magically imbue your pistol with rocket-launcher+ firepower. And Black Alice manipulating the Spectreforce energies doesn't make her a multiversal being superior to the Right Hand of God. We know such conclusions are ludicrous because we accept that it's been undeniably demonstrated that, when standing in isolation, the rocket launcher and the Spectre have demonstrated more power than the pistol and Black Alice, respectively. Just as we know that standing in isolation, the UN has undeniably displayed power on a far greater scope than the IG ever has.

The only things those scans point out is the oxymoronic viewpoint being asserted, such that when a scan says "universe," it's magically transmuted to mean "universes" or "multiverse" through semantics.

Odin has affected the multiverse before under his own power. You are saying the ig can't so by your own definition Odin is more powerful than the ig. It's as ridiculous as your double standard with the word universe thrown around.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Supes is outside of the universe, outside of the multiverse proper really. If you had paid attention its been more or less affirmed (though some refuse to believe it) that the IG is limited to its own universes and pocket universes therein. Superman would be out of the IG user's conception.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Universe was used in the ff arc. You seem to be using a double standard here and it's kind of nauseating.

Odin has affected the multiverse before under his own power. You are saying the ig can't so by your own definition Odin is more powerful than the ig. It's as ridiculous as your double standard with the word universe thrown around. If they are battling they are in the same universe and both items function. To suggest the ig is attacked from another universe is showing extreme bias and a lack of confidence in the ca imo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
CA couldn't fit in a Universe. It's an extra-universal item. He was of comparable size to a multiverse of 52 universes. Even if the IG user could see the CA there's not a damn thing it could do that the CA couldn't adapt around.

Ig wins any it wants to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Superman hanging on a cliff seems to me that the guy wasn't even close to unbeatable. He defeated eternal power, but then again Mandrakk never really did anything all too impressive for us to properly gauge his combat power.

Ig wins any it wants to.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That "cliff" was outside of the multi-verse. Their battle was metaphysical in nature, an approximation of what was really going on. Besides the IG has never beaten a being like Mandrakk. Mandrakk again was powerful enough to eat all of reality and the 50 or so other monitors combined were nothing compared to his power.

50 monitors who weren't PM or Anti-Monitor

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That "cliff" was outside of the multi-verse. Their battle was metaphysical in nature, an approximation of what was really going on. Besides the IG has never beaten a being like Mandrakk. Mandrakk again was powerful enough to eat all of reality and the 50 or so other monitors combined were nothing compared to his power.

Originally posted by galactusischere
50 monitors who weren't PM or Anti-Monitor

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Feel free to answer the question I posed to ODG, since this is also your stance.

Originally posted by galactusischere
50 monitors who weren't PM or Anti-Monitor

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Besides Mandrakk would eat AM for breakfast.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
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Do you know how strong they are?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which question do you refer to good sir?

questions I posted to ODG above.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I do know that they are each extremely powerful.
But none of them are around their levels.

"But none of them are around their levels. "

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That "cliff" was outside of the multi-verse. Their battle was metaphysical in nature, an approximation of what was really going on. Besides the IG has never beaten a being like Mandrakk. Mandrakk again was powerful enough to eat all of reality and the 50 or so other monitors combined were nothing compared to his power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Hunger was powerful enough to eat entire realities and Thanos helped defeat him without the ig. Ig wins.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
"Realities" is different from "REALITY" singular. As in mandrakk was eating EVERYTHING. Besides how does that do anything for the IG's case? Because Thanos 'helped'?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Thanos figured out a way to defeat a being this powerful without an amp. The ig makes his options infinite. The ca hasn't shown the ability to stop someone from freezing him in time has he?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Time is meaningless to the CA and its user, so is space. Superman said it himself that scale, space, time, and all other things become different and more "profound". He was on another level of reality that the IG can't touch.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Time is meaningless to the CA and its user, so is space. Superman said it himself that scale, space, time, and all other things become different and more "profound". He was on another level of reality that the IG can't touch.

Prove that it can't touch the CA reality! 😠

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