Originally posted by Omega Visionits the magus who did it, they show 2 identecal white spheres (suppose to be universes) and he just "mix" them into 1 universe or somethin. he dint even have all gems iirc so it wuz only a "IG-lite". IG outa be able do better then that IMO
When has the IG done that?
Originally posted by Omega Vision(i edited)
I'm pretty sure that universe was just a split-off from 616 not another universe proper.
dunno, only remeber that the 2 spheres were the same so the 2nd universe wuz same size
beside a universe is still a universe/reality with its space & time & all that ^^
Originally posted by Omega Vision"part of" as in, if 616 is erased then negative zone goes with it? (then it aint the same as the duplicate magus made, that one wuz outside & side by side with 616. i mean theres no point in mixing 2 universes if one is part of the other anyway 🤨 )
The negative zone is a full universe but its still a part of 616.
dint Reed say negative zone is like a "pocket dimension"? (hope i aint mixin up with somethin else 🙁)
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
"part of" as in, if 616 is erased then negative zone goes with it? (then it aint the same as the duplicate magus made, that one wuz outside & side by side with 616. i mean theres no point in mixing 2 universes if one is part of the other anyway 🤨 )dint Reed say negative zone is like a "pocket dimension"? (hope i aint mixin up with somethin else 🙁)
Originally posted by SoulDevourerits the magus who did it, they show 2 identecal white spheres (suppose to be universes) and he just "mix" them into 1 universe or somethin. he dint even have all gems iirc so it wuz only a "IG-lite". IG outa be able do better then that IMO
100% true.
Magus did in fact, merged the entire 616 Universe
with a separate entire Duplicate 616 Universe.
That's at the very east, a multi-universal feat.
(although mandling 616 should count for far more than that)
Originally posted by Omega VisionI'm pretty sure that universe was just a split-off from 616
not another universe proper.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThe negative zone is a full universe but its still a part of 616.
The Negative Zone contains a Nexus of Realities (CrossRoads of Infinity)
and the Negative Zone itself is located outside of 616.
This is a fact.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The sheer number of times we see universe, and no alternate universes/characters depicted in Infinity Gauntlet is why that story is only universal in scope, singular.
You didn;t see "other" alternate reaities/characters
because Thanos wasn't out to conquer "other" realities/characters.
Thanos ONLY WANTED the 616 Reality!
Thanos defeated 616 Eternity:
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
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nuts
Originally posted by Omega VisionThe IG isn't multiversal because its never been written as such.
Or an incomplete IG can merge 616 with another separate entire Universe,
plus Magus performed this feat outside 616 and the duplicate he merged it with.
So that's literally absolute and instant control of Two UniverseS,
while standing withIN a Universe outside/separate from both. (a third)
How about the Reality & Time Gems nullifying a whole bunch of UniverseS,
across the ruins of Two MultiverseS,
and then simultaneously creating a single Universe (Ultraverse) in that Multiverse,
while again simultaneously putting back both MultiverseS to their proper origin?
Yea I know, somehow this still isn't "multiversal" ... 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master👆
And yet a single Gem can stop Time across Marvel's Timestream,
or erase an entire Universe from existence.Or an incomplete IG can merge 616 with another separate entire Universe,
plus Magus performed this feat outside 616 and the duplicate he merged it with.So that's literally absolute and instant control of Two UniverseS,
while standing withIN a Universe outside/separate from both. (a third)How about the Reality & Time Gems nullifying a whole bunch of UniverseS,
across the ruins of Two MultiverseS,
and then simultaneously creating a single Universe (Ultraverse) in that Multiverse,
while again simultaneously putting back both MultiverseS to their proper origin?Yea I know, somehow this still isn't "multiversal" ... 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master👆 The scans always speak for themselves. Nicely done.
I posted Starlin writing Thanos saying,
I am the Supreme Being of This (616) and All UniverseS"You didn;t see "other" alternate reaities/characters
because Thanos wasn't out to conquer "other" realities/characters.Thanos ONLY WANTED the 616 Reality!
Thanos defeated 616 Eternity:
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
, and collapsing into ruin,
[B]Entire UniverseS being born
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
..................................................................................
nuts [/B]
^ Ironic that not a single one of those scans is from Infinity Gauntlet. Do I really have to cut and paste and scan every single panel/reference to universe, singular, throughout Infinity Gauntlet? Yes? No? If I get a few requests, I'd be absolutely happy to.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNot really. Especially since the incomplete IG was neither responsible for the creation of the dark duplicate reality or the beginning of the subordination of the 616-Universe. That's attributable to the CCU's.
Magus did in fact, merged the entire 616 Universe with a separate entire Duplicate 616 Universe.That's at the very east, a multi-universal feat. (although mandling 616 should count for far more than that)
Originally posted by Mr MasterOn what do you base this opinion on? There have been several locations that have been named "Nexus of the Realities." Like Man-Thing's swamp or Lord Chaos' and Lord Order's realm. I don't recall the Negative Zone ever being called that. And even if it was, we shouldn't let anybody get the wrong impression that the Negative Zone is completely unique, since there are alternate Negative Zones that correspond with different universes.
The Negative Zone contains a Nexus of Realities (CrossRoads of Infinity) and the Negative Zone itself is located outside of 616.This is a fact.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThis statement is oxymornic. Suggesting that Thanos only wanted to conquer the 616 reality, but ended up conquering the Marvel Multiverse is fallacy of the highest order. And the oxymoronic nature of that statement isn't even the worst of it. It's that you have to rely on wordplay, conflation of terms, and citing wholly separate stories and presenting them in such jaundiced views such that the only adjective you could properly acribe to them is "wrong." But then again, if somebody simply responds, "That's just wrong." It almost creates a situation where observers might believe that such a disagreement is purely dismissive rather than wholly justified.
I posted Starlin writing Thanos saying, I am the Supreme Being of This (616) and All UniverseS"You didn;t see "other" alternate reaities/characters because Thanos wasn't out to conquer "other" realities/characters.
Thanos ONLY WANTED the 616 Reality!
Thanos defeated 616 Eternity:
Sorry, but I wholeheartedly agree with Galan007. Understanding the scope of Infinity Gauntlet does not require intimate knowledge of obscure stories, which are several years removed. You've got a single throw-away line in Thanos Quest (with a perfectly plausible alternative explanation) compared to the dozens upon dozens of lines identifying universe, in the singular, throughout Thanos Quest, Infinity Gauntlet AND Infinity Watch. And the only way for you to hold that up as if it should take precedence is to reverse-project wordplay from wholly separate stories, several years removed. That's not how comics are written. In fact, that's how desperate ploys to project personal theories onto comics are made.
And do you really want to get into another obscure storyline? Do you really want to rely on Black September and all the adventures of the Infinity Gems in the Ultraverse? If you're reaching that far out, perhaps you've given up on the fact that Magus beating Quasar is no justifiable reason for thinking the IG is multiversal at all. If that's the case...
Originally posted by Galan007👆
except the word "multiverse" was never really mentioned during the infinity gauntlet affair. all i can recall was the usage of "universe" or "reality".regardless, even if the staff of marvel intended it to be a multiverse, do you honestly believe they would make it the sole responsibility of the readers to dig through completely unrelated comics in order to figure it out? no way, no how - writers aren't in the buisness of not stating things.
other side of the coin, the multiverse being involved in the abraxas arc was more or less spelled out to us [the readers.]
Hey yall, look for yourselves at what the Jim Starlin states
concerning a battle between an Incomplete IG & the UN:
Besides the obvious (uhh ... UN getting owned by the incomplete IG) duh
Starlin's words (writer's narration panel)
"a New Supreme Being (Magus) steps forth.
And a champion (Quasar) far from home (616)
learns that the word "Ultimate"
holds little weight in this current contest of titans"
*Can it really get more clearly than that? 😐
I mean 😂 ... Starlin is literally telling us ... Incomplete IG > UN.
Not because of Quasar, or any other imaginative speculation/fantasy,
but simply because this device called "Ultimate" (UN)
is but a thought' away from being defeated by the incomplete IG.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0👆
Originally posted by Galan007The IG controlled the UN's energies entirely,
and turned them back on Quasar.It had TOTAL control over those energies period.
A user of the UN could never harm an experienced user of the IG,
based on panel evidence.Yeah, Magus was "clearly panicking" before the IG was in working order,
for obvious reasons.After the IG was working again, Magus didn't fear the UN whatsoever,
because..... Well, he knew that he had the superior weapon.Besides the IG controlling the energy of the UN itself, you're right.
IMO the "best panel feat" is the Incomplete IG's feat,
of completely controlling the UN's energies.Since an Incomplete IG was shown to have TOTAL control over the energy of the UN,
there is no real way to think that a wielder of the UN could harm a user of the IG,
based on panel evidence..Why?
Because an Incomplete IG has total control over the UN's energies,
based on panel evidence.
I don't want to get into this, really. But from what i understand *cough* it seems like.
IG is superior in it's own Universe. More powerful, because it has the power over said universe, but it is still Universal. While the UNs power is Multiversal though in the Universe of an IG it hold less weight.
Like Mephisto in his realm can't be defeated by beings more powerful then him (outside his realm), the IG can't be defeated by more powerful beings while in it's universe.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeIG is superior in it's own Universe.
More powerful, because it has the power over said universe,
but it is still Universal.
Then I wonder how Magus merged TWO separate entire UniverseS,
while standing in a THIRD Universe separate from both of those?
Magus created a Duplicate 616 Universe with 5 CCUs.
Then Magus used the IG to instantly merge the 616 Universe, with the Duplicate.
😐
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And while were at it,
let's try
and wonder how ONE Gem can control the Concept of Time across Marvel:
Rune, with the Time Gem only ...
completely freezes the entire Time-stream:
Indeed ....
... the Living Tribunal himself confirms the feat:
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And while there,
let's really try and wonder how ONE Gem
can erase an entire Universe from Reality:
The Soul Gem alone ... erasing the old Magus' Timeline (an entire Universe) from existence,
while simultaneously altering the future of 616:
...............................
Warlock recalls this feat (years later) in Thanos #1:
"Destroyed a Reality once"
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So, basically,
some believe that even though Magus merged TWO separate UniverseS
while standing in another Universe separate from both ...
... ONE Gem (Time) controlled Marvel's Timestream ...
... ONE Gem (Soul 😂 ) erased an entire Universe from ever existing ...
... an an Incomplete IG made the UN it's b*tch ...
... we're to believe somehow the complete IG is just Universal? hum
(when ONE freakin Gem is Universal?)
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWhile the UNs power is Multiversal though in the Universe of an IG it hold less weight.
But I do enjoy speculations.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeLike Mephisto in his realm
can't be defeated by beings more powerful then him (outside his realm).
Originally posted by Batman-Primethe IG can't be defeated by more powerful beings while in it's universe.
This is while the IG was in the Ultraverse (WAY OUTSIDE of 616)
