Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Which is yet another limitation. Too bad he couldn't just pull Maelstrom back in place to teach him a lesson for mocking him completely as he couldn't even discern what happened, who he was, or even if it happened.Hey. On-panel. It has the power to nullify AND recreate AND manipulate reality. Try and keep up.

There is no such point to be made. What you keep trying to deflect from is that: Multi-Eternity got destroyed and was put back together. Slightly manipulated too. FAR greater feat (exponentially so) than anything the IG ever did. Couldn't faze Maelstrom. Couldn't compel Grandmaster to reveal Ego Gem's location. Couldn't detect Warlock uyntil it was too late. Couldn't protect Rune from a single blast of the Power Cosmic. I don't care what you see, I care what the comics show. On-panel.

On-panel comparison: instantly destroying/recreating multiverse >>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe. Get over it.

Odin has more powerful feats than the Celestials do on panel through what I have seen anyways yet we know just because Odin has more feats and displays of raw power he didn't magically become more powerful than the Celestials.

He blasted him. I put up another scan of how warlock's temper tantrum wouldn't have even affected eternity. That's not proof the ig can't defeat Maelstrom unless you read some other arc where his handblasts were just soloing abstract beings.

Thanos didn't want to rearrange reality he was just a threat to eternity's place. This is another reason the Lt didn't seek action against him. Thanos didn't want to destroy reality and since the un can destroy time/space why can't the ig since it has complete mastery of time/space?

You have big gapping holes in your logic. feats are the end all be all with you. Bringing up Maesltrom is laughable to boot and if proof of nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Eternity never contested it. I am sure Eternity wanted it to occur because of what Abraxas was anyways.

Odin has more powerful feats than the Celestials do on panel through what I have seen anyways yet we know just because Odin has more feats and displays of raw power he didn't magically become more powerful than the Celestials.

Are you kidding me? Odin has more powerful feats than the Celestials? Yea, him combining the strength of other Skyfathers, using the Odinsword and the Destroyer armor and getting wrecked by them is a really great feat that tops the Celestials.

hysterical

Originally posted by quanchi112
He blasted him. I put up another scan of how warlock's temper tantrum wouldn't have even affected eternity. That's not proof the ig can't defeat Maelstrom unless you read some other arc where his handblasts were just soloing abstract beings.

Thanos didn't want to rearrange reality he was just a threat to eternity's place. This is another reason the Lt didn't seek action against him. Thanos didn't want to destroy reality and since the un can destroy time/space why can't the ig since it has complete mastery of time/space?

You have big gapping holes in your logic. feats are the end all be all with you. Bringing up Maesltrom is laughable to boot and if proof of nothing.

It could likely destroy the 616 universe. Not the entire Marvel Multiverse. Stay on topic, k?

Bringing up Maelstrom, like Grandmaster, like Rune, like Nebula just blunts any and all baseless speculation that the IG can accomplish an exponentially far greater feat than it ever did or ever demonsrated the capacity to do. I know you close your eyes whenever these stark limitations of the IG's power are brought up, but they count more than your fantasies.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
More baseless speculation. par for the course.

Are you kidding me? Odin has more powerful feats than the Celestials? Yea, him combining the strength of other Skyfathers, using the Odinsword and the Destroyer armor and getting wrecked by them is a really great feat that tops the Celestials.

hysterical What's proof that the IG can't even hurt Maelstrom is the following. Keep trying to deflect:

It could likely destroy the 616 universe. Not the entire Marvel Multiverse. Stay on topic, k?

Bringing up Maelstrom, like Grandmaster, like Rune, like Nebula just blunts any and all baseless speculation that the IG can accomplish an exponentially far greater feat than it ever did or ever demonsrated the capacity to do. I know you close your eyes whenever these stark limitations of the IG's power are brought up, but they count more than your fantasies.

Odin's feats are more impressive than per say the Celestials feats when you look at the power described, etc., but we still know the Celestials far outclass even an amped Odin.

That's just a blast. Warlock wouldn't have effected the eternity with his angry outburst either. Please pay attention to what it is I am saying.

Nullifying one galaxy or the multiverse doesn't change the power used to accomplish this just the scope. LOL.

Bringing up isolated incidents which have nothing to do with it's overall power and looking past the ig(incomplete mind you) effortlessly pwning the energies of the un) has failed ya.

^ Says the kettle.

Odin's feats are not more impressive. Yes, we do know Celestials outclass him. Stay on topic: whether IG is a multiversal weapon. It's not.

Keep focusing on the blast for all I care. Thanos couldn't even understand what happened, who Maelstrom was or whether it happened at all. Which lends credence to IG's inability to hurt him at all because he operated outside of the IG's bounds. Another limitation.

It takes more power to nullify a galaxy than it does to nullify a multiverse. It also takes a different blast to recreate it instantly and make changes. Common sense. Use it.

Bringing up "Black Alice > Spectre" fallacies again doesn't undo the on-panel feat by the UN that exponentially outstrips anything the IG has ever done or demonstrated a capacity to do. I know it's hard for you to accept. But that's a cold-hard fact. On-panel.

yup now i remeber he said "speck". lol thats even less then a bug

btw Malestrom is basicaly abstract lvl at that point...so why did Thanos call him a "speck"? 😕

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Says the kettle.

Odin's feats are not more impressive. Yes, we do know Celestials outclass him. Stay on topic: whether IG is a multiversal weapon. It's not.

Keep focusing on the blast for all I care. Thanos couldn't even understand what happened, who Maelstrom was or whether it happened at all. Which lends credence to IG's inability to hurt him at all because he operated outside of the IG's bounds. Another limitation.

It takes more power to nullify a galaxy than it does to nullify a multiverse. It also takes a different blast to recreate it instantly and make changes. Common sense. Use it.

Bringing up "Black Alice > Spectre" fallacies again doesn't undo the on-panel feat by the UN that exponentially outstrips anything the IG has ever done or demonstrated a capacity to do. I know it's hard for you to accept. But that's a cold-hard fact. On-panel.

False. It was just a minor blast and Thanos not knowing what happened to him has nothing to do with who would overpower the other. Maelstrom died via black hole and was beaten by Quasar later. Thanos controls all of reality so in an all out battle it's quite obvious Thanos destroys Maelstrom at this point.

No, the nullification gets wider but the same power which nullifies a planet nullifies a galaxy save the scope.

The ig has absolute power. It doesn't need to leech off anyone else for power, it's just one of it's abilities. We already had a direct on panel comparison which completely falls apart when I apply your same logic to other characters.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup now i remeber he said "speck". lol thats even less then a bug

btw Malestrom is basicaly abstract lvl at that point...so why did Thanos call him a "speck"? 😕

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because Thanos thought he was omnipotent (and omniscient), he would have called anything a speck. The fact that Thanos didn't know what he was and couldn't kill him or teleport him back to his presence after he departed demonstrates Thanos' power wasn't as absolute as he thought it was and indeed invalidates any application of his proclamation that he was God as evidence that the IG bestows true omnipotence.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because Thanos thought he was omnipotent (and omniscient), he would have called anything a speck. The fact that Thanos didn't know what he was and couldn't kill him or teleport him back to his presence after he departed demonstrates Thanos' power wasn't as absolute as he thought it was and indeed invalidates any application of his proclamation that he was God as evidence that the IG bestows true omnipotence.

so your saying Thanos dint know about Malestrom n how strong he was?

^ That's exactly what the panels illustrate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, just as we know the ig is more impressive no matter what feat down the road has shown us.

False. It was just a minor blast and Thanos not knowing what happened to him has nothing to do with who would overpower the other. Maelstrom died via black hole and was beaten by Quasar later. Thanos controls all of reality so in an all out battle it's quite obvious Thanos destroys Maelstrom at this point.

No, the nullification gets wider but the same power which nullifies a planet nullifies a galaxy save the scope.

The ig has absolute power. It doesn't need to leech off anyone else for power, it's just one of it's abilities. We already had a direct on panel comparison which completely falls apart when I apply your same logic to other characters.

True. Maelstrom died via a black hole of his own creation, smart guy. Afterwards, as only an avatar and at a different power level than previously, was he beaten by Quasar. Context. Who cares about an all-out battle. I'm just talking about how Thanos was utterly impotent with regards to Maelstrom.

Based just on your limited circumstances, that's right. The scope IS different. Vastly so. Hence why one is much more impressive and harder to deal with than the other, because of scope. However, based on the circumstances present in the Abraxas storyline, we know that the blast didn't just nullify. It also recreated and manipulated. Continually blinding yourself to this simple and apparent distinction must be quite tedious on your part.

Absolute power... except when it's not (Maelstrom, Nebula, Grandmaster, Rune). Yes, the direct on-panel comparison is that UN is capable of an exponentially far greater feat than the IG ever did, or demonstrated the capacity to do. On-panel.

so basicly Thanos underestimated Malestrom?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
NO1 is omnisient not even PR Beyonder 😮‍💨

so your saying Thanos dint know about Malestrom n how strong he was?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes. So you can comprehend simple sentences then? That's good.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's exactly what the panels illustrate.IG is still impressive. But not nearly as impressive in relation to the UN.

True. Maelstrom died via a black hole of his own creation, smart guy. Afterwards, as only an avatar and at a different power level than previously, was he beaten by Quasar. Context. Who cares about an all-out battle. I'm just talking about how Thanos was utterly impotent with regards to Maelstrom.

Based just on your limited circumstances, that's right. The scope IS different. Vastly so. Hence why one is much more impressive and harder to deal with than the other, because of scope. However, based on the circumstances present in the Abraxas storyline, we know that the blast didn't just nullify. It also recreated and manipulated. Continually blinding yourself to this simple and apparent distinction must be quite tedious on your part.

Absolute power... except when it's not (Maelstrom, Nebula, Grandmaster, Rune). Yes, the direct on-panel comparison is that UN is capable of an exponentially far greater feat than the IG ever did, or demonstrated the capacity to do. On-panel.

I have already posted a scan of warlock who in an all out battle would have had no effect on Eternity yet you somehow leave out this example and focus on Thanos' brief encounter like it's a valid source of proof of the ig's best efforts to defeat him.

The point is this feat isn't proof the ig could not do so. destroying/recreating is something the ig has shown the ability to do with the snap of a few fingers.

The ig is more powerful than Maelstrom so I fail to see your point. I have explained myself and you don't want to get it not that you don't get it.

btw the omnisience part is BS...not even OAA is omnisient, so jus cause Thanos wasnt omnisient dont mean he wasnt omnipotent

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah but one more aint gonna hurt so...jus so were clear your sayin Thanos underestimated Malestrom?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw the omnisience part is BS...not even OAA is omnisient, so jus cause Thanos wasnt omnisient dont mean he wasnt omnipotent

Don't forget to use the poll people...

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw the omnisience part is BS...not even OAA is omnisient, so jus cause Thanos wasnt omnisient dont mean he wasnt omnipotent

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so basicly Thanos underestimated Malestrom?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now, it's actually a lot more impressive in direct comparison.

I have already posted a scan of warlock who in an all out battle would have had no effect on Eternity yet you somehow leave out this example and focus on Thanos' brief encounter like it's a valid source of proof of the ig's best efforts to defeat him.

The point is this feat isn't proof the ig could not do so. destroying/recreating is something the ig has shown the ability to do with the snap of a few fingers.

The ig is more powerful than Maelstrom so I fail to see your point. I have explained myself and you don't want to get it not that you don't get it.

Have no idea what you are talking about. Adam Warlock could beat 616 Eternity. Thanos already did and so did Nebula. I'm using the episode with Maelstrom, along with a host of others to blunt your lofty speculation that IG is exponentially more powerful than shown on-panel.

Negative proof fallacy. It doesn't work, k?

The point is: IG has limitations. So speculating that it could do something exponentially more powerful than it ever did is garbage.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He underestimated him but that doesn't change the fact that if he were truly omnipotent underestimating anyone wouldn't be a problem because no one could even bother him if that were the case. Maelstrom did bother him greatly and he couldn't do shit about it.

so much 4 ur argument about IG not able to affect Malestrom

u talk about "simple sentence" yet wut U dint get is this been my plan all along & u dint even see it comin 😈

01/14/2010 7:10 PM - OV has been fataly PWN3D by SoulDevourer 😄

Yes he is and its not so much that him not knowing everything meant he wasn't all powerful, its that Thanos should have been able to snap his fingers and stop Maelstrom from leaving his presence or hell he should have been able to outright kill him or look into his mind.

FYI this a debate about whose more omnipotent not whose more omnisient (unless u think UN give the user even more knowledge then the IG. lol)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, Thanos stated and the panels narrated he was omniscient. Guess he and the narration panels were wrong. Which weakens their overall credibility and reinforces that the IG can be impotent when it comes to certain situations and that it is not, in fact, the supreme power. That, along with the fact that he couldn't affect him, nor discern anything about Maelstrom.This isn't Bizarro world. Instantly destroying/recreating multiverse >>>>>>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe.

Have no idea what you are talking about. Adam Warlock could beat 616 Eternity. Thanos already did and so did Nebula. I'm using the episode with Maelstrom, along with a host of others to blunt your lofty speculation that IG is exponentially more powerful than shown on-panel.

Negative proof fallacy. It doesn't work, k?

The point is: IG has limitations. So speculating that it could do something exponentially more powerful than it ever did is garbage.

I posted the scan, but why not again.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-07.jpg

If this were not merely a ........the effects would have been nonexistent. Yet, Odg accuses Thanos of not being able to effect Maelstrom despite the fact just an angry blast wouldn't have an effect on eternity, either. Looks Like I win again.

Disregarding the on panel comparison doesn't work.

With power it doesn't have limits. It's infinite on a scale second only to Lt(arguably).