Originally posted by OneDumbG0sure but it only means it dont grant omnisience
Well, Thanos stated and the panels narrated he was omniscient. Guess he and the narration panels were wrong. Which weakens their overall credibility and reinforces that the IG can be impotent when it comes to certain situations and that it is not, in fact, the supreme power.
but nether does the UN lol
anyway can u cite jus 1 example of true omnisient character? (MU or DC w/e)
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
haha! u admit he underestimated him then 😈
so in other wrods Thanos dint use the *FULL* power of the IG...not even close!!!so much 4 ur argument about IG not able to affect Malestrom
u talk about "simple sentence" yet wut U dint get is this been my plan all along & u dint even see it comin 😈
01/14/2010 7:10 PM - OV has been fataly PWN3D by SoulDevourer 😄
Malestrom was gone before Thanos coud react...and Thanos dint react becos he was tryin to figure out wtf happened...wich means he aint omnisient. big effin deal. PR Beyonder dint know how to use the toilets so guess that makes him < Hulk huh? 🙄
FYI this a debate about whose more omnipotent not whose more omnisient (unless u think UN give the user even more knowledge then the IG. lol)
Originally posted by Omega Visionhey Thanos has the IG...its not like he become "one with the IG" he aint the Infinity Being or w/e. hes just a blue guy with a superweapon
If he were truly God of 616 then Maelstrom couldn't have confused him, or survived in the first place or left. Do you honestly believe Thanos' reaction time is that poor? No he couldn't do shit.
also dint they state onpanel that the user has to make "consious" choice to use the IG or somethin...not sure if its Thanos himself...he said the IG is external unlike the HOTU, and that was the diference between those 2 things & wut made HOTU > IG
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's exactly what the panels illustrate.IG is still impressive. But not nearly as impressive in relation to the UN.True. Maelstrom died via a black hole of his own creation, smart guy. Afterwards, as only an avatar and at a different power level than previously, was he beaten by Quasar. Context. Who cares about an all-out battle. I'm just talking about how Thanos was utterly impotent with regards to Maelstrom.
Based just on your limited circumstances, that's right. The scope IS different. Vastly so. Hence why one is much more impressive and harder to deal with than the other, because of scope. However, based on the circumstances present in the Abraxas storyline, we know that the blast didn't just nullify. It also recreated and manipulated. Continually blinding yourself to this simple and apparent distinction must be quite tedious on your part.
Absolute power... except when it's not (Maelstrom, Nebula, Grandmaster, Rune). Yes, the direct on-panel comparison is that UN is capable of an exponentially far greater feat than the IG ever did, or demonstrated the capacity to do. On-panel.
More fallacies I have to correct eh ODG.. No surprise there coming from you…. So, since Galactus couldn't beat the fantastic 4 how many times.. they are more powerful than him? I think not. So because the AM can't defeat superman.. superman is more powerful? I think not. Eternity can't defeat how many people how many times.. they are more powerful than Eternity? I think not. Just because you don't defeat somebody doesn't mean you couldn't or they are more powerful. Especially when you consider Thanos didn't really know who he was dealing with. Which could easily be explained by the fact that it might take more time to get used to "God" hood and really use all the gems to their maximum capacity. What makes your claim even more idiotic is that Thanos beat Eternity with ease. He was actually trying and knew exactly who Eternity is. Now I'm sure you don't believe "Abstractish" Maelstrom is more powerful than Eternity? You're not making this claim are you? Yet again, I have to come in here and expose your fallacies and horrible examples of comparison and logic.
Facts:
1. Thanos with the IG was ONLY concerned about taking over the 616 and not performing every feat it could.
2. The IG has shown to be at the very minimum multi-universal and on panel statements and facts say multiversal imo. In fact one makes one "God" of whatever universe it choose. "God" … "Ultimate" we know which word sounds greater and then battle played out just that way. After all, the IG comes FROM the creator of the Omniverse..
3. The IG has pwnd a multiversal weapon with the greatest of ease. Its multiversal nullification powers were dealt with easy and spelled out in black and white… Ultimate has little meaning in this encounter…. with but a thought the universes most destructive device is pwned. That is how easy it was
4. One v one encounters count for more than one feat in one area. It's illogical to think that one feat in one area speaks towards an all encompassing superiority. This is what I've shown and why your logic is flat out atrocious in this regard. One v one counts more than one feat… in one area of superiority. I've given numerous examples of such that you can't refute… Odin has shaken the multiverse in battle.. a celestial hasn't… hmmmm.. by your fallacy Odin is more powerful.. Only problem is a Celestial has wtf pwnd an amped odin in battle. One v one count for more. Thor, supes & hulk have way more lifting feats than Thanos or Galactus. One area of "supposed" superiority it would seem… Yet me know that Thanos is stronger than them and certainly Galactus is. Feats in one area of superiority do little to prove which is overall superior.
Thanks and come again, but this time try not to use horrible comparative examples and more fallacies.
^ Beginning paragraph is gibberish. You're agreeing that a more powerful entity not beating a less powerful entity isn't necessarily proof that against their relative power? Really? That's what I've been arguing regarding Magus v Quasar the whole time. LOL This is why I bring up Maelstrom! Because you keep trying to pin down the Quasar v Magus fight as proof of anything (which according to you is clearly not good proof!). LOL I can't believe you ended up not realizing why I kept bringing up Maelstrom and concluding EXACTLY what I wanted you to conclude!
1. Irrelevant. That fact can be equally applied to Quasar or Reed with the UN which wasn't concerned with performing every feat it could.
2. So what? Multi-universal =/= multiversal. We see how many limitations it had that discounts any purple prose you want to label it with.
3. So what? Black Alice pwned Spectre. Dr. Doom pwned Surfer. UN's feat pwned every single one of IG's feats.
4. Then Maelstrom > Thanos w/ IG. If you really think 1v1 encounters mean so much (but clearly now you do not! lol). And me shooting a rocket launcher wielder with a handgun means the handgun is more powerful than the rocket launcher? Obviously not. Coming full circle without even realizing it.
LOL.
Originally posted by quanchi112Your excuse is the faulty logic. It's called a negative proof fallacy. It's faulty because you're asking me to prove the IG couldn't do it. When applied equally, I ask you to prove that the UN couldn't do even better. That simply leads to a circular end-run around established fact. The established fact: UN achieved an exponentially far greater feat than the IG ever did or demonstrated a capacity to do.
That's faulty logic. Again, a feat not attempted by the ig isn;t proof the un suddenly became more powerful.I posted the scan, but why not again.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-07.jpgIf this were not merely a ........the effects would have been nonexistent. Yet, Odg accuses Thanos of not being able to effect Maelstrom despite the fact just an angry blast wouldn't have an effect on eternity, either. Looks Like I win again.
What are you smoking? I'm not accusing Thanos of anything. I'm seeing Thanos not being able to affect Maelstrom by looking at the comic:
If you win anything, it's the blind poster award. Seriously.
Originally posted by quanchi112Damn straight. Better recognize that the on-panel feat of the UN far outstrips anything the IG ever did or demonstrated a capacity to do.
Disregarding the on panel comparison doesn't work.With power it doesn't have limits. It's infinite on a scale second only to Lt(arguably).
Sure does have limits. As shown above and in numerous other examples.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Couldn't faze Maelstrom.
Couldn't compel Grandmaster to reveal Ego Gem's location.
Couldn't detect Warlock uyntil it was too late.
Couldn't protect Rune from a single blast of the Power Cosmic.
I don't care what you see, I care what the comics show. On-panel.
Maelstrom? 😆
The Gems were manipulating Loki/Grandmaster and Sersi into doing their bidding,
which was to reform Nemesis.
So stop the lies.
Warlock was not detected by the IG because it was in the hands of Nebula,
who had just returned from a chard corpse zombie-like state.
Warlock himself literally stated that Thanos would've detected him.
So stop with the lies.
Rune was battling for control of the IG with the Soul Gem,
it was literally stated on panel that this made him vulnerable in that instant
when Surfer blew the IG off his hand.
So stop with the lies.
^ Maelstrom:
What can I say? It didn't faze him.
Grandmaster:
The comic is quite clear. Couldn't read his mind (and apparently couldn't revive his pain receptors or even kill him). Ego Gem only orchestrated the charade so it could get close to Loki while bonded with Sersi. The Ego Gem or the other Gems never had any control over Loki. If they did, it would have simply commanded Loki to get close so they could recombine and the entire setup would have been unnecessary. That's a gaping plot hole in your theory. So, no dice.
Nebula:
Did Nebula not detect Warlock too late or not? Kinda oxymoronic she could overcome 616 Eternity, but not Adam Warlock...
Rune:
Nowhere did it literally state in either of the issues that Rune was "vulnerable in that instant." The only thing Surfer noticed was that Rune was resisting being drawn into the vortex and he had to strike immediately "before he escape[d] into the breach." Nothing concerning him being depowered was suggested at all.
Now I'm not going to accuse you of lying. I'll brush it off as "wishful thinking," "faulty memory," maybe "accidental misinterpretation?" But what do I see? The IG is absolute power... except when it's not. Suggesting it can match an exponentially far greater feat than it ever pulled off in the face of the above is attenuated speculation of the highest order. Make excuses for one of the above? Reasonable. For two of em? Meh. For all of em? Sorry, we don't indiscriminately dismiss on-panel evidence. AND even without any of the above, until a retcon occurs:
UN instantly destroying/recreating multiverse >>>>>>>>>>> IG taking over single 616 universe.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No, I am exposing you to the obvious double standards you have been implementing this entire debate. One minute I say Odin has shown more power than any Celestial has ever shown power wise on panel, but you won't commit to saying Odin is more powerful than the celestials because you know it's not proof of anything. We have seen how these two match up as we have also seen the ig match up with the un. Not only that but we have seen the embodiment of all there is want the ig for himself because it's absolute power unlike the un.
^ Beginning paragraph is gibberish. You're agreeing that a more powerful entity not beating a less powerful entity isn't necessarily proof that against their relative power? Really? That's what I've been arguing regarding Magus v Quasar the whole time. LOL This is why I bring up Maelstrom! Because you keep trying to pin down the Quasar v Magus fight as proof of anything (which according to you is clearly not good proof!). LOL I can't believe you ended up not realizing why I kept bringing up Maelstrom and concluding EXACTLY what I wanted you to conclude!1. Irrelevant. That fact can be equally applied to Quasar or Reed with the UN which wasn't concerned with performing every feat it could.
2. So what? Multi-universal =/= multiversal. We see how many limitations it had that discounts any purple prose you want to label it with.
3. So what? Black Alice pwned Spectre. Dr. Doom pwned Surfer. UN's feat pwned every single one of IG's feats.
4. Then Maelstrom > Thanos w/ IG. If you really think 1v1 encounters mean so much (but clearly now you do not! lol). And me shooting a rocket launcher wielder with a handgun means the handgun is more powerful than the rocket launcher? Obviously not. Coming full circle without even realizing it.LOL.Your excuse is the faulty logic. It's called a negative proof fallacy. It's faulty because you're asking me to prove the IG couldn't do it. When applied equally, I ask you to prove that the UN couldn't do even better. That simply leads to a circular end-run around established fact. The established fact: UN achieved an exponentially far greater feat than the IG ever did or demonstrated a capacity to do.
What are you smoking? I'm not accusing Thanos of anything. I'm seeing Thanos not being able to affect Maelstrom by looking at the comic:
If you win anything, it's the blind poster award. Seriously. Damn straight. Better recognize that the on-panel feat of the UN far outstrips anything the IG ever did or demonstrated a capacity to do.
Sure does have limits. As shown above and in numerous other examples.
I posted a scan of a Warlock angry blast very similar to Thanos' angry blast and you distance yourself again. We know the ig can defeat Eternity as we have seen it. An angry blast alone cannot accomplish it just as an angry blast cannot destroy Maelstrom. Same scenario, same situation.
I put up a scan of Eternity admitting this blast wouldn't have had any effect on himself had he been in battle. It isn't proof of anything other than how hard headed you are.
No, you win the can't connect the dots poster of the year award when everyone can see the reason why I put up the scan and the comparison between the two.
By your same logic Odin's highest power feats outshine the Celestials battle feats as well yet you aren't willing to apply your logic to that only the un.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maelstrom:What can I say? It didn't faze him.
Otherwise it makes no sense that some punk
who gets owned by an Infinity empowered Quasar is invulnerable to the IG.
(yea, yea the 'I'm a greater anomaly than you' stipulation)
And let's not forget that Maelstrom did in fact state
that Thanos was more powerful than he in the prior page when he's flying towards Thanos.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Grandmaster:
The comic is quite clear.
GM also quite clearly stated his reason why he was immune ONLY to the Mind Gem,
which was what was ONLY used.
How the 'F' is GM withstanding/defying/resisting the IG here?
Nice try on the utter lie you're trying to portray here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Nebula:
Did Nebula not detect Warlock too late or not?
Kinda oxymoronic she could overcome 616 Eternity, but not Adam Warlock...[/B]
Why don't you post the scan when Warlock first enters Soul World
immediately after that scene,
and talks to Surfer about how Thanos would've detected him,
and why Nebula was unable to.
btw. Nebula never did a thing to Eternity, the other abstracts got owned,
Eternity was no where in sight.
So again, nice try on a double lie within one claim.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rune:The only thing Surfer noticed was that Rune was resisting being drawn into the vortex [/B]
Dude, are you freakin kidding us?
It's clearly stated that Rune is struggling with the Soul Gem "embedded in his brow"
The same Gem that's even stating that Rune is nothing more than transportation,
since the Gems already have a plan of their own,
manipulate Rune into getting them into the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse
so they can find the Ego gem and form Nemesis.
On top of that,
even Rune knows he's only tapping the "merest fraction" of the power in his hand.
But beyond that, he's also trying to control the IG
which is evidently trying to control itself.
Get this gibberish out of here dogs,
or are ya truly trying to suggest that Surfer can defeat an IG wielder,
when at the very beginning Surfer would've been a victim of ONE Gems power (Time)
when it froze the Timestream and it was the LT who protected him from that effect?
Perhaps Surfer should've just defeated Thanos and saved everyone the trouble. 😂
This is by far your silliest post.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Now I'm not going to accuse you of lying. I'll brush it off as "wishful thinking," "faulty memory," maybe "accidental misinterpretation?" But what do I see? The IG is absolute power... except when it's not. Suggesting it can match an exponentially far greater feat than it ever pulled off in the face of the above is attenuated speculation of the highest order. Make excuses for one of the above? Reasonable. For two of em? Meh. For all of em? Sorry, we don't indiscriminately dismiss on-panel evidence. AND even without any of the above, until a retcon occurs:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0UN instantly destroying/recreating multiverse >>>>>>>>>>> IG taking over single 616 universe.
616:
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
.......................................................................
616 Eternity: (same as above)
Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
vs the UN who re-created this character who never fought back,
on top of that, this very same character wanted the Un to remake it,
to rid itself of Abraxas.
Just like when this same character allowed Genis/Entropy to kill it,
in order for it to recycle itself.
IG >>>>>> UN .. proven on panel & in handbooks and every which you look at it.
Originally posted by quanchi112I won't commit to "saying Odin is more powerful than the celestials" because it's not friggin true. Stop confusing yourself.
No, I am exposing you to the obvious double standards you have been implementing this entire debate. One minute I say Odin has shown more power than any Celestial has ever shown power wise on panel, but you won't commit to saying Odin is more powerful than the celestials because you know it's not proof of anything. We have seen how these two match up as we have also seen the ig match up with the un. Not only that but we have seen the embodiment of all there is want the ig for himself because it's absolute power unlike the un.I posted a scan of a Warlock angry blast very similar to Thanos' angry blast and you distance yourself again. We know the ig can defeat Eternity as we have seen it. An angry blast alone cannot accomplish it just as an angry blast cannot destroy Maelstrom. Same scenario, same situation.
Distance what? Thanos w/ IG didn't faze Maelstrom. Fact. Thanos w/ IG couldn't discern who he was, how he was unaffected, or even if it happened. Fact. There is absolutely no point in you bringing up Warlock.
Originally posted by quanchi112And yet, we know Warlock would have kicked his butt and has blinked him away with the IG several times. And we know that Thanos and Nebula beat Eternity. This is proof that Eternity can be beaten by the IG. You're throwing red herrings to deflect from the fact that Thanos didn't faze Maelstrom.
I put up a scan of Eternity admitting this blast wouldn't have had any effect on himself had he been in battle. It isn't proof of anything other than how hard headed you are.No, you win the can't connect the dots poster of the year award when everyone can see the reason why I put up the scan and the comparison between the two.
By your same logic Odin's highest power feats outshine the Celestials battle feats as well yet you aren't willing to apply your logic to that only the un.
I don't think anybody can explain this logic you're trying to apply. That presumes you have a nugget of logic trapped in there. Lofty aspiration that is.
Just because you think sending reverberations into the multiverse is some uber zomg feat, doesn't mean that the rest of us do. It especially doesn't mean that I do. So seriously, the whole Odin-schtick? At first I thought it was trolling? But now that you reveal you think it was this zomg-multiversalz uber feat, man... I just have to shake my head at it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
to EVERYONE in this thread that is misbehaving: stop.and yes, i'm talking about more than one person. so keep it civil from here on in.
Originally posted by -Pr-
to EVERYONE in this thread that is misbehaving: stop.and yes, i'm talking about more than one person. so keep it civil from here on in.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0But based on power feats if we only looked at that one could make an argument. That's all I am saying.
I won't commit to "saying Odin is more powerful than the celestials" because it's not friggin true. Stop confusing yourself.Distance what? Thanos w/ IG didn't faze Maelstrom. Fact. Thanos w/ IG couldn't discern who he was, how he was unaffected, or even if it happened. Fact. There is absolutely no point in you bringing up Warlock.
And yet, we know Warlock would have kicked his butt and has blinked him away with the IG several times. And we know that Thanos and Nebula beat Eternity. This is proof that Eternity can be beaten by the IG. You're throwing red herrings to deflect from the fact that Thanos didn't faze Maelstrom.I don't think anybody can explain this logic you're trying to apply. That presumes you have a nugget of logic trapped in there. Lofty aspiration that is.
Just because you think sending reverberations into the multiverse is some uber zomg feat, doesn't mean that the rest of us do. It especially doesn't mean that I do. So seriously, the whole Odin-schtick? At first I thought it was trolling? But now that you reveal you think it was this zomg-multiversalz uber feat, man... I just have to shake my head at it.
An all out ig user isn't = to an angry blast. I gave another example of warlock getting all hot and puffy, but it would have had no effect on eternity had he been ready for combat. We also know the ig is more powerful/superior to both Maelstrom and Eternity regardless of one blast.
Yes, we know eternity would lose in an all out battle just like we can surmise with Maelstrom. That's the point.
The Celestials have never sent this much power throughout the multiverse. I don't have to see them do it to know they are more powerful than Odin.
Originally posted by Mr MasterHe wasn't obliterated. Look at it again, you can see Maelstrom in that smoking crater. Stop projecting.
What can I say, he was obliterated into nothingness, then brought back by Oblivion into reality to serve Oblivion's plan.Otherwise it makes no sense that some punk who gets owned by an Infinity empowered Quasar is invulnerable to the IG. (yea, yea the 'I'm a greater anomaly than you' stipulation)
And let's not forget that Maelstrom did in fact state that Thanos was more powerful than he in the prior page when he's flying towards Thanos.
Maelstrom got pwned by Quasar when he was an avatar. At the time he was walking around punking Thanos, he got pwned by his own black hole creation.
That's pretty inaccurate.
Originally posted by Mr MasterGood that you've backed away from the whole "Gems manipulated Loki" schtick which got irreparably sunk by that gaping plot hole. Even though that's the SECOND time I've pointed it out to you. Having immunity to the Mind Gem backed by the other Gems is pretty much defying/resisting the IG. Any feat of the IG relies on a single Gem and/or combination of Gems. You make it sound like Loki divorced the Mind Gem utterly from the rest of the Gems. Another projection. And what's your explanation for Loki's apparent acceptance that Grandmaster could resist pain and beat death in the face of the assembled IG?
Yea, it's quite clear that [b]Loki only had and only used the Mind Gem on GM.GM also quite clearly stated his reason why he was immune ONLY to the Mind Gem, which was what was ONLY used.
How the 'F' is GM withstanding/defying/resisting the IG here?
Nice try on the utter lie you're trying to portray here.[/b]
Originally posted by Mr MasterI never disagreed that Thanos would have detected Warlock, considering they both lie outside the bounds of Chaos and Order and have an intimate relationship.
Why don't you post the scan when Warlock first enters Soul World
immediately after that scene, and talks to Surfer about how Thanos would've detected him, and why Nebula was unable to.btw. Nebula never did a thing to Eternity, the other abstracts got owned, Eternity was no where in sight. So again, nice try on a double lie within one claim.
Eternity wasn't there? Hmph. I'll have to reread it. And enough with the asperions, alright? If I misinterpret something, whatever. But all the crap you misinterpreted and I had to correct hasn't led me to b1tch you out as some sort of "malignant deceiver." Give it a rest.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd yet, the fact remains, there is absolutely NOTHING literally stated that he was "vulnerable in that instant" or depowered because of him arguing with the Gems. So is this where I call you liar now? Arguing with the Gems =/= depowered.
Dude, are you freakin kidding us? It's clearly stated that Rune is struggling with the Soul Gem "embedded in his brow"The same Gem that's even stating that Rune is nothing more than transportation, since the Gems already have a plan of their own, manipulate Rune into getting them into the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse so they can find the Ego gem and form Nemesis.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat first blast may have been the merest fraction, but if you're conflating that with "the Gems only lent him the merest fraction of their might," that is SERIOUS reaching and frankly, an utter mischaracterization.
On top of that, even Rune knows he's only tapping the "merest fraction" of the power in his hand. But beyond that, he's also trying to control the IG which is evidently trying to control itself.Get this gibberish out of here dogs, or are ya truly trying to suggest that Surfer can defeat an IG wielder, when at the very beginning Surfer would've been a victim of ONE Gems power (Time) when it froze the Timestream and it was the LT who protected him from that effect?
Just showing yet another instance where the IG really ain't up to snuff. To suggest it could suddenly match a feat that is exponentially far greater than anything it has so far achieved is ludicrous.
The rest of your 616 Eternity = Multi-Eternity is the same old conflated garbage that again fails to realize that the Eternity throughout the Infinity Sagas was in fact 616 Eternity of the 616 universe. Otherwise, according to your inane cosmology, 616 Galactus performed a multiversal surgery. Please.
Originally posted by quanchi112I don't agree at all.
But based on power feats if we only looked at that one could make an argument. That's all I am saying.An all out ig user isn't = to an angry blast. I gave another example of warlock getting all hot and puffy, but it would have had no effect on eternity had he been ready for combat. We also know the ig is more powerful/superior to both Maelstrom and Eternity regardless of one blast.
Yes, we know eternity would lose in an all out battle just like we can surmise with Maelstrom. That's the point.
The Celestials have never sent this much power throughout the multiverse. I don't have to see them do it to know they are more powerful than Odin.
Frankly, what Eternity said in that sentence about it being "a visualization of his totality" has so many double negatives that his statement is nearly incomprehensible. And considering that underlined statement, why do you think the IG's more powerful/superior to Maelstrom specifically? Because in isolation, it has far greater feats?
Answer the above bolded question.
Sending reverberations into the multiverse is not a vast uber zomg multiversal feat. Double Mjolnir impact can apparently do that. We also know the scope of the Celestials' power apart from curbstomping Odin. Don't use negative proof fallacies.
I am still having a problem with something here....is this topic about the Ig being greater or not..then the UN...somehow related to the topic of the thread?....IG vs CA.....is proving the IG multiversle or not....and the IG vS UN debate...going to reveal anything that will help us decide the topic of the thread?....i.m.o it will not....and i will state my stance on the thread topic..
Thanos with the IG would beat Superman with the C.A......it is my position that the Ig in this match..which is in a setting that both are completley operational....can determine reality in this match...and i dont think in this match up the CA can adapt to it....its premise is nearly tied to a specific story that i.m.o has no place here...but as it is a thread.....that my reasoning. and i dont care if its proven that the IG is only universal..and the ca is multiversal....in this match..its not really a concern.
Thanos wins
But i do understand posters who are defending thier theories and trying to debate and come to a conclusion...but it seems pointless after so many pages...i say that it is clear..the UN has a greater feat than the IG...and there is really no contest.....but i also think a IG user would defeat a UN user....where does that leave us?
Originally posted by starlockIG supporters in this thread are arguing that the IG is a multiversal weapon of an equal or greater scope than the Cosmic Armor. Mainly, they point to Magus v Quasar UN incident for that proposition. While most of the arguments have been solely on that proposition, that's still a proposition that's directly related to the topic at hand. So while I understand your issue with it, I don't think it's off-topic.
I am still having a problem with something here....is this topic about the Ig being greater or not..then the UN...somehow related to the topic of the thread?....IG vs CA.....is proving the IG multiversle or not....and the IG vS UN debate...going to reveal anything that will help us decide the topic of the thread?....i.m.o it will not....and i will state my stance on the thread topic..Thanos with the IG would beat Superman with the C.A......it is my position that the Ig in this match..which is in a setting that both are completley operational....can determine reality in this match...and i dont think in this match up the CA can adapt to it....its premise is nearly tied to a specific story that i.m.o has no place here...but as it is a thread.....that my reasoning. and i dont care if its proven that the IG is only universal..and the ca is multiversal....in this match..its not really a concern.
Thanos wins
I don't agree. The IG controling the "reality" on the level the Cosmic Armor operated is unsupported. The reality that the Cosmic Armor operated on was a "self-assembling hyper story." It wasn't tied to a single universe. And assuming it can control the Cosmic Armor, because controlling reality is what it does, is assuming the conclusion. The same way someone else assumes that the Cosmic Armor just adapts and eventually conquers the IG, because that's what it does, is assuming the conclusion. There should be better ways to approach it.
Originally posted by starlockIt leaves us with deciding whether the 616 IG user can defeat a Cosmic Armor user.
But i do understand posters who are defending thier theories and trying to debate and come to a conclusion...but it seems pointless after so many pages...i say that it is clear..the UN has a greater feat than the IG...and there is really no contest.....but i also think a IG user would defeat a UN user....where does that leave us?
