If this was ComicBookResource Forums, Cain would get a solid 8-9/10. But on this board we go by evidence of feats, and since there isnt a single combat catagory where Cain can be proven to be above Reen. She loses. People might argue Pressure points and nerve strikes, w/e, she isnt Elektra and she isnt Daredevil, she isnt causing enough damage with her bare hands to render Logan unconscious. Bat Gadgets maybe give her 2-3/10. But h2h in a dojo, she gets mandled.
Cassandra. She knows tons of nerve strikes and such, plus she can kick through brick walls, hard enough to crush skulls, and inches of bulletproof glass, so it's possible to KO him without having to overcome his healing factor. She has move reading to avoid his attacks, and the skill to take him on. Plus a few bat tricks.
She can't kill him or anything, but she can outfight him akin to how Elektra does.
Call it... 7/10.
Wolverine's good and awesome, but he is not overpowering against top streetlevelers.
Originally posted by Q99
Cassandra. She knows tons of nerve strikes and such so it's possible to KO him without having to overcome his healing factor. She has move reading to avoid his attacks, and the skill to take him on. Plus a few bat tricks.She can't kill him or anything, but she can outfight him akin to how Elektra does.
Call it... 7/10.
Wolverine's good and awesome, but he is not overpowering against top streetlevelers.
Thing is, they have a standard knowledge of each other (at least i think thats forum rules, standard gear, standard knowledge, neutral setting) And he has had PLENTY of bouts against the top body readers/telepath martial artists in Marvel. She may get him the first bout, but the 9 after that? He knows whats coming and he knows the counter, he has more training and experience than her, and if Deathstroke was able to tag her, where was her body reading then?
and as for outfighting her akin to Elektra..lol, one day she might be on elektras level. Name one catagory where she trumps elektra...
Originally posted by Juk3n
Thing is, they have a standard knowledge of each other (at least i think thats forum rules, standard gear, standard knowledge, neutral setting) And he has had PLENTY of bouts against the top body readers/telepath martial artists in Marvel.
Except she's not just a body reader in the sense of a telepath. That is to say, she body reads, but she also has simply very high skill, doing something to make yourself hard to read isn't a win against her. She is the most skilled HtH fighter in modern DC.
She may get him the first bout, but the 9 after that? He knows whats coming and he knows the counter, he has more training and experience than her, and if Deathstroke was able to tag her, where was her body reading then?
She knows a lot more than one style (to be precise, she knows at least 127 from Batman, she knows Shiva's style, all the styles Cain taught her, the styles of everyone she's ever fought... a good way to describe her is having an understanding of martial arts that gives her intuitive understanding of any styles upon seeing it, and she incorporates all of them intuitively with her "I can't believe it's not superhuman" physical abilities [as described by metahuman scientists who describe her movements and speed as humanly impossible]). If Shiva or Batman don't see through her style, I don't think Wolverine will. And of course, on learning each other's styles, the reverse also applies, she'll know his style, and she still sees each move before it's deployed.
As for Deathstroke, in the first fight he didn't tag her once, nor did he cause any injury in the second, and in the third he comments she's nigh-impossible to hit unless you get in her head psychologically.
As skilled as Cassandra is, in a forum fight, she's not beating Wolverine.
Cassandra will have to focus and keep landing fatal blows and nerve strikes to counter Wolvie's insane HF.
On the other hand, it only takes one clean swipe to render Cassandra completely incapacitated.
Maybe if she's backed up by her parents, it is possible they would KO Wolverine.
One thing's for sure though, she's definitely not going to win this match alone.
Eh, I think his performance against martial artists is exaggerated around here. Though I understand my views are in the minority so I won't argue too hard.
I think Cass has better speed feats (the 'bullet dance'😉, the meta scientists pegged her as peak human (Mentioning how all of her movements are only barely within the limits of human capacity and it should be mentally impossible to move lik she moves) and she's one-shotted some pretty tough foes (like a Man-Bat).
Originally posted by Q99
Eh, I think his performance against martial artists is exaggerated around here. Though I understand my views are in the minority so I won't argue too hard.I think Cass has better speed feats (the 'bullet dance'😉, the meta scientists pegged her as peak human (Mentioning how all of her movements are only barely within the limits of human capacity and it should be mentally impossible to move lik she moves) and she's one-shotted some pretty tough foes (like a Man-Bat).
wolverines speed is clearly unquestionably in the SUPER catagory let'alone'*lol* "peak" Professor X and i think it was Hank measured his speed/reaction time.