Originally posted by Superherovandal
I wouldn't without a HF and claws. CC is absolutely insane. I think calling her a normal human is crazy. She does feats that are above that of a normal human in comics.
She absolutely isn't a normal human. Precog and copy-ability, in effect two mental powers. Her body chemistry's out of whack, her brain works weird, she does stuff that isn't mentally possible for humans.
Not even just speed, but strength too.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/metagene1.jpg
Juk3n
wolverines speed is clearly unquestionably in the SUPER catagory let'alone'*lol* "peak" Professor X and i think it was Hank measured his speed/reaction time.
I know. I think Cass is *even faster*.
As fast as Wolverine is, I don't think he can do this, which has all four shots in the air before she starts.
Originally posted by Q99
She absolutely isn't a normal human. Precog and copy-ability, in effect two mental powers. Her body chemistry's out of whack, her brain works weird, she does stuff that isn't mentally possible for humans.Not even just speed, but strength too.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/metagene1.jpg
I know. I think Cass is *even faster*.
As fast as Wolverine is, I don't think he can do this, which has all four shots in the air before she starts.
Damn that was nice. It caught me off guard.
Nice speed feat. That feat alone puts her in the Super human list.
Originally posted by Q99wolverine wouldnt need to dodge a bullet and he knows that he will last longer and out fight her
She absolutely isn't a normal human. Precog and copy-ability, in effect two mental powers. Her body chemistry's out of whack, her brain works weird, she does stuff that isn't mentally possible for humans.Not even just speed, but strength too.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/metagene1.jpg
I know. I think Cass is *even faster*.
As fast as Wolverine is, I don't think he can do this, which has all four shots in the air before she starts.
Originally posted by Q99
She absolutely isn't a normal human. Precog and copy-ability, in effect two mental powers. Her body chemistry's out of whack, her brain works weird, she does stuff that isn't mentally possible for humans.Not even just speed, but strength too.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/metagene1.jpg
I know. I think Cass is *even faster*.
As fast as Wolverine is, I don't think he can do this, which has all four shots in the air before she starts.
he doesnt have to he has dodged automatic gunfire in a direct charge.... granted he hasnt had the best artist at the time focus on the individual bullets and angle of fire but his 80 art work was as good as it could be at the time to display his speed/dodging and overall badass aura.... 😉
i think that people get confused with splash art and modern artist and think that past art does not display the same point that is made in more recent art....
for example Ms. Marvel vs Ms. Marvel art looks cool as hell but some ppl think both combatants are high end metas with 80 to 100 ton strength because they survive a plane impact and engine .... when the sad truth is that the durability is the same but the way to show it has bn changed from earlier storylines from being pounded by a base level hulk or building explosion ect ect.... 🙁
inconclusion ppl see what they want to see rather then what is bullet dodging no different when it someone like DD is multi bullet batting. or shang chi.... dont confuse cool detailed art with an ability or upgrade... it is still the same person who can bullet dodge just like the rest
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
inconclusion ppl see what they want to see rather then what is bullet dodging no different when it someone like DD is multi bullet batting. or shang chi.... dont confuse cool detailed art with an ability or upgrade... it is still the same person who can bullet dodge just like the rest
Note she dodged four shots, going into the path of each on purpose for the fun of it and doesn't even move forward until they've all hit. That's still pretty impressive even among bullet dodgers.
And don't confuse good art with not having speed that's pretty insane even for heroes, just look at the scientist's rundown.
Originally posted by Q99
Note she dodged four shots, going into the path of each on purpose for the fun of it and doesn't even move forward until they've all hit. That's still pretty impressive even among bullet dodgers.And don't confuse good art with not having speed that's pretty insane even for heroes, just look at the scientist's rundown.
check... Cass is a bullet dodger with bullet speed probably can take on speed demon and quicksilver at mach 1. around the same speed of a bullet from handgun...
she cracks the sound barrier whenever she makes course correction.. the bang u are hearing is not the bullet but her moving and bullet dancing. 😉
all this while staying within DC company stats of the character and comic narration of her being human.... 🙄
i guess it should be expected especially when the U she comes from has KK..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
all this while staying within DC company stats of the character and comic narration of her being human.... 🙄
The narration just point out that she's *not* in normal human limits 🙂 She's got weird body chemistry and a weird brain, she's doing stuff they thought was impossible, they thought that she was a cyborg or whatever.
i guess it should be expected especially when the U she comes from has KK..
Yea, pretty much.
DC and Marvel have superhuman martial artists, this isn't news of course. Both sides in this fight has their advantages. Logan's tougher, got his claws, and so on. Cass is faster, a smaller target, has her move reading and style copying, bat gadgets, and so on. Whoever wins it'll be a hard fight without a doubt.
Originally posted by Q99
She absolutely isn't a normal human. Precog and copy-ability, in effect two mental powers. Her body chemistry's out of whack, her brain works weird, she does stuff that isn't mentally possible for humans.Not even just speed, but strength too.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/metagene1.jpg
I know. I think Cass is *even faster*.
As fast as Wolverine is, I don't think he can do this, which has all four shots in the air before she starts.
Originally posted by Q99
Note she dodged four shots, going into the path of each on purpose for the fun of it and doesn't even move forward until they've all hit. That's still pretty impressive even among bullet dodgers.And don't confuse good art with not having speed that's pretty insane even for heroes, just look at the scientist's rundown.
all that matters is, her speed is negated by his. No one has the clear advantage in that area, that leaves other catagories. Strength, Skill durability and damage output. We all know dodging bullets doesn't really mean jackpoop in a fight, spider-man HAS precog, he gets hit all the time my fists and kicks. Lets assume Reen and Cass will both land blows, id take his doing more damage than hers.
how is she faster? logan has hyper reflexes and superhuman speed stated in various narration in his comics...
how can she possibly be faster as a peak DC human? hell, Cap isnt even Peak but boarder Superhuman and he isnt any faster then logan in reflexive combat speed and the bastard seees bullets, bullets!! he races bullets!!! did i mention he out throws bullets with his shield after they had a head start!!!
and in marvel guys use Chi to get passed the peak and bullet dodging speed
Originally posted by darthgoober
If you're basing her stats of those scans, tbh they don't really support your point. In the story with that scientist I'm pretty sire it was is specifically stated that her stats weren't superhuman except for her agorate speed.
They did say that what she was doing should be impossible, that she was basically hitting the human limit in each move, that she had to have been enhanced to do it.
And in actual *feats* she's still faster (let's face it, comic understanding of humans limits is shaky at best. Real martial arts couldn't hope to fight like Huntress or Hawkeye, let alone the ones described as peak).
Originally posted by Q99
They did say that what she was doing should be impossible, that she was basically hitting the human limit in each move, that she had to have been enhanced to do it.And in actual *feats* she's still faster (let's face it, comic understanding of humans limits is shaky at best. Real martial arts couldn't hope to fight like Huntress or Hawkeye, let alone the ones described as peak).
Very possible, I'm not saying that she doesn't have feats. I'm just saying that those particular scans don't prove her to have superhuman stats outside of agorate speed.
Cassandra is a legit bullet-dodger, one of the best even.
But she's no Flash. And she's no Batman.
She can only go so far, until Wolverine's HF get the better of her.
In the first few minutes (hours?), Cassandra will get the upperhand. But eventually she will tire out.
Wolverine will go berserk, and a swipe from those huge claws will end the fight pretty quickly.
Juk3n
all that matters is, her speed is negated by his. No one has the clear advantage in that area, that leaves other catagories. Strength, Skill durability and damage output. We all know dodging bullets doesn't really mean jackpoop in a fight, spider-man HAS precog, he gets hit all the time my fists and kicks. Lets assume Reen and Cass will both land blows, id take his doing more damage than hers.
Except Spider-man has the precog but not the level of hand to hand skills, so that's a different matter. When he's serious, he's able to avoid Logan pretty well in their fights too.
Top level martial artists have avoided being stabbed by him without precog. She's a top-level martial artist with effective precog.
Logan's own speed can just about counter her speed or reading. But she has both.
If they both throw punches at the same speed, she knows Logan's will be thrown a split second before he notices Cass's has been thrown, and have a split second edge to hit first.
Wild Shadow
how is she faster? logan has hyper reflexes and superhuman speed stated in various narration in his comics...
She has higher speed feats.
Superhuman aggregate speed, peak (and 'peak' is a pretty nebulous term. There are superhuman fighters below Capt) pretty much everything else, a lot smaller.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
She can only go so far, until Wolverine's HF get the better of her.In the first few minutes (hours?), Cassandra will get the upperhand. But eventually she will tire out.
Wolverine will go berserk, and a swipe from those huge claws will end the fight pretty quickly.
Personally I think she'll get a good nerve hit or similar that'll give her an opening to KO him temporarily before that point a good amount of the time, but when she loses, it'll be like that.
It's not like she has to kill him or anything, just score a 'win', right? Because the former's a whole lot harder.
Originally posted by Q99
Personally I think she'll get a good nerve hit or similar that'll give her an opening to KO him temporarily before that point a good amount of the time, but when she loses, it'll be like that.It's not like she has to kill him or anything, just score a 'win', right? Because the former's a whole lot harder.
She does actually 'win' initially, imo.
Originally posted by carver9
Damn that was nice. It caught me off guard.Nice speed feat. That feat alone puts her in the Super human list.
You need to look at the other scan for more clarity.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5287/batgirl14pg048nw.jpg
Everything else human. Its just her aggregate speed is special.
As for the bullet feat lots of A-list characters have flashy bullet scenes its almost non relevent.
