As much as it pains me...Sasuke wins. Naruto has higher chakra, possibly faster, and all that...but Genjutsu kills, and I doubt Naruto has the strength to break through the incomplete Susanoo much less the now fully formed Susanoo. Plus unless out of character Naruto would never be going for the kill, and Sasuke would.
I think Naruto can win. I mean, look. Since Deidara, Sasuke has not once had a legit win.
Itachi: Lost on purpose.
Kirabi: Kicked Sasuke's ass completely before deciding to fake his death.
Raikage: Sasuke had to run away because Raikage and his allies were about to pound his face in.
Mizukage: Sasuke just lost this one completely, in fact he couldn't do anything to her.
Danzo: In the process of beating Sasuke handily.
For the supposed "jobber aura" Sasuke has, he sure does lose a lot...
Originally posted by King KandyIn all fairness...all of them with maybe the exception of Mizukage can beat Naruto also.
I think Naruto can win. I mean, look. Since Deidara, Sasuke has not once had a legit win.Itachi: Lost on purpose.
Kirabi: Kicked Sasuke's ass completely before deciding to fake his death.
Raikage: Sasuke had to run away because Raikage and his allies were about to pound his face in.
Mizukage: Sasuke just lost this one completely, in fact he couldn't do anything to her.
Danzo: In the process of beating Sasuke handily.For the supposed "jobber aura" Sasuke has, he sure does lose a lot...
Originally posted by Kentoi dont believe that, i think if sasuke didn't have the sharengan this fight would be way to easy for naruto, that bloodline is just way too uber. i mean look at all that sasuke can do now, black flames(forgot what they are called), susanoo, illusions, and the regular cheapness of being able to see...well everything lol. i think the people he was fighting just knew how to fight against the illusions, and raikage just would not give up lol. but i think naruto is stronger than raikage in sage mode...possibly faster? raikage is crazy fast. bee is really cheep because he has control of his beast....so yeah he could probably beat naruto lol
In all fairness...all of them with maybe the exception of Mizukage can beat Naruto also.
Edit: but your point still stands LOL
Originally posted by Kento
In all fairness...all of them with maybe the exception of Mizukage can beat Naruto also.
Naruto has the strength and speed to beat bee, and if it comes down to biju his is better.
Raikage, same. Just because he makes Sasuke look slow, does not mean he will have the same result on sage mode naruto, who is one of the fastest/strongest in the series.
Mizukage, lol Sasuke got owned badly, Naruto can beat her quickly before she mists everything (though to be fair, sasuke should have won that imo, one amaterasu could have finished her).
Let's also not forget Tsuchikage, apparently if not for Madara's intervention he would have annihilated Sasuke with that one jutsu despite susanoo. Naruto meanwhile would be too fast.
Even though imo Naruto only beat Pain thanks to extreme PIS, Pain>most of the people who have stomped sasuke.
Originally posted by menokokoro
i dont believe that, i think if sasuke didn't have the sharengan this fight would be way to easy for naruto, that bloodline is just way too uber. i mean look at all that sasuke can do now, black flames(forgot what they are called), susanoo, illusions, and the regular cheapness of being able to see...well everything lol. i think the people he was fighting just knew how to fight against the illusions, and raikage just would not give up lol. but i think naruto is stronger than raikage in sage mode...possibly faster? raikage is crazy fast. bee is really cheep because he has control of his beast....so yeah he could probably beat naruto lolEdit: but your point still stands LOL
Originally posted by King Kandy
He tossed that rhino super-high, which is as good as anything Raikage's done.
i guess but throwing is different than punching strength ook at the crater raikage made when piledrived sasuke has naruto ever physically created an effect like that. plus he penetrated jugo's mark pretty easily. Also didnt raikage break suigetsu's sword and crack susanoo
Originally posted by yungz22
i guess but throwing is different than punching strength ook at the crater raikage made when piledrived sasuke has naruto ever physically created an effect like that. plus he penetrated jugo's mark pretty easily. Also didnt raikage break suigetsu's sword and crack susanoo
Originally posted by yungz22
has the gap gotten smaller if sasuke and naruto were to fight right now who would be the victor
Naruto, if he uses Sage Mode.
Sasuke otherwise, despite current Sasuke being a supreme disappointment.
So basically, logically, Naruto wins.
Originally posted by yungz22
on what basis do you have that naruto is stronger and faster than raikage.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well don't forget the rhino was charging at full speed and he stopped it in it's tracks with one hand. That's probably the best strength feat in the series (Tsunade wielding Gamabunta's knife is close).
Originally posted by yungz22
butalso raikge has that extreme speed face naruto cant beat raikage he is to strong also the fact that he isnt afraid of pain makes him even more of a threat. the man cut of his a without thinkin twice
Of course, Raikage kicks sasuke's ass, and i'm sure naruto would as well, which is what this thread is really about.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sage Mode Naruto is just as strong as Raikage (remember when he lifted the stone toad). His speed is off the charts as well, maybe Raikage is faster but the two are at least comparable, so no speedblitz.Of course, Raikage kicks sasuke's ass, and i'm sure naruto would as well, which is what this thread is really about.
Originally posted by King KandyBee has more control over his bijuu, and can fully release it, or use a large portion of it's power willingly. Naruto can only use like 3-tails without some kind of emotional trigger. So even if Kyuubi is that much stronger than Hachibi the hosts make it pointless to care. And Bee is the better fighter, and Bee had the speed to completely dominate the sharingan's pre-cog without trying.
I seriously doubt it.Naruto has the strength and speed to beat bee, and if it comes down to biju his is better.
Raikage, same. Just because he makes Sasuke look slow, does not mean he will have the same result on sage mode naruto, who is one of the fastest/strongest in the series.
Mizukage, lol Sasuke got owned badly, Naruto can beat her quickly before she mists everything (though to be fair, sasuke should have won that imo, one amaterasu could have finished her).
Let's also not forget Tsuchikage, apparently if not for Madara's intervention he would have annihilated Sasuke with that one jutsu despite susanoo. Naruto meanwhile would be too fast.
Even though imo Naruto only beat Pain thanks to extreme PIS, Pain>most of the people who have stomped sasuke.
Sage Mode Naruto may be the strongest buy he is by no means ever shown to be the fastest. He's fast yes but so far above the likes of Gai or Raikage no.
Yea, the reason I said with the exception of Mizukage.
Tsuchikage didn't even try, we know nothing about his speed. And Sasuke was half-dead, and low on chakra when Tsuchikage did the technique. So who knows what would happen.
And Pain > Naruto easily except because of PIS. Naruto beating Pain doesn't make him suddenly stronger than everybody. It was PIS, and he was dead to rights after using all his Sage Mode clones, and fighting a weakened Pain. Pain had been at full power he wouldn't have even got as far as he did before being beaten, and having to be saved by Hinata.
And most important it's not like Naruto can just go Sage Mode in the middle of any fight, he has to have the time to sit still and gather the energy even if it's just a small amount. Which Raikage sure won't do, Bee if actually fighting instead of messing around or protecting somebody won't do. Sasuke probably would do but genjutsu still kills Naruto.
Originally posted by menokokoroOf course if Sasuke didn't use Sharingan he'd loose..Naruto can become faster, stronger, and has more chakra. But in the end Naruto still has no defense against genjutsu even if Sasuke's weaker than Itachi in that department.
i dont believe that, i think if sasuke didn't have the sharengan this fight would be way to easy for naruto, that bloodline is just way too uber. i mean look at all that sasuke can do now, black flames(forgot what they are called), susanoo, illusions, and the regular cheapness of being able to see...well everything lol. i think the people he was fighting just knew how to fight against the illusions, and raikage just would not give up lol. but i think naruto is stronger than raikage in sage mode...possibly faster? raikage is crazy fast. bee is really cheep because he has control of his beast....so yeah he could probably beat naruto lolEdit: but your point still stands LOL
Originally posted by King Kandy😛 Yes, but Sasuke uses Naruto's one weakness.
Of course, Raikage kicks sasuke's ass, and i'm sure naruto would as well, which is what this thread is really about.
naruto is currently a BEAST. and his power of sage mode has already surpassed the pain fight.
as for sasuke cant say much about his new susano. seeing as its durability hasnt been put to the test. it hasnt shown the yata mirror to reflect attacks, and were not sure that the sword it used was the tostuka no tsurugi which traps u in a genjutsu forever. we do know that the incomplete one has melted and broken a rib before so we dont know how much it can take{it cud probably take kirin}. and we dont know the specifics of that bow{doesnt seem like anything uber compared to the genjutsu sword.
i dont think that with sennin mode and nature chakra sensing plus kyuubi that genjutsu wud work too well.
what it comes down to is amaterasu. and i think sasuke wud probably win based on that.