sasuke vs naruto(current)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
naruto is currently a BEAST. and his power of sage mode has already surpassed the pain fight.

as for sasuke cant say much about his new susano. seeing as its durability hasnt been put to the test. it hasnt shown the yata mirror to reflect attacks, and were not sure that the sword it used was the tostuka no tsurugi which traps u in a genjutsu forever. we do know that the incomplete one has melted and broken a rib before so we dont know how much it can take{it cud probably take kirin}. and we dont know the specifics of that bow{doesnt seem like anything uber compared to the genjutsu sword.

i dont think that with sennin mode and nature chakra sensing plus kyuubi that genjutsu wud work too well.

what it comes down to is amaterasu. and i think sasuke wud probably win based on that.

I seriously doubt that Genjutsu would work on Naruto. I base this on the fact that Genjutsu works by manipulating your opponent's chakra, and Naruto resisted Nagato doing so even with a chakra rod embedded in him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I seriously doubt that Genjutsu would work on Naruto. I base this on the fact that Genjutsu works by manipulating your opponent's chakra, and Naruto resisted Nagato doing so even with a chakra rod embedded in him.

Um, not while he was in sage mode...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, not while he was in sage mode...

when pain shot naruto with those rods that wasnt genjutsu

Originally posted by yungz22
when pain shot naruto with those rods that wasnt genjutsu

Originally posted by King Kandy
No but it shows he can resist people manipulating his chakra, which is what genjutsu is...

If his chakra can't be manipulated, then he can't be affected by Genjutsu... and it's a lot harder to resist chakra being pumped through you by a giant projector than from something like eye contact.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If his chakra can't be manipulated, then he can't be affected by Genjutsu... and it's a lot harder to resist chakra being pumped through you by a giant projector than from something like eye contact.

Naruto needs to start a fight in base mode and then turn into sage reliably to actually win this fight as easy as he should.

We need to see what Kyuubi Sage mode can do.

Originally posted by Kento
But genjutsu, and the chakra rods work in completely different ways. You can't really compare the two.

Originally posted by yungz22
It seemed to me that naruto breaking out of the rods control had more to do with willpower

Originally posted by yungz22
It seemed to me that naruto breaking out of the rods control had more to do with willpower

Tough to say.

Itachi and Kisame would have gotten their asses kicked by Jiraiya.

Jiraiya got his ass kicked by the pains...but would have won had he known the real Pain was somewhere else.

Naruto only won his fight with Pain because Pain started to monologue...but he got much further with just the pain bodies, alone. The idea that Pain was "weak" helped Naruto win is wrong. Pain showed even more abilities in the beginning of their fight, than Pain did against Jiraiya, proving quite reliably that Naruto was better than Jiraiya at that point.

Also, for the single fastest speed feat, I already took everyone though it. It was Naruto, in sage mode or something, dashing at Deva path from a footballfield away, in less than a second...as Pain himself was counting down. So, as far as speed goes, the fastest one, as confirmed in the manga, was Naruto dashing at Deva Pain towards the end of the pre-paper tree fight. Nothing Raikage did can be proven to be faster than that.

Strength-wise, yes, Naruto has the best strength feat. He threw that massive Rhino hundreds of feet up in the air almost instantly after he stopped it. (We see the Rhino Rush, then Naruto stops it in one panel, and it is in the air hundreds of feat, one or two panels later...and the only way Naruto could have done that is if he moved his arms absurdly fast (i.e., he could probably punch just as hard as any other character, including Raikage, due to how fast he moved his arms)).

Based on all of that, there is not proof that Naruto can overcome genjutsu. He still loses despite having the fastest and strongest feats as "magic" mind control trumps naruto...unless Kyuubi someohow can do for Naruto what Kirabi's beast did for him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tough to say.

Itachi and Kisame would have gotten their asses kicked by Jiraiya.

Jiraiya got his ass kicked by the pains...but would have won had he known the real Pain was somewhere else.

Naruto only won his fight with Pain because Pain started to monologue...but he got much further with just the pain bodies, alone. The idea that Pain was "weak" helped Naruto win is wrong. Pain showed even more abilities in the beginning of their fight, than Pain did against Jiraiya, proving quite reliably that Naruto was better than Jiraiya at that point.

Also, for the single fastest speed feat, I already took everyone though it. It was Naruto, in sage mode or something, dashing at Deva path from a footballfield away, in less than a second...as Pain himself was counting down. So, as far as speed goes, the fastest one, as confirmed in the manga, was Naruto dashing at Deva Pain towards the end of the pre-paper tree fight. Nothing Raikage did can be proven to be faster than that.

Strength-wise, yes, Naruto has the best strength feat. He threw that massive Rhino hundreds of feet up in the air almost instantly after he stopped it. (We see the Rhino Rush, then Naruto stops it in one panel, and it is in the air hundreds of feat, one or two panels later...and the only way Naruto could have done that is if he moved his arms absurdly fast (i.e., he could probably punch just as hard as any other character, including Raikage, due to how fast he moved his arms)).

Based on all of that, there is not proof that Naruto can overcome genjutsu. He still loses despite having the fastest and strongest feats as "magic" mind control trumps naruto...unless Kyuubi someohow can do for Naruto what Kirabi's beast did for him.

speed wise naruto only went in front of tsunade and she was about 20-30ft away fro him not a football field away. sasuke has done the same in countless occasions. like when he blitz that cs2 user. he was probably equal distance away if not farther.

now that strength wise he is not as strong as raikage becuase when naruto punched demon pain it did not have same effect that raikage has when he punches things. When raikage punches its like has the affect that rasengan has on areas. based on your logic that a throw takes the same energy as a punch im pretty sure that raikage could probably launch that summon even higher in the air.

Originally posted by yungz22
speed wise naruto only went in front of tsunade and she was about 20-30ft away fro him not a football field away.

That was the beginning of the fight. I clearly indcated at the end of their fight.

No harm, no foul, right?

Originally posted by yungz22
sasuke has done the same in countless occasions. like when he blitz that cs2 user. he was probably equal distance away if not farther.

This would be a really good point if you were using the same scene I was. Lucky I didn't use that one, right? 😆 (I'd be pwned pretty hardcore, right now, if I had.)

Originally posted by yungz22
now that strength wise he is not as strong as raikage becuase when naruto punched demon pain it did not have same effect that raikage has when he punches things. When raikage punches its like has the affect that rasengan has on areas. based on your logic that a throw takes the same energy as a punch im pretty sure that raikage could probably launch that summon even higher in the air.

You've got that logic backwards. Based on what we see, Raikage would launch the animal a much shorter distance.

This:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/04/

Does not even come close to comparing to the crater Naruto can make with just his wind Sharingan.

And, which pain is the demon pain?

Originally posted by dadudemon
That was the beginning of the fight. I clearly indcated at the end of their fight.

No harm, no foul, right?

This would be a really good point if you were using the same scene I was. Lucky I didn't use that one, right? 😆 (I'd be pwned pretty hardcore, right now, if I had.)

You've got that logic backwards. Based on what we see, Raikage would launch the animal a much shorter distance.

This:

Does not even come close to comparing to the crater Naruto can make with just his wind Sharingan.

And, which pain is the demon pain?

lmao well let me correct my self lol sasuke blitzed that cs2 user in less time and at the same or greater distance than when naruto tried to punch Deva pain.... i got mixed up because naruto never hit pain he just got there so i thought you were talking about the beginning of the fight when he punched demon realm who is the guy Kakashi impaled with lightning blade

oh and the person's logic i was going by was king kandy.

Also windshuriken is a jutsu im talking about physical strength. the only strength feat people can use is when naruto threw that summon now when i say raikage is stronger im talking about only throwing power, impact strength too. because throwing and punching are too different things one takes two hands the other only takes one now if Raikage can do this

[url]http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/04/

with one hand what makes you think he cant throw that summon even farther than naruto did because throwing usually takes two arms. my argument is raikage has shown more strength capability than naruto.
lol this argument isnt even about this its about naruto..... my conclusion with that is I think this would be a good fight although i think the outcome will be the same as before because of those eyes. they are tooooo powerful

Originally posted by yungz22
lmao well let me correct my self lol sasuke blitzed that cs2 user in less time and at the same or greater distance than when naruto tried to punch Deva pain....

How do you know?

Why is it not more likely a genjutus than actual speed? There's nothing to prove that what Sasuke did was speed or not speed. We simply don't know.

Edit - And from what we see in the anime, it's more likely a genjutsu. It'd have to be because Sasuke cannot teleport.

Originally posted by yungz22
i got mixed up because naruto never hit pain he just got there so i thought you were talking about the beginning of the fight when he punched demon realm who is the guy Kakashi impaled with lightning blade

oh and the person's logic i was going by was king kandy.

Cool. And, like I said, no harm, no foul, DUUUDE!!

Originally posted by yungz22
Also windshuriken is a jutsu im talking about physical strength not only throwing power, impact strength too. because throwing and punching are too different things one takes two hands the other only takes one

It doesn't matter if it's a jutus. If Naruto was weak, he'd be blown away every bit as the ground was.

And, Naruto didn't throw his wind Shuriken, did he? He didn't have the ability to do that, yet, I though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That was the beginning of the fight. I clearly indcated at the end of their fight.

No harm, no foul, right?

This would be a really good point if you were using the same scene I was. Lucky I didn't use that one, right? 😆 (I'd be pwned pretty hardcore, right now, if I had.)

You've got that logic backwards. Based on what we see, Raikage would launch the animal a much shorter distance.

This:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/04/

Does not even come close to comparing to the crater Naruto can make with just his wind Sharingan.

And, which pain is the demon pain?

lmao well let me correct my self lol sasuke blitzed that cs2 user in less time and at the same or greater distance than when naruto tried to punch Deva pain.... i got mixed up because naruto never hit pain he just got there so i thought you were talking about the beginning of the fight when he punched demon realm who is the guy Kakashi impaled with lightning blade

oh and the person's logic i was going by was king kandy.

Also windshuriken is a jutsu im talking about physical strength. the only strength feat people can use is when naruto threw that summon now when i say raikage is stronger im talking about only throwing power, impact strength too. because throwing and punching are too different things one takes two hands the other only takes one now if Raikage can do this

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/04/

with one hand what makes you think he cant throw that summon even farther than naruto did because throwing usually takes two arms. my argument is raikage has shown more strength capability than naruto.
lol this argument isnt even about this its about naruto..... my conclusion with that is I think this would be a good fight although i think the outcome will be the same as before because of those eyes. they are tooooo powerful i dont know what the heck happened with my last post