Dr. Doom vs Thanos

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos prevailed by being tricked into obtaining THOTU. Amazing triumph... when the supreme being wants you to obtain something. Why... obtaining it would be so hard if "only" the supreme being wanted you to obtain it. Clearly. Doom also totally could have retrieved THOTU... how could he fail when only the supreme being didn't want him to? Pfft. /sarcasm

Warlock beat Magus. Doom had beaten Magus. Galactus fudged it up. Doom also came up short when he tried to unlock the secret to the Power Cosmic- ... oh, wait... he didn't. That was Thanos. Oops, Thanos.

Yeah, a mildly retarded clone that got defeated by a planetary explosion. Fine work there. Doom's invention breached Marvel Heaven and pierced the Fourth Wall. Keep trying to ignore that.

Breaking down the Fourth Wall and meeting TOAA through technology... or creating a retarded Galactus knock-off which was killable via planetary explosion through technology. You decide.

Thanos achieved it himself and being tricked doesn't just place Thanos right on it while sitting in his living room.

Doom failed. He needed Kang's help, doublecrossed him, and like he usually does dropped the ball.

Thanos created Omega who was more powerful than Galactus. Guess where the pc comes from?

Because he was separated from his ship, attacked by Thanos, Strange, warlock, and an armada, etc. in a carefully orchestrated plan to defeat this uber being.

Doom has been beaten by plan old Thor in destroyer armor with prep.

Thor had no prep yet he beat Doom to near death before he was saved yet again by someone else.

Thanos saved Doom's life, the dark avengers saved Doom's life, and Loki has saved Doom's life.

By your same logic she hulk and mxy can really go meet real life people and tear the comic books to beat their opponents. Guess what is serious and what isn't?

^ He got tricked into obtaining what he thought he wanted. Remember? vin

Thanos failed several times. Needed the Infinity Watch's help. Needed Galactus' help. Needed every Earth heroes' help. Count the number of times, Thanos failed against Magus?

And all your hapless deflection still doesn't change that Doom's most impressive invention > Thanos'. Truth hurts. I know.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He got tricked into obtaining what he thought he wanted. Remember? vin

Thanos failed several times. Needed the Infinity Watch's help. Needed Galactus' help. Needed every Earth heroes' help. Count the number of times, Thanos failed against Magus?

And all your hapless deflection still doesn't change that Doom's most impressive invention > Thanos'. Truth hurts. I know.

Doom needed Kang's help and failed. Thanos needed aid and won. This was also a Magus who created a Thanos clone because he viewed him as the biggest threat to his plans outside warlock. Doom was some minor guy who got lucky because he wasn't even looked out as a real threat yet he still lost despite being under everyone's radar.

Omega>pc.

^ Yeah. When you're tricked into obtaining it by the supreme being, that means you're getting it no matter what. Fine work there, Thanos. For not knowing any of this until it was already too late. Fine work.

Thanos needed the Infinity Watch. Thanos needed Adam Warlock. Thanos needed Galactus. Thanos needed every single Earth hero. Thanos failed about half a dozen times. Magus planning for Thanos definitely denotes the threat Thanos posed. I mean... just imagine if someone with THOTU's energies planned for someone from the very start... would kinda denote an extreme threat too, huh? Wonder who could possibly fit that bill?

Yes, the Omega is better than a personal computer. But the mildly retarded Galactus knock-off wasn't better than a planetary explosion... or an invention capable of breaching Heaven and prividing an opportunity to meet TOAA.

Nice try.

doom got his ass kicked by robot-hulk

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Thanos was outsmarted and defeated by the Pet Avengers.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
doom got his ass kicked by robot-hulk

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Originally posted by basilisk
Thanos was outsmarted and defeated by the Pet Avengers.

Pure fail, as its non cannon and Thanos was dead at the time, plus Lockjaw had to use 5 infinty gems

Originally posted by basilisk
Thanos was outsmarted and defeated by the Pet Avengers.

Like Doom wouldn't be wtf-stomped by the pet avengers.

Originally posted by Bentley
Like Doom wouldn't be wtf-stomped by the pet avengers.

But he wasn't, Thanos was.

Lockjaw outsmarted the Titan, proved himself a more adept user of the Infinity Gems by taking control of them, then banished Thanos to another dimension. Afterwards, Lockjaw handed the gems to Mr. Fantastic who later distributed them amongst the Illuminati.

oh, so you're not joking....

it's non-canon bud. you know thor as a frog is in that team, none of those adventures happened when he was actually in that frog state in the canon material.

That frog isn't Thor, though. It's Puddlegulp.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh, so you're not joking....

it's non-canon bud. you know thor as a frog is in that team, none of those adventures happened when he was actually in that frog state in the canon material.

I'm pretty sure pet avengers is canon. That frog met Thor when he was Throg and he has tiny piece of mjolnir that broke off when Thor went back to asgard.

Originally posted by 753
I'm pretty sure pet avengers is canon. That frog met Thor when he was Throg and he has tiny piece of mjolnir that broke off when Thor went back to asgard.

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Pet Avengers can't be canon. Thanos getting beat with the IG and all.

What was the issues where doom breached heaven?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. When you're tricked into obtaining it by the supreme being, that means you're getting it no matter what. Fine work there, Thanos. For not knowing any of this until it was already too late. Fine work.

Thanos needed the Infinity Watch. Thanos needed Adam Warlock. Thanos needed Galactus. Thanos needed every single Earth hero. Thanos failed about half a dozen times. Magus planning for Thanos definitely denotes the threat Thanos posed. I mean... just imagine if someone with THOTU's energies planned for someone from the very start... would kinda denote an extreme threat too, huh? Wonder who could possibly fit that bill?

Yes, the Omega is better than a personal computer. But the mildly retarded Galactus knock-off wasn't better than a planetary explosion... or an invention capable of breaching Heaven and prividing an opportunity to meet TOAA.

Nice try.

It's not fair to say Magus just himself prepped for Thanos he created a Thanos clone because that's how much respect he had for Thanos whereas doom was some minor little blip who ended up losing like he always does. Thanos prevailed over Magus and a Thanos doppleganger despite him having cc's.

Omega is greater and more powerful than anything Doom has come up with. Thanos, Strange, warlock, etc. had to team up to defeat it. If you feel they just needed to blow a planet up tp beat him then I suggest you reread the issue.

Doom has been saved by Thanos, dark avengers, and Loki. The guy has been literally crushed on his own. That's just sad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos still obtained his goal. Doom was the idiot who couldn't even get the heart whereas Thanos ended up benefiting from his stint as supreme being. He also saved Doom's life which happens all the time.

It's not fair to say Magus just himself prepped for Thanos he created a Thanos clone because that's how much respect he had for Thanos whereas doom was some minor little blip who ended up losing like he always does. Thanos prevailed over Magus and a Thanos doppleganger despite him having cc's.

Omega is greater and more powerful than anything Doom has come up with. Thanos, Strange, warlock, etc. had to team up to defeat it. If you feel they just needed to blow a planet up tp beat him then I suggest you reread the issue.

Doom has been saved by Thanos, dark avengers, and Loki. The guy has been literally crushed on his own. That's just sad.

There's no doubt Thanos is overall more powerful and operates in different circles. But he gets into trouble too, running away from Tyrant, begging for his life with Galactus, on his knees fighting Odin, utterly humiliated by Lockjaw etc.

On the other hand Thanos started with more - born a powerful mutant, raised and educated with highly advanced tech all around him and direct access to the universe and vast amounts of cosmic knowledge at his fingertips. Doom really came from nothing, and although he doesn't have what Thanos does he has arguably achieved relatively more (including going from a powerless uneducated gypsy nobody to absolute universal power pre-retcon). Sometimes I think comparing Thanos and Doom is like comparing say a clever electronics engineer of today with some genius of the ancient world - the engineer looks like he is vastly superior but the ancient genius might actually be the inherently smarter of the two.

On the other hand, Doom definitely lets his ego get in the way of success more often than Thanos.

While I enjoy reading Thanos stories I have mostly been more interested by some of Doom's plots and accomplishments. Too often with Thanos I just get the feeling the writer (Starlin, mostly) is just so obessed with Thanos winning everything he makes it too easy - every opponent suddenly acts like an incompetent buffoon making it easy for Thanos' rather simplistic ploys to work. Honestly, a clever school kid could have taken half the Infinity Gems off the elders the way they were written by Starlin.

But anyway, regarding the thread
Who's smarter? like I said above, it can be hard to tell. Although we know one scientific problem they both worked on - the power cosmic - and Doom did better on that one.
Who has the best inventions? Doom. Forget Omega - I mean Thanos took the DNA of Galactus, mixed it with DNA from someone vastly less powerful than Galactus, and supposedly the result is more powerful than Galactus? Starlin, please retire now.
Who has the best shields? Thanos.
Who has the bigger ego? Doom.
Who is the most evil? Depends on the period and the writer.

But to be fair I can also see the point of view of Thanos supporters.

Originally posted by basilisk
There's no doubt Thanos is overall more powerful and operates in different circles. But he gets into trouble too, running away from Tyrant, begging for his life with Galactus, on his knees fighting Odin, utterly humiliated by Lockjaw etc.

On the other hand Thanos started with more - born a powerful mutant, raised and educated with highly advanced tech all around him and direct access to the universe and vast amounts of cosmic knowledge at his fingertips. Doom really came from nothing, and although he doesn't have what Thanos does he has arguably achieved relatively more (including going from a powerless uneducated gypsy nobody to absolute universal power pre-retcon). Sometimes I think comparing Thanos and Doom is like comparing say a clever electronics engineer of today with some genius of the ancient world - the engineer looks like he is vastly superior but the ancient genius might actually be the inherently smarter of the two.

On the other hand, Doom definitely lets his ego get in the way of success more often than Thanos.

While I enjoy reading Thanos stories I have mostly been more interested by some of Doom's plots and accomplishments. Too often with Thanos I just get the feeling the writer (Starlin, mostly) is just so obessed with Thanos winning everything he makes it too easy - every opponent suddenly acts like an incompetent buffoon making it easy for Thanos' rather simplistic ploys to work. Honestly, a clever school kid could have taken half the Infinity Gems off the elders the way they were written by Starlin.

But anyway, regarding the thread
Who's smarter? like I said above, it can be hard to tell. Although we know one scientific problem they both worked on - the power cosmic - and Doom did better on that one.
Who has the best inventions? Doom. Forget Omega - I mean Thanos took the DNA of Galactus, mixed it with DNA from someone vastly less powerful than Galactus, and supposedly the result is more powerful than Galactus? Starlin, please retire now.
Who has the best shields? Thanos.
Who has the bigger ego? Doom.
Who is the most evil? Depends on the period and the writer.

But to be fair I can also see the point of view of Thanos supporters.

Doom has an entire nation at his beck and call most of the time whereas Thanos made himself what he is today. Thanos is smarter, more successful, and more powerful. No shame in playing second fiddle to Thanos Doom should feel honored his name is brought up in the same sentence.

What characters have been incompetent fools against Thanos?

Omega trumps the power cosmic. Thanos clones have trumped the power cosmic so I don't even see ho wthat's more impressive by any means.

Originally posted by basilisk
There's no doubt Thanos is overall more powerful and operates in different circles. But he gets into trouble too, running away from Tyrant, begging for his life with Galactus, on his knees fighting Odin, utterly humiliated by Lockjaw etc.

On the other hand Thanos started with more - born a powerful mutant, raised and educated with highly advanced tech all around him and direct access to the universe and vast amounts of cosmic knowledge at his fingertips. Doom really came from nothing, and although he doesn't have what Thanos does he has arguably achieved relatively more (including going from a powerless uneducated gypsy nobody to absolute universal power pre-retcon). Sometimes I think comparing Thanos and Doom is like comparing say a clever electronics engineer of today with some genius of the ancient world - the engineer looks like he is vastly superior but the ancient genius might actually be the inherently smarter of the two.

On the other hand, Doom definitely lets his ego get in the way of success more often than Thanos.

While I enjoy reading Thanos stories I have mostly been more interested by some of Doom's plots and accomplishments. Too often with Thanos I just get the feeling the writer (Starlin, mostly) is just so obessed with Thanos winning everything he makes it too easy - every opponent suddenly acts like an incompetent buffoon making it easy for Thanos' rather simplistic ploys to work. Honestly, a clever school kid could have taken half the Infinity Gems off the elders the way they were written by Starlin.

But anyway, regarding the thread
Who's smarter? like I said above, it can be hard to tell. Although we know one scientific problem they both worked on - the power cosmic - and Doom did better on that one.
Who has the best inventions? Doom. Forget Omega - I mean Thanos took the DNA of Galactus, mixed it with DNA from someone vastly less powerful than Galactus, and supposedly the result is more powerful than Galactus? Starlin, please retire now.
Who has the best shields? Thanos.
Who has the bigger ego? Doom.
Who is the most evil? Depends on the period and the writer.

But to be fair I can also see the point of view of Thanos supporters.

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Good post. And yes, Starlin seems to have a mad crush for his own creation. Just look at the Thanosi.