Originally posted by carver9
Orion has standard equipment and each character is fighting to the best of their abilities.No bfring for this fight.
- have no weaknesses to exploit.
- as a team, are better at h2h.
- are both fiercer: warriors at heart.
- as a team, have superior versatility.
Originally posted by Mindship
- have no weaknesses to exploit.
Radion... speed...
Originally posted by Mindship
- as a team, are better at h2h.
Debatable, at least in Superman's case. However, it's not like Norrin is going to make this a slugfest.
Originally posted by Mindship
- are both fiercer: warriors at heart.
Being angrier isn't going to help.
Originally posted by Mindship
- as a team, have superior versatility.
Moot, considering they both like to fight with their fists.
Originally posted by batdude123
Radion... speed...Debatable, at least in Superman's case. However, it's not like Norrin is going to make this a slugfest.
Being angrier isn't going to help.
Moot, considering they both like to fight with their fists.
I'm not up on this Radion thing. But speed? It's not a weakness for T and O; they're just not as fast. Is there a significant difference? That's debatable. Regardless, Superman is the weakest link.
Superman is definitely the master brawler here, and now Surfer's the weakest link. Besides, even if SS tries to avoid fisticuffs, T and O may well pursue it, being that "they both like to fight with their fists."
Angrier is not necessarily the same as fiercer. Think of it this way: this is pitting 2 warriors made against 2 warriors born.
Not necessarily moot. No reason why T and O couldn't pursue both tactics (ie, h2h and a variety of energy applications).
Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not up on this Radion thing. But speed? It's not a weakness for T and O; they're just not as fast. Is there a significant difference? That's debatable. Regardless, Superman is the weak link here.Superman is definitely the master brawler here, but Surfer's the weak link (only by comparison). Besides, even if SS tries to avoid fisticuffs, T and O may well pursue it, being that "they both like to fight with their fists."
Angrier is not necessarily the same as fiercer. Think of it this way: this is pitting 2 warriors made against 2 warriors born.
Not necessarily moot. No reason why T and O couldn't pursue both tactics.
Debatable? Nah, not really. Also, how exactly is Superman the "weak link?" Doesn't compute.
They may try to pursue it, but Surfer doesn't have to engage. It's not like either Orion or Thor are going to use blinding combat speed to make it happen.
The "warrior" argument means absolutely nothing to this fight. It's an intangible that people like to throw around for Thor, Orion, WW, etc. because it sounds good.
90% of the time, Thor uses Mjolnir for whack-a-mole, while Orion simply blasts and punches.
Originally posted by batdude123
Debatable? Nah, not really. Also, how exactly is Superman the "weak link?" Doesn't compute.They may try to pursue it, but Surfer doesn't have to engage. It's not like either Orion or Thor are going to use blinding combat speed to make it happen.
The "warrior" argument means absolutely nothing to this fight. It's an intangible that people like to throw around for Thor, Orion, WW, etc. because it sounds good.
90% of the time, Thor uses Mjolnir for whack-a-mole, while Orion simply blasts and punches.
But h2h can happen, and if they see it as a viable option, I would think they would pursue it as one of many options, especially given that they like to fight that way.
Of course it means something. It's an essential aspect of each combatant's personality.
What does Surfer do mostly? Flys around in speed-skater / skier poses, blasting things.
For what it's worth, Surfer and Supes are my two favorite characters. But given what Thor and Orion are capable of -- either in h2h or energy applications -- I really have a hard time seeing them pull the victory here.
Originally posted by Mindship
He's the weakest link in that he has the least versatility and the most exploitable weaknesses.But h2h can happen, and if they see it as a viable option, I would think they would pursue it as one of many options, especially given that they like to fight that way.
Of course it means something. It's an essential aspect of each combatant's personality.
What does Surfer do mostly? Flys around in speed-skater / skier poses, blasting things.
Neither Thor nor Orion are going to exploit anything in this fight. It's a redundant argument that has no bearing.
A fight between either Orion/Surfer or Thor/Surfer is not coming down to a slugfest.
In the past, it's been stated that Orion's overzealous nature can get him in trouble in a fight. Believe me, it's nowhere near the advantage you're making it to be. If anything, their overly prideful nature can be thought of as a downfall.
Which further points to the idea of versatility meaning something in this fight as being moot.
Originally posted by Mindship
For what it's worth, Surfer and Supes are my two favorite characters. But given what Thor and Orion are capable of -- either in h2h or energy applications -- I really have a hard time seeing them pull the victory here.
Obviously this is a close match. Either way, it isn't conclusive. People are going to be split on this topic, I just so happen to disagree with you.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So it's not gonna go down to versatility, but it's not going to be fought out physically.How is this going to go down then?
Because this is really a black and white matchup?
Surfer isn't going to be sucked into a h2h match, and Orion/Thor's versatility doesn't mean much in combat with Superman.