Dark phoenix

Started by brownqk6 pages

Despite all the wrangling here, I think it's most accurate to say that Galactus could destroy the avatar of the Dark phoenix--Jean Grey or whomever the phoenix possesses-- if not the phoenix force itself. And again, merely granting for argument's sake that he could, why would he want to destroy the embodiment/source of life that he needs to survive himself?

All told, the Phoenix ~Galactus>>Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix has telekinetically manipulated the atoms of the entire universe in the palm of her hand. A top tier feat beyond any 616 Galactus or any Galactus has accomplished.

This?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27126/602529-nxm15421ei4_super.jpg

thats nice.

Galactus has done the same thing by using Gamora's body as his "scalpel"(and this is 616):

None of those entities are truly multiversal.
Sometimes, universes within marvel are referred to as multiverses, because these universes have multiple dimensions connected to them.

For example 616 has Asgard and the Dark Dimension and the Negative Zone, separate dimensions connected specifically to 616. Then if you go pick up an Ultimate Universe comic, you'll see that connected to that universe is its own Negative Zone and other dimensions.

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes"

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html

Clearly states that 616 Eternity is Multi-Eternity or atleast has the power of more than one universe.

You can pick up a What If issue situated in an alternate universe and read tales of that different universe interacting with its own version of Asgard or the Dark Dimension that has nothing to do with the Asgard and Dark Dimensions we see in 616 comics. That is why 616 and some of these universes are referred to as a multiverses sometimes as opposed to universes within the greater Marvel multiverse which includes all universes and their connected Dark Dimensions and Asgards and so on.

Beyonder talking of how 616 specifically can be seen as a multiverse [B]in its own right and why:

“He decided to investigate a rather odd thing he had noticed about our universe. Namely that it is many layered. Composed of a seemingly endless number of dimensions. Indeed it is a multiverse”

So no. Galactus is not multiversal in terms of the true multiverse. [/b]

Abraxas saga made it pretty clear that ALL 616 abstracts are multi-versal. for ex. it was stated that ONLY the DEATH of THIS REALITY'S(616) Galactus would break of the chains of Abraxas and release him from the heart of Eternity. Which is why Eternity created alternative reality Galactuses.

Please keep up to date with continuity. She was, that is why in two of the recent Galactus handbook entries she is given credit for helping Galan to survive the destruction of the universe long enough for him to be guided by Eternity to the Cosmic Egg:
Nova Corps Files from Sept 2006

Phoenix only PROTECTED GALAN. She didn't create him. She only protected him as a mortal, before Galen became Galactus. She didn't create Galactus, Galactus only merged with the "Eternity" of the previous universe. And I have read that.

The Phoenix battled to repair the M’kraan crystal breach in this previous multiverse however the damage was too severe. However she battled long enough for Galan to survive and receive Eternitys guidance. Phoenix then reach out to all life and telepathically helped keep everyone calm it in the face of destruction. This foiled the Dweller in the Darknesses plans as he hoped the resultant destruction would cause enough fear across reality for him to become a major cosmic entity. Fear being his power source.


Again, she SAVED him. She did not create him. And Phoenix was dying too. Though I admit I hadn't seen those scans before.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for what would stop Galactus from eating the Phoenix, perhaps because she is exponentially more powerful than he is. Furthermore, if he did absorb Phoenix, she wouldn’t die, she’d just come out the other end lol :

Here’s an avatar of the Phoenix Force being used to power a machine and then reforming itself afterwards:

As stated on panel and in the handbooks, indestructible [B]mutable life force:


[/B]


I posted the scan above. Doom with Galactus' tech absorbed Beyonder's power. BEYONDER. Beyonder who made Rachel look like nothing. Atleast Galactus didn't get manipulated like Phoenix, and went up against Beyonder. Unless your saying that Phoenix>Beyonder>Molecule Man>Living Tribunal, then I don't see why Galactus wouldn't be able to do the same to Phoenix.

Thank you 🙂

👆

Originally posted by galactusischere
1-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/Excalibur_025_-_16.jpg
2-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/Excalibur_025_-_17.jpg

1-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Excalibur_025_-_19.jpg
2-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Excalibur_025_-_20.jpg
3-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/Excalibur_025_-_21.jpg

1-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/exc14p20.jpg
2-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/exc14p21.jpg

1-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix01.jpg
2-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix02.jpg
3-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix03.jpg
4-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix04.jpg
5-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix05.jpg
6-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix06.jpg
7-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix07.jpg
8-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/OwningPhoenix1.jpg
9-http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/OwningPhoenix2.jpg

^ all of Galactus and Phoenix encounters that I know of.

Originally posted by galactusischere
HoM Wanda>>Mad Jim Jaspers>Jamie Bradock>>Eternity/Galactus>>ord Chaos/Master Order>>>>>Chthon.
no. chaos magic is lord chaos. she cant be more powerful than him because all chaos magic comes from lord chaos, also chthon can use the chaos wave.....

also scarlet witch is the focal point of chaos/dark magic from lord choas

also every universe has pocket dimensions, if a universe that has pocket dimensions is considered a multiverse than ever single universe in the MU is a multiverse 😬

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
no. chaos magic is lord chaos. she cant be more powerful than him because all chaos magic comes from lord chaos, also chthon can use the chaos wave.....

also scarlet witch is the focal point of chaos/dark magic from lord choas

What has Chthon done that can be compared to HoM Scarlet Witch? What has Lord Chaos done? Nothnig. Lord Chaos and Master Order after Love and Hate are the weakest abstracts.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
also every universe has pocket dimensions, if a universe that has pocket dimensions is considered a multiverse than ever single universe in the MU is a multiverse 😬

Are u refering to this scan?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html
if so I suggest u read it again!!!!

Originally posted by galactusischere
What has Chthon done that can be compared to HoM Scarlet Witch? What has Lord Chaos done? Nothnig. Lord Chaos and Master Order after Love and Hate are the weakest abstracts.
i never said chthon was on that level i said he can use the chaos wave. he studdied it for atleast a billion years and even wrote down the spell in his book

also scarlet witch uses the chaos wave correct?

lord chaos is the embodiment of such things as a "chaos wave"
even tho no feats of his power of, but thats what he is

Originally posted by galactusischere

Are u refering to this scan?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html
if so I suggest u read it again!!!!

so he was going to kill eternity from within the realm of "nothingness"(oblivion) to restart the cycle and become eternity..

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i never said chthon was on that level i said he can use the chaos wave. he studdied it for atleast a billion years and even wrote down the spell in his book

also scarlet witch uses the chaos wave correct?

lord chaos is the embodiment of such things as a "chaos wave"
even tho no feats of his power of, but thats what he is

Just because its called "chaos wave" doesn't mean that its related to lord chaos.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so he was going to kill eternity from within the realm of "nothingness"(oblivion) to restart the cycle and become eternity..

Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes

ENTIRE UNIVERSES BEING BORN WHICH IS ONLY A FRACTION OF BIG E! thats not enough for u?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes

ENTIRE UNIVERSES BEING BORN WHICH IS ONLY A FRACTION OF BIG E! thats not enough for u?

huh? i never said he wasnt, i was the one who said multi-eternity=all

Originally posted by galactusischere
Just because its called "chaos wave" doesn't mean that its related to lord chaos.
actually it is because lord chaos= sum of all chaos in ones universe.

chaos wave, chaos magic , when some one cause chaos etc.....

lord chaos is the source of choas magic ( Wanda, Chthon, Dormammu)
master order is the source of order magic ( vishanti)

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
actually it is because lord chaos= sum of all chaos in ones universe.

chaos wave, chaos magic , when some one cause chaos etc.....

lord chaos is the source of choas magic ( Wanda, Chthon, Dormammu)
master order is the source of order magic ( vishanti)

Im not sure, but I don't think thats how it works. I don't know very much about MO/LC

bump

^trying to stir the pot again

Some guy wanted to debate with me on this so I bumped this.

Galactus can seriously end this with the UN in a few secs.

The Phoenix Force is multi-versal. Galactus is universal. It is as simple as that.

Prove it. You have no proof of your claim. Post scans. I have proof that Galactus is multi-versal.

Did u even look at the scan I posted for u on the other thread?
What happened when Galactus died during Galactus: The Devourer?
What is the UN capable of?

White Phoenix of the Crown easily manipulating the Universe. Galactus can't do that. White Phoenix has the ability to destroy and repair universes on a whim, and she exists outside of time. Jean has created futures for universes. Jean was able to repair the omniverse. Repairing a timeline is nothing to sneeze at.