Count Dooku (Physical Prime) Vs. Mace windu

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

U ****ing dumbass shut up ur a ****ing **** ***** ****** *** ***hole.

I can type [shift + 8] [shift + 8] [shift + 8] [shift +8] [ing] too.

Forgive im upset at the ignorance of the biased majority of windu worshipers.

You make a very insightful and well-reasoned point. The hordes of citations and reams of evidence you have supplied us with is a real credit to your intelligence and effort.

im sorry if you havent re-watched every lightsaber fight as many times as myself, and dont recognize each individual scene and the coreography and every movement which has been instilled into my masochist mind.

[Both Shatterpoint and the novelization of RotS both indicate that Vaapad is more than a slightly different series of slashes and blocks. There is a fundamentally unique metaphysical aspect-- this cannot be disputed.

Please explain these indications of a metaphysical for i own but have not read shatterpoint because i hate reading.

You have left out one key fact:
You have not provided any evidence that Obi-Wan is, in fact, more powerful in the Force than Windu, nor have you substantiated the relationship between Dooku and Skywalker's relative strengths in the force.

A series indication was anakins ability to cause steel bending tremors with the force after being made the cybernetic sith known as vader, clearly which neither windu nor dooku could do.

You have left out one key fact:
The actors playing Mace Windu and Darth Sidious were both much, much older than those playing Kenobi and Skywalker. The actors chose (at the last minute) to portray their own characters in their battle, lessening the utility of digital manipulation and/or stuntmen in making the fight more impressive. The key assumption that you are relying upon-- that the fights Skywalker/Kenobi and Windu/Sidious are limited only by technology and in identical ways-- is flawed.

If this is true it makes a considerable difference but is still irrelevant due to greater strength of the force equaling greater precog.

You have left out one key fact:
I have no idea what you are talking about because you have not provided any evidence or, hell, even context for this belligerent paragraph. I'm even lost as to the subject of your disdain; Among us, who has advocated the Kyber crystal (I'm not even sure what that is?) as an important factor in this fight?

CGI actor Palps when fighting yoda>live action palps fighting windu to put it simply.

You have left out one key fact:
Mace is noted to have a uniquely insightful method of viewing the Force; to argue that he is the least perceptive combatant is both unfounded and wrong. He is possibly the most adept at precog of the characters you've listed. [/B]

not if his power in the force is indeed inferior to all of them, and if they cared at all about using precog for combat purposes. windu has porbably specialized in precog and applied it specifically to lightsaber dueling, but so has all the other afformentioned characters, the one whom has the strongest ability in the force is the one who potentially can apply greater precognition to lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I especially like the phrase "feeble intellects."

I can't help but dwelve into the possibilty that you believe that my poor grammar is a result of my limited knowledge of the english language.

I chose to type like that to avoid a perma ban because I can easily be afformated as KOS.

KOS?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
KOS?

a banned member and a friend of mine.

Vader, Yoda and Palpatine are clearly strongest in the force.

Telekinetic tremors that bend steel and shake several floors of a giant durably framed medical building.

YouTube video

So if Vader cared about his ability to out-perform Jedi with superior mobility to his robotic limbs in lightsaber combat he would apply massive precognition ligthsaber combat so he sees hundreds of oves ahead of them, but he really didn't care.

Palpatine and Yoda, however, were different. Luke showed more adeptivity to lightsaber combat than anyone, even Windu and his metaphysical Vaapad, you give Luke one-on-one training in lightsaber combat from Palpatine, Yoda and Windu , you've got someone teaching him to feign frailty and inferioty to gain advantage of his opponent's mind, someone else teaching him 800 years of experience in lightsaber combat and finally someone teaching him a metaphysical form of lightsaber combat, and Luke still won't be able to beat Anakin if he had grown stronger in the force than both Palpatine and Yoda and had applied monster precognition specifically to lightsaber combat.

That's why Dooku wins.

So if Vader cared about his ability to out-perform Jedi with superior mobility to his robotic limbs in lightsaber combat he would apply massive precognition ligthsaber combat so he sees hundreds of oves ahead of them, but he really didn't care.

You're operating on unproven assumptions.

Palpatine and Yoda, however, were different. Luke showed more adeptivity to lightsaber combat than anyone, even Windu and his metaphysical Vaapad, you give Luke one-on-one training in lightsaber combat from Palpatine, Yoda and Windu , you've got someone teaching him to feign frailty and inferioty to gain advantage of his opponent's mind, someone else teaching him 800 years of experience in lightsaber combat and finally someone teaching him a metaphysical form of lightsaber combat, and Luke still won't be able to beat Anakin if he had grown stronger in the force than both Palpatine and Yoda and had applied monster precognition specifically to lightsaber combat.

That's why Dooku wins.

You are not quite connecting all the dots, or even using all of the right dots.

If you are willing, I'd like you to take a deep breath, and then restart your presentation, without any silliness about pretending to be stupid or anything like that. Marshall your thoughts and make a valid argument.

Naturally Luke in particular could mimic saber techniques, forms and even trajectories, he was in fact more adept to lightsaber combat than Mace Windu.

Which is why I used him as an example, if he has been taught everything there is to know about lightsaber combat with the knowledge of thousands of saber techniques and forms, and millions of possible trajectories in duels, he still couldn't beat a POWERFUL Jedi Master in a lightsaber duel if he doesn't apply precognition to the duel, precognition that allowed Obi-Wan to defeat General Greivous in lightsaber combat, an individual who had superior mobility and four lightsabers all augmented by his servo motors.

Precognitive abilities are what give the Jedi their victories in combat, without precognition they can't even deflect blaster bolts.

And every aspect of physical manifestation of force techniques, force push, sith lightning, telekinesis and even precognition are moderated by the same thing, ones strength in the force.

If Dooku is stronger in the force than Windu, and if he had applied precognition specifcally to lightsaber combat, than he will see moves before Windu ever could because of the difference in power that moderates their manipulation of the force and magnitude of precognitive reactions.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This looks a whole lot like a reductio ad absurdum than a genuine argument to me.

Not that our foolish friend does it right, but a reductio ad absurdum can be a perfectly valid/sound technique when used right.

Originally posted by \\S//
Naturally Luke in particular could mimic saber techniques, forms and even trajectories, he was in fact more adept to lightsaber combat than Mace Windu.

Which is why I used him as an example, if he has been taught everything there is to know about lightsaber combat with the knowledge of thousands of saber techniques and forms, and millions of possible trajectories in duels, he still couldn't beat a POWERFUL Jedi Master in a lightsaber duel if he doesn't apply precognition to the duel, precognition that allowed Obi-Wan to defeat General Greivous in lightsaber combat, an individual who had superior mobility and four lightsabers all augmented by his servo motors.

Precognitive abilities are what give the Jedi their victories in combat, without precognition they can't even deflect blaster bolts.

And every aspect of physical manifestation of force techniques, force push, sith lightning, telekinesis and even precognition are moderated by the same thing, ones strength in the force.

If Dooku is stronger in the force than Windu, and if he had applied precognition specifcally to lightsaber combat, than he will see moves before Windu ever could because of the difference in power that moderates their manipulation of the force and magnitude of precognitive reactions.

Ones power in the force is moderated by the following formula.

midi-chlorian count per cell (X) mass of each cell (X) mass of individual
_____________________________________________

percentage of midi-chlorians attuned to the individual's will

Although knowledge in the force is just as important due to the fact that techniques and powers can be used in the same way by lesser Jedi or Sith, although these lesser individuals can't potentially use it to as great of a degree asthe said greater idividuals could and there are techniques that the lesser individals are not strong enough to use but that other-more powerful Jedi or Sith-might be capable of wielding.

Sorry, the above formula has a typo in it, the following is the correct formula:

midi-chlorian count per cell (X) mass of each cell (X) mass of individual
_____________________________________________

percentage of midi-chlorians Not Yet attuned to the individual's will

As I said if you spend as much time on which Jedi can beat which Sith or vice versa as I have, then these kinds of debates will be simple, although other people have greater knowledge of other aspects of Star Wars, for example Starships or Weapons, but in this masochist field of who's the most powerful, I doubt I'll meet someone who can break it down to a formula.

But can you tell me what |z| equals when z = 5 + 7i?

i^7 = -i

Originally posted by \\S//

As I said if you spend as much time on which Jedi can beat which Sith or vice versa as I have, then these kinds of debates will be simple,

Did you really say that? Do you know where you are? Hello. You are on a star wars vs. forum.. That is where you are. You are surrounded by people who have spent as much time on which Jedi can beat each sith. Since you haven't read the books, you are much more likely to be wrong than almost every member here.

Let me put it this way. repeatedly you have made points about Sidious, Mace, and Yoda, based on your PERCEPTION of a lightsaber duel. Your perception is INFERIOR to canon novel sources.

Since you admitted you have not read the books, because you hate to read, your Star Wars knowledge, compared to everyone else on this forum is, as you put it:

although other people have greater knowledge of other aspects of Star Wars

or as we put, MUCH INFERIOR to ours. Read the books, come back and talk. Your interpretation of the events of the ROTS movie is inferior to what the novel says you are actually seeing. Simply because your interpretation (that Vapaad was just like Maul's Form 7, with a few differences) is countermanded by NUMEROUS sources. So your interpretation goes no further than me saying (Mace's form looked way different than Maul's). Since we have canon sources that state you are wrong. You are wrong. We have been over this many times.

Maschoism:
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[*]the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.
[*]the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.[/list]

you
in this masochist field of who's the most powerful

You'll understand when you're older.

, I doubt I'll meet someone who can break it down to a formula.

That's where you're wrong:

(((number of synapses/Kg of bodyweight^Meisher-Curtwreit control scale value)-(number concussions during puberty/number years trained))^(number midichlorians/prehensile digit*percent cells untouched by a lightsaber))/alphanumeric value of name where a=1 b=2 c=3...^(log 3pi/.999i))

This does not, of course, apply to any of the Scmubeck coda of exceptional humanoids (with the notable exception of the Wookie), or even to the non-primate species.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
It's called hypocrisy. Like how people can do stupid stuff, but it annoys them when other people do the same.

Do you understand English? "As much time as..."

Originally posted by Jonathan Ingram
But can you tell me what |z| equals when z = 5 + 7i?

Originally posted by Jonathan Ingram
i^7 = -i

I'm not really sure what you want from this. You've expressed z in standard complex form, which is about as simplified as it gets. He could also say 5 + 7 roots of negative one, but that is about it. i^7 = -i is largely irrelevant because there are no exponents in that equation.

Originally posted by truejedi
Did you really say that? Do you know where you are? Hello. You are on a star wars vs. forum.. That is where you are. You are surrounded by people who have spent as much time on which Jedi can beat each sith. Since you haven't read the books, you are much more likely to be wrong than almost every member here.

Let me put it this way. repeatedly you have made points about Sidious, Mace, and Yoda, based on your PERCEPTION of a lightsaber duel. Your perception is INFERIOR to canon novel sources.

Since you admitted you have not read the books, because you hate to read, your Star Wars knowledge, compared to everyone else on this forum is, as you put it:

or as we put, MUCH INFERIOR to ours. Read the books, come back and talk. Your interpretation of the events of the ROTS movie is inferior to what the novel says you are actually seeing. Simply because your interpretation (that Vapaad was just like Maul's Form 7, with a few differences) is countermanded by NUMEROUS sources. So your interpretation goes no further than me saying (Mace's form looked way different than Maul's). Since we have canon sources that state you are wrong. You are wrong. We have been over this many times.

So you're saying books are more accurate than films when comparing lightsaber duels?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'm not really sure what you want from this. You've expressed z in standard complex form, which is about as simplified as it gets. He could also say 5 + 7 roots of negative one, but that is about it. i^7 = -i is largely irrelevant because there are no exponents in that equation.

In your opinion.

Tell me what |z| equals. Now.

According to your equation, z = 5 + 7i

I haven't learned (and suspect that there is not) a method by which one can rationalize (or, as i is imaginary instead of irrational, I should say, actualize) that into a single numeric value. That is the entire point of the complex plane.

I thought. If you have world-breaking mind shattering maths that you halfway understand feel free to tell us so that I can google it and explain to you why it doesn't mean what you think it means.

but srsly: wut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_value#Complex_numbers

I will give you exactly 10 minutes to admit your mistake.