Annihilation Wave takes on Blackest Night

Originally posted by the ninjak
Me too.
If the IG couldn't sway Misstress Death Thanos' way.
How could a Black Ring?
No way is BL ring stronger than IG.

I don't think I, or anyone else, argued that a black ring is going to mess with Mistress Death. Sure, it's possible -- if one could take over the Spectre, anything is possible -- but the crux of my argument would certainly not hinge upon that.

My only point is that Mistress Death - like Eternity, in fact - tends not to have any great effect on...anything. She works, mostly, through proxies, and the few times she has taken a direct hand in things have been fairly unimpressive (failing to kill Dr. Strange, for instance). Yes, she increased Thanos' natural abilities. But certainly that pales in comparison to the level of power Nekron granted Krona in "Tales of the GL Corps".

I think it's only fair that we hold her - and all cosmic characters - to the same standard that we hold any character. The Living Tribunal has proved his superiority, a number of times, to various cosmic forces. I accept his power level not only because I've been told that he's above Eternity/Death/Oblivion/Infinity, but because he's SHOWN himself to be.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the same here, since we're taking two absurdly powerful characters who serve similar roles and similar functions in their respective universes and putting them up against each other.

No?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You know, if you keep telling youself something over and over again, it wont become true to the world. Maybe in your sick brains it will

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them have real combat feats worth mentioning but Nekron is a force with influence over all Universes in the DC multiverse (including Earth Prime, it seems) while Death is but the Death of one Universe (616).

what does any of this have to do with how they would fare in a fight?

Monarch was trying to mess with the multiverse but that doesn't mean he beats the ig in a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jlxxking I wish you would respond to my arguments and not me personally. It shows me I am inside your head and that you take this stuff far too personally.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them have real combat feats worth mentioning but Nekron is a force with influence over all Universes in the DC multiverse (including Earth Prime, it seems) while Death is but the Death of one Universe (616).

I really don't think that is necessarily accurate. Alexander Luthor was able to go to Earth Prime because Alexander Luthor had the ability to traverse various dimensions, I think.

But even so, Nekron, with far fewer showings, has proven capable of destroying the main DC Universe just by entering it. Universal destruction as a byproduct. And empowering beings to a level more powerful than 1,000 GL's, killing Guardians left and right (in a story in which the Guardians were helping to maintain the structural integrity of the universe at large, due to Nekron's actions).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jlxxking I wish you would respond to my arguments and not me personally. It shows me I am inside your head and that you take this stuff far too personally.

Owning the Walker.

what does any of this have to do with how they would fare in a fight?

Monarch was trying to mess with the multiverse but that doesn't mean he beats the ig in a fight.

Also, Walker is a good example of her being fairly ineffective. It was only when she was merged with Marlo's will that she had the initiative to do ANYTHING, and even then Walker specifically says that Death had no dominion over him. All she did was release all the souls he had been carrying with him. It makes sense that she would have greater control over souls than a minor death god.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Personally, I find you as a funny poster. I don't know why, but your post remind me of people who are in denial and just keep hitting their keyboard with their head. That's who I picture you as.

Originally posted by Desaad
I really don't think that is necessarily accurate. Alexander Luthor was able to go to Earth Prime because Alexander Luthor had the ability to traverse various dimensions, I think.

But even so, Nekron, with far fewer showings, has proven capable of destroying the main DC Universe just by entering it. Universal destruction as a byproduct. And empowering beings to a level more powerful than 1,000 GL's, killing Guardians left and right (in a story in which the Guardians were helping to maintain the structural integrity of the universe at large, due to Nekron's actions).

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Owning Walker really doesn't matter. That's not a feat, that's something to be expected of a universal abstract. Its like pulling up a scan of Superman opening a pickle jar as a strength feat, its something to be expected.
Nekron's place in the horribly complex and confusing DC hierarchy seems to be above the Spectre and below the Presence, perhaps on a similar level to Mandrakk. He empowered Scar who was able to own the collective Guardians (minus Ganthet and Sayd) easily as well as imprison the Anti-Monitor (admittedly a weakened one).

If you read about the walker then you'd realize your reasoning and logic are off yet again.

Sneaking around and then surprising the dc universe with tons of troops and using the once dead heroes against them isn't as impressive as you might think.

What has Nekron done combat wise to suggest he has any business taking on death?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I picture you as some little kid who sneaks off at work to post incomplete sentences not knowing enough about the characters but texting away regardless.

Killing guardians isn't something very high up on the power scale.

Why doesn't it? the walker had power off the charts and enough for Thanos to get involved. Death only showed off her stuff when Thanos set up the situation for her to act. It was a showing which showed how powerful she is.

If you read about the walker then you'd realize your reasoning and logic are off yet again.

Sneaking around and then surprising the dc universe with tons of troops and using the once dead heroes against them isn't as impressive as you might think.

What has Nekron done combat wise to suggest he has any business taking on death?

Originally posted by Desaad
Also, Walker is a good example of her being fairly ineffective. It was only when she was merged with Marlo's will that she had the initiative to do ANYTHING, and even then Walker specifically says that Death had no dominion over him. All she did was release all the souls he had been carrying with him. It makes sense that she would have greater control over souls than a minor death god.

Due to their location she had no dominion over him.... HERE. It wasn't due to him personally. You need to bring your a game when dealing with me.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The extent to which he empowered Krona>>>>>>>the way Death empowered Thanos.

Nekron is a rep of Death, he can't fully be defeated.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nekron is a rep of Death, he can't fully be defeated.

Who knows? But it would probably be a stalemate.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Who knows? But it would probably be a stalemate.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Who knows? But it would probably be a stalemate.

Do you really think they won't defeat Nekron at the end of blackest night?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So neither side can win the thread?

Do you really think they won't defeat Nekron at the end of blackest night?

I think if anything, Nekron will be BFRed through plot device. Geoff Johns alluded to him evolving beyond just being an evil cosmic villain, but more of a force of nature.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They may only banish him, he's never been defeated in any other way in the past.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think if anything, Nekron will be BFRed through plot device. Geoff Johns alluded to him evolving beyond just being an evil cosmic villain, but more of a force of nature.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They may only banish him, he's never been defeated in any other way in the past.

Thats the way it seems to me as well. Interesting they haven't shown the front page of the last 2 BN books and the next few GL and GL Corps books, can't wait. 📖

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They may only banish him, he's never been defeated in any other way in the past.

The only one who could banish him was Presence. Unless this has been retconned.