^ I looked at both. Neither had any scan where Superman Prime said he was "immune" to magic. That's what you led me to believe. But glad we cleared that up.
In any case, I'm sure a lot of things "tickle" Superman-Prime. But let me ask you this as an initial question... if King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Right, because immunity is the only word that means the same thing. "Magic doesn't hurt me", etc, is not a case of immunity as it doesn't say 'immune'. Great logic. 👆
^ I looked at both. Neither had any scan where Superman Prime said he was "immune" to magic. That's what you led me to believe. But glad we cleared that up.In any case, I'm sure a lot of things "tickle" Superman-Prime. But let me ask you this as an initial question... if King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?
I can't judge hypothical cases as they haven't happened word for word in comics. 🙂
^ A lot of things can't hurt Superman Prime. Heat. Cold. Poison. Paper-cuts. That doesn't mean he's "immune" to them.
K. So in other words, you're conflating "not being vulnerable" with the concept of "immunity." By all means, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Thought you were speaking of some instance where he said he was "immune." But again... glad we cleared that up.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ A lot of things can't hurt Superman Prime. Heat. Cold. Poison. Paper-cuts. That doesn't mean he's "immune" to them.K. So in other words, you're conflating "not being vulnerable" with the concept of "immunity." By all means, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Thought you were speaking of some instance where he said he was "immune." But again... glad we cleared that up.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Right, which is why he makes a stance against magic everytime it's used. I'm sure Mordu would have done more than tickle him had his power been something other than magic, but then, I'd be assuming... yes, assuming...
^ A lot of things can't hurt Superman Prime. Heat. Cold. Poison. That doesn't mean he's "immune" to them.K. So in other words, you're conflating "not being vulnerable" to "immunity." By all means, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Were those my exact words/conclusion? Because I don't think they were. Proof?
The funny thing is, that all this wordplay is just distracting from magic doing nothing against Prime in comics.
^ Because sufficient heat attacks have hurt him.
Your exact words/conclusion are that he is "immune" to magic. If you think I'm putting words into your mouth, then by all means clarify your position by answering my questions. The first, "If King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?"
A lot of things didn't do anything to Cap's shield. Doesn;t mean it's immune to those things. Which again... is the point.
To compare an Shield to an Character is a pretty bad example IMHO. Yes, KT hitting SBP would seem more effective at first, like Black Adams punches, but not enough effective imo.
Yeah, BA's punches and Modrus magic might be not able to destroy Cap's shield (- might - depends on the writer) but that doesn't mean that an blast from Thor would do the same damage to SB as it did to the shield.
Though I bet SBP could rip caps shield apart. WRITTEN to his best.
Cap's shield is a shield for crying out loud. The writers are damn creative about the things it can do, you know. An living being takes damage in a different way. And SBP tanked blasts and punches from Monarch, even when the amp was "almost" gone he took the U-destroying blast. Anyway, it really doesn't matter if an dead object is more durable then an living person in a comic, it's only important to know if SBP magic resistance is good enough for him to take KT best shots without real damage and judging from the Modru, BA appearances it seems to be that good. He doesn't have to be completly immune, a high resistance is more then enough.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You just destroyed your own example then. And ignored the question.
^ Because sufficient heat attacks have hurt him.Your exact words/conclusion are that he is "immune" to magic. If you think I'm putting words into your mouth, then by all means clarify your position by answering my questions. The first, "If King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?"
A lot of things didn't do anything to Cap's shield. Doesn;t mean it's immune to those things. Which again... is the point.
It wasn't because of the 'not vunerable' thing though, like you led me to believe. You have misled me sir.
I wouldn't doubt it would tickle. It's not like a smack is that hard.
Shield = really hard object with no immunities. 🙂
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI understand. I pretty much fully agree with you. Superman Prime tanked blasts/punches from a guy that contained the power to destroy a universe. Which is why I think he has enough durability that him being "tickled" by magic attacks that he isn't especially vulnerable to, is consistent with him just being insanely durable.
Cap's shield is a shield for crying out loud. The writers are damn creative about the things it can do, you know. An living being takes damage in a different way. And SBP tanked blasts and punches from Monarch, even when the amp was "almost" gone he took the U-destroying blast. Anyway, it really doesn't matter if an dead object is more durable then an living person in a comic, it's only important to know if SBP magic resistance is good enough for him to take KT best shots without real damage and judging from the Modru, BA appearances it seems to be that good. He doesn't have to be completly immune, a high resistance is more then enough.
But there are few things that are more durable than Cap's shield. And Superman Prime was hurt by things that wouldn't have done crap to Cap's shield. And King Thor nonchalantly destroyed Cap's shield. Hence, my position.
Originally posted by BlanketExcept, we don't know what sufficient magic would do to Superman Prime.
You just destroyed your own example then. And ignored the question.It wasn't because of the 'not vunerable' thing though, like you led me to believe. You have misled me sir.
I wouldn't doubt it would tickle. It's not like a smack is that hard.Shield = really hard object with no immunities.
Which leads me to the same initial question (the first of several), "If King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?"
The same could be said of Superman Prime... which is the point.
At ODG
How is that an argument? We don't know what it would do? I didn't know we argued based on future events, because as of right now... nothing.
I thought I just answered that.
Replace 'no immunities' with 'magic immunity', and the same can be said of him. Otherwise, we speculate that 'Magic can't hurt me' actually means 'I don't know why I singled out magic, but what I meant to say was that blasts or in your case, a sword can not hurt me as I am too durable for that.'
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I understand. I pretty much fully agree with you. Superman Prime tanked blasts/punches from a guy that contained the power to destroy a universe. Which is why I think he has enough durability that him being "tickled" by magic attacks that he isn't especially vulnerable to, is consistent with him just being insanely durable.But there are few things that are more durable than Cap's shield. And Superman Prime was hurt by things that wouldn't have done crap to Cap's shield. And King Thor nonchalantly destroyed Cap's shield. Hence, my position. Except, we don't know what sufficient magic would do to Superman Prime.
Which leads me to the same initial question (the first of several), "If King Thor smacked Superman Prime with Mjolnir... would it tickle?"
The same could be said of Superman Prime... which is the point.
Cap's Shield, as already said is an dead object, it's easier to handle it in a comic then an living being. That said, SBP was hurt by things that wouldn't do crap to the shield, this might be true in some cases but in this case it's quite the contrary. The shield was destroyed by an MAGICAL attack of an Skyfather being while SBP was tickled by the blasts of another.
With that fact in mind, the Shield destroyed by an magical blast, don't forget the magic nature of the attack, the answer is pretty easy. The smack from KT would make SBP bleed a little bit, because of the strength of the blow, but the magic which would be fatal to the shield would only tickle SBP. So KT hit though annoying would lack the magic boost to do some serious damage to prime.
^ If we compare what Cap's shield has taken without ill effect and what Superman Prime has taken without ill effect, I'd daresay your conclusions are incorrect.
Originally posted by BlanketAt Blanket
At ODGHow is that an argument? We don't know what it would do? I didn't know we argued based on future events, because as of right now... nothing.
I thought I just answered that.
Replace 'no immunities' with 'magic immunity', and the same can be said of him. Otherwise, we speculate that 'Magic can't hurt me' actually means 'I don't know why I singled out magic, but what I meant to say was that blasts or in your case, a sword can not hurt me as I am too durable for that.'
No. This is the crux of the argument. Because you're assuming that magic, of whatever sufficient measure or amplitude, would be utterly useless against Superman Prime. Don't project the "futurity of possibilities" criticism at me when you're the one already assuming that King Thor's attack would be useless. This future result is what I am contending with, by measuring whether your assessment that Superman Prime is utterly "immune" is reliable or not.
So King Thor smacking Superman Prime with Mjolnir would tickle. Ok, second question, "If Juggernaut smacked Superman Prime in the face... would it tickle?"
Only, everybody and their mother knew that Superman was vulnerable to magic, hence... there is a perfectly valid reason why he would say "Magic can't hurt me."