War and Link vs Kratos, Bayonetta and Dante

Originally posted by Burning thought
You mean vampires and Demi-Gods but I dont need to now I have my example. The its all common sense anyway. Its like me saying the "Golden Goddesses" have human durability and strength.

You don't have anything. Link's feat was said to be toonforce because it "defied physics" on the ground that Link has no reason to possess that durability. Dante, Kain and Kratos' feats are all toonforce unless they have statements that being a demon, a vampire, and a demi-god grant them these abilities.

Don't hate me, hate your logic.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You don't have anything. Link's feat was said to be toonforce because it "defied physics" on the ground that Link has no reason to possess that durability. Dante, Kain and Kratos' feats are all toonforce unless they have statements that being a demon, a vampire, and a demi-god grant them these abilities.

Don't hate me, hate your logic.

my logic is perfect, your just confused because you think Link having a golden triangle which has no gauge on its power is going to enhance him. And is comparable to demonic enhancement.

By your logic, the Golden Goddesses are human level in durability/strength/speed etc

You are still ignoring the point. Look over your older posts, that was your argument. The only difference is now it has had the same result when applied to the characters you support, which in your mind changes everything and makes it all "common sense."

My logic? This is your logic, BT, not mine. My logic says the pillar feat is legit. Yours says it was toonforce.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You are still ignoring the point. Look over your older posts, that was your argument. The only difference is now it has had the same result when applied to the characters you support, which in your mind changes everything and makes it all "common sense."

My logic? This is your logic, BT, not mine. My logic says the pillar feat is legit. Yours says it was toonforce.

Legit based on Link gaining strength from sources not stated? 🙄 and no thats your logic, your cliaming without statements these entities regardless of whom they are or the powers they have displayed are as weak as humans. my source I just posted proves Demons are superhuman.

Also what feats in the same game that Link lifts the pillar give him durability/strength throughout his whole body?

You are not reading correctly. I'll list it.

1) Your argument against Link's pillar feat was that it was toonforce.
2) The reason it was toonforce was that Link had no reason he could have handled the downwards force from the weight of the pillar.
3) Hylians are not stated to have these super human abilities.
4) I applied this to the characters you support.
5) I found that Demi-Gods, Demons, and Vampires have not been stated to have these powers. Dante does have these powers and he's stated to have super human abilities, but they are not stated to be the result of his Demonness.
6) By the logic presented in your argument, Dante's feats are toonforce, as they have no logical reason behind them.
7) This means that Kain and Kratos are also toonforce characters, as them being a vampire and a demi-god has not been stated to grant them anything.

Technicalities suck, right? Be consistent.

See above.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You are not reading correctly. I'll list it.

1) Your argument against Link's pillar feat was that it was toonforce.
2) The reason it was toonforce was that Link had no reason he could have handled the downwards force from the weight of the pillar.
3) Hylians are not stated to have these super human abilities.
4) I applied this to the characters you support.
5) I found that Demi-Gods, Demons, and Vampires have not been stated to have these powers. Dante does have these powers and he's stated to have super human abilities, but they are not stated to be the result of his Demonness.
6) By the logic presented in your argument, Dante's feats are toonforce, as they have no logical reason behind them.
7) This means that Kain and Kratos are also toonforce characters, as them being a vampire and a demi-god has not been stated to grant them anything.

Technicalities suck, right? Be consistent.

See above.

1. Toonforce/non legit due to breaking physics

2. He had no durability feats to compare his body to doing this, nor any powers above human in his whole body that would enhance him.

3. They have never shown, stated or used superhuman abilities. unlike vampires, demons, Gods etc

4. not really, you just assumed all entities were of human durability to begin with.

5. Irrelevent point, if hes stated to be this strong then its irrelevent why.

6. They are logical because he is superhuman, why is irrelevant because the developers give him the exception, any DMC player knows its because he is a demon but if your going to play silly bugger, the developer quote is perfect.

7. Nah, they have similiar feats that consistently show their powers, they have the supernatural and demi-god exceptions, Link has none.

8. Your going about this all the wrong way and playing silly bugger to try and prove a point youve gotten confused.

No no no, see, you're treating those like they are separate points. They are the steps that were taken in the turnaround of your toonforce argument. Read them again, I know you can understand them.

Oh wait, that was the silly-bugger comment. Okay, you can have a few minutes to come up with something new.

''[About humans] There bodies lack the physical abilities of a demon'' Dante to Agnus (DMC4)
*jumps back out of Moo/BT argument*

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No no no, see, you're treating those like they are separate points. They are the steps that were taken in the turnaround of your toonforce argument. Read them again, I know you can understand them.

Oh wait, that was the silly-bugger comment. Okay, you can have a few minutes to come up with something new.

Nah, I corrected your points, you have just goofed. Bloodrain just trumped you as well, 2 trumps against your argument.

The humans think it is a poison of the blood that makes us what we are. Fools, the blood only feeds the bodies we live in. To create a vampire, one must steal a soul from the abyss to reanimate the corpse. It is the body that demands the blood sacrifice; our souls gain their advantage from the powers of the underworld. As we matured, our earthly bodies evolved into a higher form.

now three.

Nah, I corrected your points, you have just goofed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Godamnit, stop saying things I say. The more you use my stuff. "lulz" "goofed", ect, the more you start to sound like me, without improving your logic enough to be me, and I have to change my mannerisms to avoid association.

I said goofed before you, you only recently said goofed in the other thread. And i "lol" at improving my logic to be you, maybe after talking with Moo long enough my logic will topple and then I will be similair to you but until then be safe within your individual limitations of the mind.

I notice that in those three

s that nobody ever mentioned what abilities they were talking about. My argument stands, sirs.

Your confusing a feat with an exception. A feat is what all of these characters have (and link does not) to indicate that they have consistent strength/power beyond a normal human in their attributes.

I am talking of exceptions, the exception of being an enhanced demon, vampire etc.

Your making the exception for Link yourselves, not LOZ. The official sites and text in the respective games make their respective exceptions.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your confusing a feat with an exception. A feat is what all of these characters have (and link does not) to indicate that they have consistent strength/power beyond a normal human in their attributes.

I am talking of exceptions, the exception of being an enhanced demon, vampire etc.

Your making the exception for Link yourselves, not LOZ. The official sites and text in the respective games make their respective exceptions.

This was not your argument. You had agreed that Link had this feat, but that it was toonforce. If you wish to abandon the toonforce claim and return to denying all of Link's feats existence, then very well, I'll stop using your logic against you.

What about exceptions? This doesn't help you with anything.

Honestly the only exceptions I've seen were you saying that unless a character is stated to be superhuman they weren't and all their feats were toonforce, except for every character you support in threads.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This was not your argument. You had agreed that Link had this feat, but that it was toonforce. If you wish to abandon the toonforce claim and return to denying all of Link's feats existence, then very well, I'll stop using your logic against you.

What about exceptions? This doesn't help you with anything.

Honestly the only exceptions I've seen were you saying that unless a character is stated to be superhuman they weren't and all their feats were toonforce, except for every character you support in threads.

No, I knew this was a static value from the start, link in comparison to these other characters does not have consistent strength. one minute hes fighting skeletons and wild animals, the next hes lifting silly pillars. And Links toonforce alrite or w/e ever you call a non toon who does toonforce feats.

Exceptions is the idea that Link has strengh/durability for a canon reason. This does not exist however, you and screampaste claim he suddenly has such strength based on math behind the pillar.

more importantly, is that your all assuming LoZ has to be logical and work with math, hence why you insist that Link has tobe durable/strong enough to lift the pillar. not the case at all.

Now you are back to strength, which has a logical reason via the Golden Gauntlets, the main argument was about Link "defying physics and logic" when he was able to withstand the downwards force of the pillar. Please, keep your arguments straight.

There you go saying it again. "No canon reason." Well Dante, Kain and Kratos don't have a canon reason either. Sure they might be shown to be superhuman, but so is Link. Dante and Kain even stated to have powers humans don't, but it never mentioned which powers. Dante's could be the ability to grow horns and maybe Kain's is the ability to be so ugly his reflection doesn't want to look at him.

You are assuming the same in regards to other characters. "What's the reason Dante is so fast? HAS TO be his Demonness." "Why is Kain so butt ugly? Must be because he's a vampire."

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Now you are back to strength, which has a logical reason via the Golden Gauntlets, the main argument was about Link "defying physics and logic" when he was able to withstand the downwards force of the pillar. Please, keep your arguments straight.

There you go saying it again. "No canon reason." Well Dante, Kain and Kratos don't have a canon reason either. Sure they might be shown to be superhuman, but so is Link. Dante and Kain even stated to have powers humans don't, but it never mentioned which powers. Dante's could be the ability to grow horns and maybe Kain's is the ability to be so ugly his reflection doesn't want to look at him.

You are assuming the same in regards to other characters. "What's the reason Dante is so fast? HAS TO be his Demonness." "Why is Kain so butt ugly? Must be because he's a vampire."

The arguments are all the same, strength, durability etc none of these are consistant with link as they are with other characters.

Yes they do, I just showed you offical evidence as did Bloodrain that caononically they are superhuman. Link is not shown to be superhuman consistently like Dante is so dont even try and compare.

It does not mater does it? the fact is their power is there, the exception for whatever they are is directly stated by developers. Whats link got? a couple of fanboys shoting "zomg hez got triforce!"

Originally posted by Burning thought
The arguments are all the same, strength, durability etc none of these are consistant with link as they are with other characters.

Yes they do, I just showed you offical evidence as did Bloodrain that caononically they are superhuman. Link is not shown to be superhuman consistently like Dante is so dont even try and compare.

It does not mater does it? the fact is their power is there, the exception for whatever they are is directly stated by developers. Whats link got? a couple of fanboys shoting "zomg hez got triforce!"

Again, you are not following your own logic. Link had no REASON for this durability, according to you. And unfortunately for you Dante, Kain and Kratos do not have these reasons either. Unless of course you want to use "Has to" arguments to say that these powers of theirs come from their respective "reasons."

Yes, you did. What you did not however, is provide evidence of what super human abilities are the result. As I said, it could simply be the ability to grow horns or scare away your own reflection.

Link doesn't have anything less than what the other guys do. He's got more strength though. A lot more strength. Well, unless of course everyone's feats are toonforce.

Now open your eyes and seriously comprehend this situation, I can't keep restating this all night. I have homework that needs to be taken care of.

Order of the Sword folk doing a ritual to ascend to demons. Got powers based on either gaining demonic energy or a fighters build.

Strength: Dante>Link (imo¬¬)

Disagreed!