He has showings of him moving things typically beyond him. He does not have canon giving these feats physical legitimacy. You seem to be under the impression I am completly ignoring the feat, this is not true. I am simply ignoring your additions to the shown canon. Nothing has to be the way you want it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Dante being a demon is irrelevant for this side of the argument, the argument has two sides you see (maybe more) and both are reasons why Links feats are illegitimate especially in comparison to the 3 I champion. This part of the argument is that the fact he is canonically stated to be superhuman is all we need to make the exception that its possible he can lift things beyond his weight and normal durability and that his feats for such are belieivable. The fact he is a demon is the second half of the argument, whereby demons are known for a fact to be superior to humans by their feats, Vergil does similiar things to Dante for instance as do other demons.Link has none of these arguments, his spiecies is not canonically known to be superior to humans and his developers have not named him superhuman. If only he had one of these arguments then he may be able to take our argument to the next step but he does not.
Why would I assume Link is superhuman without any canon supporting it? 🙄
Without a statement directly saying that Dante is super human because he is a demon you are assuming that it is the reason. Such an assumption is reasonable, but no more reasonable than deducing that Link's Triforce of Courage grants him the specified durability as it is the only thing that could conceivably do so. Unless it is his Hylianness in which case that would be the reason. Why are you excluding that then? Because it isn't stated.
See above.
Again, see above.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Without a statement directly saying that Dante is super human because he is a demon you are assuming that it is the reason. Such an assumption is reasonable, but no more reasonable than deducing that Link's Triforce of Courage grants him the specified durability as it is the only thing that could conceivably do so. Unless it is his Hylianness in which case that would be the reason. Why are you excluding that then? Because it isn't stated.See above.
Again, see above.
Nah, I am assuming its the reason based on the feats provided by other demons and himself, if he was the only one to do this, we had no knowledge of what a demon is, we had no canon from the developers stating him as super human then perhaps I would figuire Dantes feats as not necesserily legitimate. your doing it again, your listing things that you think may make Link stronger, and youve not even got a canon statement that would imply he is superhuman in the first place.
Nothing canon states the triforce of courage makes him superhuman tho, nothing states him superhuman at all. Infact theres nothing reasonable that would make us believe the triforce increases his attributes other than perhaps "courage".
Your sort of ignoring/have forgotten the point of this argument. Physical legitimacy, we know the feats happen we just dont know how or why, just like how we dont know how or why Team rocket can survive being sent at incredible speeds into the sky/atmosphere, until theres legitimate canon showing Links physical exceptions chances are their not legitimiate and are not to be taken seriously.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're the one trying desperately to get your own way when blatantly wrong about a series you've never played.
hypocrite and lies. try and debate for once rather than troll please, Moocow is actually trying.....at the moment he is a good few levels above you. Try not to blunder your way into this argument until you have ascended from the primordial ooze of debating.
Ad hominem, false, pretetiousness.
^ Your post.
You're wrong, here's why:
1. Your argument hinges on several different flawed ideas; like that you have any understanding of what's going on physicly, or in the canon of Zelda.
2. Your claims are ridiculous and illogical.
3. Moo's handing you your ass, and stabbing you with your own sword atm.
^My post.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ad hominem, false, pretetiousness.
^ Your post.You're wrong, here's why:
1. Your argument hinges on several different flawed ideas; like that you have any understanding of what's going on physicly, or in the canon of Zelda.
2. Your claims are ridiculous and illogical.
3. Moo's handing you your ass, and stabbing you with your own sword atm.^My post.
You dont know what an Ad hominem is, dont try and use it please. I never even implied your argument was wrong based on your short comings.
1. This is irrelevant, your entire argument hinges on LoZ adhering to physical rules because you think it should. Bouncing gorons on lava, squeeking toonforce WW link and a lack of consistency/canon exception says otherwise.
2. Not really, yours are, a whole forum full of Nintendo fans agree with me, some who do have full knowledge of Zelda, its unfortunate I do not otherwise I could prob bring up a ton more evidence why its illogical.
3. Not quite, thats what he is saying he is doing and naturally as his "lollink" buddy you would support him even if he was completly wrong, and vice versa.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah, I am assuming its the reason based on the feats provided by other demons and himself, if he was the only one to do this, we had no knowledge of what a demon is, we had no canon from the developers stating him as super human then perhaps I would figuire Dantes feats as not necesserily legitimate. [b]your doing it again, your listing things that you think may make Link stronger, and youve not even got a canon statement that would imply he is superhuman in the first place.Nothing canon states the triforce of courage makes him superhuman tho, nothing states him superhuman at all. Infact theres nothing reasonable that would make us believe the triforce increases his attributes other than perhaps "courage".
Your sort of ignoring/have forgotten the point of this argument. Physical legitimacy, we know the feats happen we just dont know how or why, just like how we dont know how or why Team rocket can survive being sent at incredible speeds into the sky/atmosphere, until theres legitimate canon showing Links physical exceptions chances are their not legitimiate and are not to be taken seriously. [/B]
But you are still assuming. It is a logical conclusion, as is that the Triforce of Courage. Both are logical for different reasons, but you want to exclude one because you don't like Link.
The only thing I am doing is using your logic and definition of what classifies as toonforce. Now that you realize it works against you, you don't like it anymore.
Fact is, there is no canon that states Dante's reason. There is surrounding canon that suggests it, just like there is for Link.
Funny, because we don't actually know why Dante can do what he does. We only have a logical conclusion, but it is an assumption and assumptions are not allowed for either side, no matter how logical.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
But you are still assuming. It is a logical conclusion, as is that the Triforce of Courage being a logical conclusion. Both are logical for different reasons, but you want to exclude one because you don't like Link.The only thing [b]I
am doing is using your logic and definition of what classifies as toonforce. Now that you realize it works against you, you don't like it anymore.Fact is, there is no canon that states Dante's reason. There is surrounding canon that suggests it, just like there is for Link.
Funny, because we don't actually know why Dante can do what he does. We only have a logical conclusion, but it is an assumption and assumptions are not allowed for either side, no matter how logical. [/B]
But my assumptions are not important are they, Dante needs to be superhuman for his feats to ring true, the reason why at this point is irrelevant. Explain how the triforce of courage is a logical conclusion? it has no feats or reason to give him durability/strength/speed, at least my conclusion is based on feats and abilities of other demons. I assume your latching onto titles for the triforce of courage?
No your not, not at all. You did not even counter my argument your just claiming your using my logic when i just expained how your not.
There is, theres a canon statement that says he is superhuman. thats all we need, what part of "superhuman" do you not understand?. Theres surrounding canon that suggests why he is superhuman however there is no canon that suggests why Link can do any of these feats physically legitimate.
In a reasonable discussion logical assumptions can be useful, this is unfortunaltey not a reasonable discussion. Its you trying to prove me wrong by painting "BT logic" on your own broken logic and saying your using my logic.
2. Not really, yours are, a whole forum full of Nintendo fans agree with me, some who do have full knowledge of Zelda, its unfortunate I do not otherwise I could prob bring up a ton more evidence why its illogical.This one made me laugh. Three people = a site full of Nintendo fans?
3. Not quite, thats what he is saying he is doing and naturally as his "lollink" buddy you would support him even if he was completly wrong, and vice versa.I legit sent Moo Midna porn. BeinglolLink buddies does not get him special treatment.
1. This is irrelevanta massive lack of understanding is irrelevant? 😛 GJ.
and a lack of consistency/canon exception says otherwise.This is an argument with no basis in reality, an argument from ignorance, and a generally ironic statement coming from you.
Also, calling me a hypocrite IS ad hominem. You lose.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This one made me laugh. Three people = a site full of Nintendo fans?I legit sent Moo Midna porn. BeinglolLink buddies does not get him special treatment.
a massive lack of understanding is irrelevant? 😛 GJ.
This is an argument with no basis in reality, an argument from ignorance, and a generally ironic statement coming from you.
Also, calling me a hypocrite IS ad hominem. You lose.
The site is full of Nintendo fans, it just so happens 3 people who think your ruining the LoZ universe for them by adding your own nonsense decided to rebuke and destroy your argument, kinda like how a lot of people here did not agree with you.
certainly does
A massive lack of understand according to you, its not a valid argument thats relevant to the situation.
A lot of statements and drivel again, "your ignorent and it haz no basis in reality", this is not a counter/debate, as I said let Moo do the talking for now, you will only mess it up and give me more fuel.
No its not, calling you a hypocrite was not part of attacking your argument, I was just calling you one because you were being one.
Originally posted by Burning thought
But my assumptions are not important are they, Dante needs to be superhuman for his feats to ring true, the reason why at this point is irrelevant. Explain how the triforce of courage is a logical conclusion? it has no feats or reason to give him durability/strength/speed, at least my conclusion is based on feats and abilities of other demons. I assume your latching onto titles for the triforce of courage?No your not, not at all. You did not even counter my argument your just claiming your using my logic when i just expained how your not.
There is, theres a canon statement that says he is superhuman. [b]thats all we need, what part of "superhuman" do you not understand?
. Theres surrounding canon that suggests why he is superhuman however there is no canon that suggests why Link can do any of these feats physically legitimate.In a reasonable discussion logical assumptions can be useful, this is unfortunaltey not a reasonable discussion. Its you trying to prove me wrong by painting "BT logic" on your own broken logic and saying your using my logic. [/B]
Actually they are, because you assuming is unfair since we are not allowed to do the same by your logic. It's the only thing that could possibly have given him that durability, and in every game he's never done anything that impressive without it.
No, I am.
No, you need the canon statement of the reason. You are assuming that it is the reason with "has to" logic. Without a reason for him to be able to perform these feats, they are illogical and classified as toonforce. That is what you said. The surrounding canon only leads you to the assumption. I don't know what part of your own arguments you just aren't getting.
But it's not my logic, lol, it seriously is yours.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I legit sent Moo Midna porn. BeinglolLink buddies does not get him special treatment.
It's true. I'm going to kick him in the nuts for it, a lot. So he doesn't get any special treatment either.
The site is full of Nintendo fans, it just so happens 3 people who think your ruining the LoZ universe for them by adding your own nonsense decided to rebuke and destroy your argument, kinda like how a lot of people here did not agree with you.You claim they destroyed my argument, and yet they didn't. They made not one single proper argument, and Dryn actually tried to use fanfiction to support his argument.
A lot of statements and drivel again, "your ignorent and it haz no basis in reality", this is not a counter/debate, as I said let Moo do the talking for now, you will only mess it up and give me more fuel.
I hereby denyyour application to the lolloveLinkclub. 131
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually they are, because you assuming is unfair since we are not allowed to do the same by your logic. It's the only thing that could possibly have given him that durability, and in every game he's never done anything that impressive without it.No, I am.
No, you need the canon statement of the reason. You are assuming that it is the reason with "has to" logic. Without a reason for him to be able to perform these feats, they are illogical and classified as toonforce. That is what [b]you
said. The surrounding canon only leads you to the assumption. I don't know what part of your own arguments you just aren't getting.But it's not my logic, lol, it seriously is yours.
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But my argument for Dante/kains/kratos' feats are not that their spiecies is powerful, thats just the logical reason for the fact their developers tell us their superhuman. Its the only thing? based on what?
Not according to my logic I dont, according to my logic we only need the character to be superhuman to be able perform legitimate feats of this level. Its just logical that it comes from them being a demon/vampire etc but the assumption on why their this powerful is irrelevant. Link has nun of thiz!
no, your not getting my argument:
This is why Links feats are illigitimate: No canon superhuman power, no reason to be superhuman, no logical explanation for his power, nothing from his developers or consistent feat list of hylians that would explain his power.
Kain, Dante, Kratos tick all these boxes and have their own canon exceptions, not the "lollovelink" clubs exceptions.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You claim they destroyed my argument, and yet they didn't. They made not one single proper argument, and Dryn actually tried to use fanfiction to support his argument.
Sounds like you have a lot in common with all of them especially Dryn durlaugh
Originally posted by Burning thought
But my argument for Dante/kains/kratos' feats are not that their spiecies is powerful, thats just the logical reason for the [b]fact their developers tell us their superhuman. Its the only thing? based on what?Not according to my logic I dont, according to my logic we only need the character to be superhuman to be able perform legitimate feats of this level. Its just logical that it comes from them being a demon/vampire etc but the assumption on why their this powerful is irrelevant. Link has nun of thiz!
no, your not getting my argument:
This is why Links feats are illigitimate: no reason to be superhuman.
Kain, Dante, Kratos tick all these boxes and have their own canon exceptions, not the "lollovelink" clubs exceptions.
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Which is an assumption and unfair. According to you they need a reason stated. They don't have one. They are stated to be superhuman, I haven't denied that. But without a reason, it's all toonforce.
Then according to what you currently claim is your logic Link is superhuman. He has the fact that he is a Hylian and the Triforce of Courage. Both are logical assumptions with the Triforce being the better option.
No, I am. You are not getting your arguments.
That is all also the reason Dante, Kain and Kratos' feats are illegitimate.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Which is an assumption and unfair. According to [b]you they need a reason stated. They don't have one. They are stated to be superhuman, I haven't denied that. But without a reason, it's all toonforce.Then according to what you currently claim is your logic Link is superhuman. He has the fact that he is a Hylian and the Triforce of Courage. Both are logical assumptions with the Triforce being the better option.
No, I am. You are not getting your arguments.
That is all also the reason Dante, Kain and Kratos' feats are illegitimate. [/B]
They have a reason stated for their feats, superhuman. No you dont understand, they needed a reason for their feats to be legitimate, their superhuman therefore thats their reason.
no because no canon states Link is superhuman unlike the 3. Being hylian or having the triforce of courage is irrelevant since neither have evidence to suggest it helps him in any way, being demon to Dante on the other hand can be helpful to Dante, or Vampire to Kain because their consistently portrayed with feats, Hylians are not.
They have the superhuman status as canon.
Originally posted by Burning thought
They have a reason stated for their feats, superhuman. No you dont understand, they needed a reason for their feats to be legitimate, their superhuman therefore thats their reason.[b]no
because no canon states Link is superhuman unlike the 3. Being hylian or having the triforce of courage is irrelevant since neither have evidence to suggest it helps him in any way, being demon to Dante on the other hand can be helpful to Dante, or Vampire to Kain because their consistently portrayed with feats, Hylians are not.They have the superhuman status as canon. [/B]
They have no reason to be superhuman. That was the argument against Link, that's the argument against Dante, Kain and Kratos. Don't try and change it now.
There is cause for a logical assumption, just like there is for the other three.
Yeah, but they lack a reason for that status. Therefore feats = toonforce.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
They have no reason to be superhuman. That was the argument against Link, that's the argument against Dante, Kain and Kratos. Don't try and change it now.There is cause for a logical assumption, just like there is for the other three.
Yeah, but they lack a reason for that status. Therefore feats = toonforce.
No reason apart from the canon developer statement right..... 🙄
No, Link has no canon superhuman strength that his developers have pointed out, the reason is what we go to when we dont have a canon statement. So far Dante/Kain/Kratos have this exception, Link does not so their through on legitimacy. Link still is not.
Not true, they dont need a reason other than a developer stating they are, Link needs a reason just because he has no developer or canon info that would imply he is this strong. Nor does he have the several other things I mensioned.