So, all this seems to point to Link being enhanced by the Triforce of Courage. So, my question, is just how does this piece enhance Link physically? After all, the Triforce of Power granted Ganondorf great physical and magical power. Zelda was apparently gifted with Wisdom. Wouldn't it follow that Link was given Courage?
So, to restate my question, how does Courage enhance a fellow physically? It seems more of an enhancement of will and bravery rather than an enhancement of bodily strength. Thoughts?
So, all this seems to point to Link being enhanced by the Triforce of Courage. So, my question, is just how does this piece enhance Link physically? After all, the Triforce of Power granted Ganondorf great physical and magical power. Zelda was apparently gifted with Wisdom. Wouldn't it follow that Link was given Courage?So, to restate my question, how does Courage enhance a fellow physically? It seems more of an enhancement of will and bravery rather than an enhancement of bodily strength. Thoughts?
Zelda has great magical power, enough to pin down Ganon, who has the triforce of power. (albeit temporarily, her powers are mostly utilitarian, shapeshifting for example.)
Link gained retard strength, magical protection from corruption. (It's why he turns into a wolf rather than a twilight beast or a spirit, for example.), reflexes, and durability.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI understand Zelda's increase in magical power. This seems to flow logically from an enhancement of wisdom, and Ganon's enhancements naturally make sense.
The pieces of the triforce go to people who exemplify them, but they all grant power.Zelda has great magical power, enough to pin down Ganon, who has the triforce of power. (albeit temporarily, her powers are mostly utilitarian, shapeshifting for example.)
Link gained retard strength, magical protection from corruption. (It's why he turns into a wolf rather than a twilight beast or a spirit, for example.), reflexes, and durability.
The magical protection for Link kinda makes sense, since bravery/will/courage is classically involved in resisting certain magical spells. I'm not sold on the Triforce of Courage being a source for physical enhancements. Did I miss a game or story source for this somewhere?
The magical protection for Link kinda makes sense, since bravery/will/courage is classically involved in resisting certain magical spells. I'm not sold on the Triforce of Courage being a source for physical enhancements. Did I miss a game or story source for this somewhere?Since it's stated reptitively in TP, WW, and OoT to grant him powers, I'd say so.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI don't deny that it grants him powers, but to say that it is the source of any superhuman attributes outside the realm of Courage seems a stretch, unless I've missed a source among the games you've mentioned. Has it been stated that the Triforce enhances his strength, reflexes, and durability?
Since it's stated reptitively in TP, WW, and OoT to grant him powers, I'd say so.
I don't deny that it grants him powers, but to say that it is the source of any superhuman attributes outside the realm of Courage seems a stretch,Wait, wait, stop.
unless I've missed a source among the games you've mentioned. Has it been stated that the Triforce enhances his strength, reflexes, and durability?It's stated to make him powerful, how so is left to be imagined by his numerous showings of being superhuman. Y'know, all those crazy feats? Throwing Gorons with unenhanced strength, shoosting targets less than an inch in size at around a mile's distance, sword locking with Ganondorf? (and winning), also without any amps. Being fired at the ground out of a cannon, so on and so forth.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt was the best statement to get my thought across. And I have to disagree with your second statement. The ability to act decisively in the face of any terror and against any will would be an incredible power for anyone. What good would wielding the might of the Triforce of Power be if you're a coward? What good would wielding Wisdom be if you have no strong convictions about how to use your knowledge and insight? Courage would provide these things.
Wait, wait, stop.
What is the "realm of courage"? This is pretty nonquantifiable to start with, and being SUPAR BRAVE is why he got the triforce to begin with, to make him supar brave-er, would be incredibly redundant. It's also hard to describe SUPAR BRAVENESS as "absolute power".
Note, these are just my thoughts based on what we've been officially told about the Triforce pieces. They aren't meant to be taken as canon fact.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteGranted, but couldn't one equally imagine these feats to be the result of him being above-human to begin with, or by possessing certain magical items? Is there an official statement that the ToC grants Link his physical enhancements, or is this speculation?
It's stated to make him powerful, how so is left to be imagined by his numerous showings of being superhuman.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeYou're welcome, however, the only thing that I'm convinced about just now is that the Triforce of Courge grants Link its namesake, and the potential to resist certain forms of magic because of it.
Acrosurge, I want to thank you for reading all those posts and being able to understand what I was arguing. It lets me know that I wasn't explaining it all so terribly.
There seems to some confusion on the cause --> effect tree. Link got the Triforce of Courage because he was ridiculously brave and courageous. He was not ridiculously brave and courageous because he got the Triforce of Courage.
The Triforce works on intent. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power not because he was powerful, but because power is what he most believed in. When it split, it sought out Zelda and Link, because they represented Wisdom and Courage, respectively.
It was the best statement to get my thought across. And I have to disagree with your second statement. The ability to act decisively in the face of any terror and against any will would be an incredible power for anyone. What good would wielding the might of the Triforce of Power be if you're a coward? What good would wielding Wisdom be if you have no strong convictions about how to use your knowledge and insight?
There seems to some confusion on the cause --> effect tree. Link got the Triforce of Courage because he was ridiculously brave and courageous. He was not ridiculously brave and courageous because he got the Triforce of Courage.
Granted, but couldn't one equally imagine these feats to be the result of him being above-human to begin with,Well, we do, but we're trapping BT with his own incredibly terrible and flawed argument.
or by possessing certain magical items?Coughtriforceofcouragecough.
Really, the triforce does it, or he's just innately awesome. 😐
Is there an official statement that the ToC grants Link his physical enhancements, or is this speculation?
Would you also like a statement on 1+1=2? 😐
Originally posted by The ScenarioThanks for the clarity, Scenario. It makes a good deal of sense, though I guess my initial question remains: What exactly does a piece of the Triforce do for its wielder? Are there canon statements that lay this out, or are we bound to murky speculation?
There seems to some confusion on the cause --> effect tree. Link got the Triforce of Courage because he was ridiculously brave and courageous. He was not ridiculously brave and courageous because he got the Triforce of Courage.The Triforce works on intent. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power not because he was powerful, but because power is what he most believed in. When it split, it sought out Zelda and Link, because they represented Wisdom and Courage, respectively.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteWoah, woah, woah. Point your Master Sword somewhere else! 🙂
Well, we do, but we're trapping BT with his own incredibly terrible and flawed argument.Coughtriforceofcouragecough.
Really, the triforce does it, or he's just innately awesome. 😐
Lemme see. It's stated as being directly responsible for his power in OoT. His power includes these things.
Would you also like a statement on 1+1=2? 😐
I'm just trying to focus the subjects being tossed around here and answer some questions of my own.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It seems to me that "absolute power" means Superhuman. Similarly to how you assume Kain's "dark gifts" mean the same.Except now Link has everything needed to be Superhuman. A reason, the feats, and the statement.
Kains dark gifts, vampirism and power of the underworld are backed up by feats from other vampires, not just Kain himself (who never defies physics anyway). Also "absolute power" is hyperbole.
No, Ascourge just pointed out another flaw, it only claims "power", nothing about being superhuman and its also not necesserily credible as its from an in-game character not a manuel or developer website. Zelda and Ganon are not omniscient and they can be wrong/lie.
I think its funny how while my 3 have actual evidence, mostly canon while you guys are stressing still on "it has to be the triforce"
Theres nothing stopping Links strength/durability ot being non legit.
We know it protects him from magic, at the very least. Whenever someone enters the Twilight Realm, they become a spirit.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kains dark gifts, vampirism and power of the underworld are backed up by feats from [b]other vampires, not just Kain himself (who never defies physics anyway). Also "absolute power" is hyperbole.No, Ascourge just pointed out another flaw, it only claims "power", nothing about being superhuman and its also not necesserily credible as its from an in-game character not a manuel or developer website. Zelda and Ganon are not omniscient and they can be wrong/lie.
I think its funny how while my 3 have actual evidence, mostly canon while you guys are stressing still on "it has to be the triforce"
Theres nothing stopping Links strength/durability ot being non legit. [/B]
What other vampires?
I wonder who writes the dialogue for in-game characters. And besides, wasn't one of your defenses for Dante being superhuman a statement from him in-game? "Their human bodies lack the powers of a demon" or something like that. You're still lacking consistency.
I'm not stressing on anything. We now have statements that say it. Isn't that what we needed? You better get cracking on finding some for your three.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What other vampires?I wonder who writes the dialogue for in-game characters. And besides, wasn't one of your defenses for Dante being superhuman a statement from him in-game? "Their human bodies lack the powers of a demon" or something like that. You're still lacking consistency.
I'm not stressing on anything. We now have statements that say it. Isn't that what we needed? You better get cracking on finding some for your three.
Sebastion and his speed, Marcus and his mental prowess, Magnus and his strength, Voradors powers and magic and Raziel who kain can overpower also shows many feats, there are numbers of kains own spiecies showing feats to further legitimise vampires being superior to human as well as statements.
The developers do not have to write their characters to be correct I am afraid, not all charactera are written to be all knowing. No....my argument is the developer offical quote on his website, i think that was bloodrains.
Have canon statements, sowwy 😄 now your just spamming and ignoring evidence. You have falliable statements that are vague, its not the same as Dantes canon info pointing out him being superhuman.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Sebastion and his speed, Marcus and his mental prowess, Magnus and his strength, Voradors powers and magic and Raziel who kain can overpower also shows many feats, there are numbers of kains own spiecies showing feats to further legitimise vampires being superior to human as well as statements.The developers do not have to write their characters to be correct I am afraid, not all charactera are written to be all knowing. No....my argument is the developer offical quote on his website, i think that was bloodrains.
Have canon statements, sowwy 😄 now your just spamming and ignoring evidence. You have falliable statements that are vague, its not the same as Dantes canon info pointing out him being superhuman.
Too bad they don't have reasons like we do.
I'm not understanding why Ganondorf would lie, or why the developers would intentionally put incorrect information in the game when it doesn't change the outcome at all. Maybe if the information was a big part of the plot and lead Link to do something he shouldn't have, but it isn't. Of course that's an assumption, and those aren't allowed no matter how logical, right?
Falliable isn't a word. Stop using it. The word you want is Fallible. Except Dante's feats are toonforce since he doesn't have a stated reason to be superhuman. Logical assumptions are not allowed BT.