Post #6
Firstly: Our Opponents
I'm getting sick and tired of the tone of this battle.
I'm making fun of their arguments, sure, but I'm being treated to genuine personal insults and overall dickery.
That being said, I'd like to take a moment to focus on exactly the style of debating that our opponents are engaging in. Not that I think that the judges can't figure it out for themselves, but consider it a venting process:
It was disclosed to me that prior to our battle, Id submitted a write-up to Batdude, and had it subsequently revoked.
The reason?
Id attempted to use a tactic against us that had been banned in a previous round, hoping (for some reason) that it would suddenly be rendered legal.
It was apparently quite a minor portion of the post, but they then insisted on using the excuse of this ALREADY BANNED TACTIC to utilize a whole day (after having had loads of time to write up a prep post, pretty much a week since the previous matches ended) to mull this over and re-write their entire strategy.
Immediately upon entering the battle, their primary attack was also proven illegal as they attempted to do something specifically forbade by Kahn.
Batdude banned it. Their response?
They claim that they can do it regardless, because they created the thing anyways. Now they're not intending to use it to create a black hole, but since they have it, they can use it, right?
No. For f*cks sakes. That's like banning Tony Stark from using the nuke that he retrieved during prep to blow up the mountains that he's fighting in for strategy, then having Tony say "well, I no longer have a plan to blow up the mountains, but I guess I'll set off this nuke anyways. it'll still blow up the mountains, but it's not my intention anymore..."
Just another attempt at loophole exploitation. I'm getting so god damn tired of it.
Additionally, once the black hole tactic was banned, they responded with yet ANOTHER illegal tactic: Surfer's board.
They now intend to capture us in Surfer's surfboard, for an insta-win.
They presumably would have mentioned this earlier, but they didn't want to push the envelope too far (too late for that I guess).
We're not allowed to matter manipulate peoples bodies, teleport their bodies, control or freeze their bodies in place. We're not allowed to mind control people, we're not allowed to possess them, we're not allowed to take control of their motor functions.
Why on earth would you be allowed to capture somebody's body in Surfer's board?
We brought this to Batdude, and he said that we should just approach the judges with it since he was tired of stalling matches with rule violations- which is true, he had previously briefly considered restarting the match due to the sh*tstorm, delays and havoc that the rule breaking from Id's team had already caused.
He told us that we should leave the judgement in (sensibly) the judges hands.
Hence this post.
Let me also recap on what my partner pointed out previously- they've also gone beyond the meshing limit.
They gave each of their teammates two high herald power sets.
Then they ADDITIONALLY gave all of them Onslaught's mental shields, Photon's physical shields, above-base strength amping, sensor cloaking, and a conduit for unlimited energy.
Note that all those are simply claims by the opposition- we will continue to provide proof that this is out of their realm of capability, but simply consider what they claim to be doing- it's the definition of character amping, and this is on top of what's been stated to be the amping cap (two high herald power sets)!
You'll also note that Id's debating style has swiftly dropped from attempting to mock what we say, and is now simply consistently referring to us with derogatory wording, names and similar desperate attempts to undermine our validity with insults.
Anyways, judges, all that I'm asking is this:
Don't be misled or fooled by what amounts to mass slander, hyperbole and rule breaking. We'll still argue every point and back up all that we say, but I just needed to get out in the open the frustration with the route that this match has taken. I want the judgements to be decided on debating skill alone, and nothing else.
Cool. Thanks for the time.
Moving on...
Id and Kandy's "Counters" for our tactics
Psychic shielding
I'm sorry, where in that scan does it say that Onslaught's shield was reflected?
She was in the middle of saying the phrase "smoke and mirrors", as you quoted, and was KO'd on the word "mirrors".
That DOESN'T indicate a reflective shield- where in the entire Onslaught debacle did he show a reflective shield?
Why didn't he use these reflective shields against Nate Grey's probing, Jean Grey's probing, or at any other instance than against a telepath whose power is like a wax candle compared to Cassandra Nova's telepathic inferno?
If the only evidence for it being reflective is her being KO'd on the phrase "mirrors" (that she was CLEARLY already about to say), then the whole claim is ludicrous.
If there is -anything- else to give the claim credit, then why was it only used against a relatively pathetic telepath?
Please. It's like seeing Captain America trip someone running, thus using their momentum against them, and then claming that he can do it to the Flash.
Just doesn't work that way, son. Get some real feats plz, or concede that Cassandra will wreck your mental shields like she has at every other instance in her entire career- she has NEVER spent more than a panel on a mental shield (I can't even think of a moment where she's paused for one), even up against the best telepaths on Marvel Earth (even when those telepaths are ridiculously amped), or the very best technology in the entire Shi'Ar empire.
Considering the vastness of both the diversity and power that the Shi'Ar wield in terms of tech and telepaths, seeing Cassandra bring their empire to its knees with telepathy alone is again far more impressive than anything that Onslaught has done telepathically.
TK on Diana
I can't argue for her, she's not my character.
I can ask for proof though- where has Onslaught demonstrated the telekinetic power to stop a woman who's fast enough to enter the speed force under her own power, and contribute a third of the strength required to move the earth?
That's base Diana by the way. Before she's given the sandals of Hermes, a gauntlet that multiplies her strength by 10, and made entirely undetectable.
I'm not arguing for her, just pointing out that she's currently powerful enough to run through planets. I'm sure Id has proof that Onslaught's TK is powerful enough to stop that kind of force though... especially when he's simultaneously being attacked mentally by a mind far more powerful than his own, and being assaulted magically by Zatanna Zatarra.
Cloaking vs. Cosmic Awareness
Since Id is such a huge fan of asking for scans-
Where, oh where, is the proof that cosmic awareness can pierce through veils like those provided by Cassandra Nova's telepathy or Zatanna's magic?
I've ranted quite a bit about how they both represent the creme de la creme of their individual categories among all the heralds, so, grouped together, their cloaking would be absolutely ridiculous.
We're constantly attacked by Id, claiming that we don't have proof, and then his only response is that they'll "just know".
It's the grouping of more powerful magic and telepathy than Surfer's ever faced down in tandem. Show me the proof.
If you don't...
You'll never find Zatanna or Cassandra.
Wonder Woman will wreck your team on her lonesome, since she'll be absolutely undetectable and can solo each of you...
But I'm sure you have proof, right? Because otherwise, you can kiss any hopes of victory goodbye...
Zatanna's Versatility
The fact that I even have to type this up is laughable.
We're talking about a woman who's able to create air, metal, weapons and armor from absolutely nothing. She's had magic strong enough to mess with the Martian Manhunter's mind, she's able to teleport around the world without saying a thing, she was able to flay the flesh from Lobo's extremely durable body, and cause him to bleed everywhere with the word "Dleeb!". She knocked an evolved Star Eater on its ass, and she spread out Aquaman's soul across the entire ocean.
She can't demagnetize some metal equipment?
I'm pretty confident that I can leave that one up to the judges...
Experience transfer
Same thing goes, really. Cassandra has forced Xavier's entire, intact psyche out of his body between panels. She's turned her mind into a psychic black hole, and she's lived for years and years on mental power and stamina alone, with her only body being attached to a sewer wall.
She's driven Shi'Ar insane with a few words, and she's mentally forced Emma to attack and wreck her entire team with a tiny portion of her mind (the smallest amount that she embedded in Emma's psyche once she found out Emma tricked her), all the while convincing Emma that Emma was leading the Hellfire Club again.
She doesn't have the skill to transfer some knowledge from the mind of a willing Zatanna though...
It actually doesn't matter, as Zatanna herself can do experience transfers-
http://img256.imageshack.us/i/file0799nd5.jpg/
Gives herself Black Canary's martial arts experience.
So, anyways, that's out of the way, but I just wanted to really illuminate the ridiculous claims that Id is making in his counter arguments (that Cassandra isn't skilled enough to perform something that's essentially elementary for telepaths, that Zatanna can't demagnetize metal...).
