personally i think there are two eternitys..
one eternity represents a single timeline/reality/universe.. ie say 616 eternity...
another...is the multi eternity...
but writers being lazy bastards as they are don't differeniate well for us...
and then we get this crap where we don't know if its 1 universe eternity appearing or the multiverse eternity appearing...
sometimes i like to discuss comics.. but you guys sometimes take things so serious.. i just disappear for a few days cause i get a headache. :-/
and there's probalby a multi oblvion and a uni oblivion too.. screw it ... the writers don't care about us readers. we just pad their pockets with money. how else do you explain someone like the beyonder changing in scope/type ability ... from a creature from the beyonder realm... to a cube being fragment.. .to an inhuman.. continuity is nothing to those bastards...
YOU HEAR ME DAN DIDIO?!AND ALL YOU OTHER WRITERS!!!
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33All the other abstracts have life spans, Oblivion does. Nothingness is always, it's forever. When the universe collapses, current Infinity will cease to exsist. When all life dies, and time stops; current Eternity will cease to exsist. When all things that can die cease to exsist, current Death will cease to exsist. All will be reborn anew when the new multiverse flares into exsistence. All the while, the same Oblivion will be there, right at the fringe as always.
Oblivion does not pre-date the prime Multiverse either,
that's just Oblivion making unsupported hyperbolic claims about himself.
When Edifice Rex was going to return the Marvel Universe to its "Cosmic Egg"
(when all matter/energy was condensed into a single infinite atom)
Oblivion was literally shivering in fear. (on panel) ... proving Oblvion is vulnerable.
This is because in this pre-Big Bang state, there was no concept idea of any kind,
and Oblivion (nothingness) is a conceptual idea.
Oblivion is a sentient entity,
who dwells within an actual realm, with actual beings in it that can interact.
Also, the reason why Oblvion doesn't interfere with cosmic threats
is simply cause he doesn't want to, no other reason.
(this is specified in his bio, and even slightly referrence in the Quasar issue
in a rare occasion where the four cornerstones interact)
Anywho, before the current Omniverse there was only the Infinity Being,
and Oblivion is not the Infinity Being, but like everyhting else, Oblvion was part of the Infinity Being.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33He's beyond Abraxas. All Abraxas does is serve his purpose.
Abraxas does not serve Oblvion
Abraxas is his own entity,
with his own selfish desires to empower himself and no one else.
In fact, Abraxas' aim was to become God,
by collapsing everything and then remaking everything according to his image.
Also, Abraxas was collapsing (destroying) reality, not nullifying it.
Remember friends, while these abstacts are just forfilling their conceptual purpose,
they also have a sentient intelligence they abide by as well,
because they embody ideas that were form from intelligence consciousnessess.
ie. Everything now came from Reed's mind, Reed is what?
He's a human being,
with all the virtues and/or flaws that conscious intelligence brings with that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oblivion does not pre-date the prime Multiverse either,
that's just Oblivion making unsupported hyperbolic claims about himself.
Do you have proof to substantiate this? I bet you don't.
When Edifice Rex was going to return the Marvel Universe to its "Cosmic Egg"
(when all matter/energy was condensed into a single infinite atom)
Oblivion was literally shivering in fear. (on panel) ... proving Oblvion is vulnerable.
Canon or not, I find it funny you would use this as evidence. I think it's quite clear that that story arc wasn't meant to be taken seriously. This is the same story where Rex gave Infinity a manicure, and she gets all girlie about it.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Do you have proof to substantiate this? I bet you don't.
No other abstract, or the LT or anyone else
has ever paid homage to Oblivon as though he's something special.
Infact, the Quasar arc makes it clear that Oblivion is equals with Infinity, Eternity/Death.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Canon or not, I find it funny you would use this as evidence. I think it's quite clear that that story arc wasn't meant to be taken seriously. This is the same story where Rex gave Infinity a manicure, and she gets all girlie about it.
Oblivion was shivering in fear, you may not enjoy that fact, but it is a fact nonetheless.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree here good friend.Abraxas does not serve Oblvion
Abraxas is his own entity,
with his own selfish desires to empower himself and no one else.In fact, Abraxas' aim was to become God,
by collapsing everything and then remaking everything according to his image.
Also, Abraxas was collapsing (destroying) reality, not nullifying it.Remember friends, while these abstacts are just forfilling their conceptual purpose,
they also have a sentient intelligence they abide by as well,
because they embody ideas that were form from intelligence consciousnessess.ie. Everything now came from Reed's mind, Reed is what?
He's a human being,
with all the virtues and/or flaws that conscious intelligence brings with that.
You're right, he doesn't serve him directly. He serves him indirectly. Destroying universes empowers Oblivion, that's all Abraxas does.
Abraxas would've never achieved his Godhood has he succeeded. If everything is destroyed, Oblivion becomes God, Infinity told us that.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33You're right, he doesn't serve him directly. He serves him indirectly. Destroying universes empowers Oblivion, that's all Abraxas does.
Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them. 🙂
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Abraxas would've never achieved his Godhood has he succeeded.
If everything is destroyed, Oblivion becomes God, Infinity told us that.
Then why wasn't he God when Sise-Neg made everything turn to nothing?
Why wasn't he God when Entropy/Genis rubbed out everything?
Why wasn't he God when Thanos/HOTI absorbed everything?
Why wasn't he God when the Alien Entity cause everything to rewind into its pre-Big Bang state?
Who know who was "God" in these instances?
The same characters above that caused this nothingness to come about, not Oblivion.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I bet you don't have proof to support Oblvion's claim,
other than Oblivon himself stating it.
(you'l also find no artistic representation of Oblvion existing in this pre-dated Multiverse either)
Not my job. I provided on panel evidence, you said it wasn't true. It's in your hands now to prove it isn't true.
No other abstract, or the LT or anyone else
has ever paid homage to Oblivon as though he's something special.
Except the Rune/SS arc. Lt set himself against Oblivion to retrieve the Infinity gems, and the best he could do was send the Surfer after them
Infact, the Quasar arc makes it clear that Oblivion is equals with Infinity, Eternity/Death.
No she doesn't. She makes it quite clear that her avatar won because of a single reason, and that the old pact is what kept things kosher between the 4 concepts.
Rex was a bafoon, this is why he made it look comedic,
but the story took place in 616, and is supported in Handbooks.Oblivion was shivering in fear, you may not enjoy that fact, but it is a fact nonetheless.
It has nothing to do with liking it or not. That story was a joke, do you remember the dialogue? The concepts/cosmics were all standing around talking like you and I do.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas doesn't serve Oblivion in any form at all.Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them. 🙂
Ok, Oblivion doesn't just have dominion over what's been nullified. If he did, he couldn't create, and command Death avatars.
Really?Then why wasn't he God when Sise-Neg made everything turn to nothing?
Why wasn't he God when Entropy/Genis rubbed out everything?
Why wasn't he God when Thanos/HOTI absorbed everything?
Why wasn't he God when the Alien Entity cause everything to rewind into its pre-Big Bang state?Who know who was "God" in these instances?
The same characters above that caused this nothingness to come about, not Oblivion.
Very obvious isn't it? In all the instances you mentioned recreation was involved.
If the universe stayed destroyed, he would be God.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Not my job. I provided on panel evidence, you said it wasn't true. It's in your hands now to prove it isn't true.
Cool.
I can bring out many statements if you'd like. 🙂
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Except the Rune/SS arc. Lt set himself against Oblivion to retrieve the Infinity gems, and the best he could do was send the Surfer after them
This arc had absolutely nothing to do with Oblivion the sentient concept.
And this comment doesn't relate to this discussion either.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33No she doesn't. She makes it quite clear that her avatar won because of a single reason, and that the old pact is what kept things kosher between the 4 concepts.
Read the issue again, the four cornerstones of reality are basically equal.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33It has nothing to do with liking it or not. That story was a joke, do you remember the dialogue? The concepts/cosmics were all standing around talking like you and I do.
This can't be argued friend.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Ok, Oblivion doesn't just have dominion over what's been nullified.
If he did, he couldn't create, and command Death avatars.
This will lead to a circle and I can't go there.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Very obvious isn't it? In all the instances you mentioned recreation was involved.
If the universe stayed destroyed, he would be God.
Simple and plain.
That aside, how long does it take for Oblivion to become God?
heck ...
Genis/Entropy and Rick conversed through the whole issue while reality did not exist.
* Infact *
The reason why Thanos re-created everything is because he didn't want to rule over a void.
(literally stated) ... so that right there kills this idea of Oblivion becoming God.
Originally posted by Mr Master
No other abstract, or the LT or anyone else
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
exacly! nulification > simpl destruction
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
actually i have to disagree on this, LT hired silver surfer to retreave the infinity gaunlet to stop oblivion, there is a scan of this.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Oblivion pre dates the multiverse, its also fact as stated on panel. 🙂
Originally posted by galactusischere
Not really, I would rather be nullified from existence, than be cut into pieces alive and then die.So?
That's like Galactus sending Surfer to find him a planet, while he can do it easily himself.As mr.master said, hyperbole, and Oblivion was defeated by snowball Iceman.
1. but is surfer using the gaunlets? not the same
2. oblivion pretended to be defeated to prove a point, he even changes to multiple beings that exist in the universe. like idiot, hunter (etc) i bet he could of change into galactus if he wanted too