Juggernaut VS

It looks to me like psycho gundam meant his comment to mean like you have to be able to overwhelm Cyttorak himself to defeat Juggernaut.

My comment was more of an ABC thing. Taboo, I know. And though I referenced Cyttorak being the Juggernaut's benefactor, it was more of a reminder that Juggernaut isn't an elder god even if he received powers from one.

The main point was to get people to consider Juggernaut is not completely invincible. If Living Tribunal can crush him in his hands using only physical force then he's not invincible. I don't think anybody would object to LT being able to do that, the way I described it. Then I tried to bring it back down to a more reasonable level of force. I went straight to the top then brought it back down. Apparently it was too confusing.

He's not completely invincible. Physically he is, but powerful magic can cause him trouble, and so can psionics.

Killing him physically, or KO'ing him physically is kind of a waste of a discussion, because it's not going to happen.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Cyttoraks power has nothing to do with it. Cain is drawing directly from Cyttorak, he's drawing from the gem. When Cyttorak created it, he imbued it with all the power it was ever going to have.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He's not completely invincible. Physically he is, but powerful magic can cause him trouble, and so can psionics.

Killing him physically, or KO'ing him physically is kind of a waste of a discussion, because it's not going to happen.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I didn't say anything about bending the laws of reality, take it down a notch. This scenario is completely physical. He's acting as a vise in the highest order. Would all the energy that has or will ever exist in the universe channeled into this vise be able to physically damage Juggernaut?

if it is strong enough to phsyically bend reality then yes... in this case, proteus can do. he literally bends reality around him. so juggernaut is FU*#ED

Originally posted by pinksushi1
So, Cyttorak's magic is not strong enough to counter reality manipulation?

i dont know, but the spells have never said anything about it. plus his magic is based on the same energy that the universe is held to gether by. so if you are separating that magic by reality warping, why couldnt they do the same to juggernaut??

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Physically invincible - as in he can't be harmed by physical damage?

yes, unless they can physically break reality. thats how much pressure would have to be applied (again this is all just theory not fact stated directly, only indirectly).

look at it this way, you can no more drop a glass of water and have it fall up than you can hit the juggernaut and damage him. his spell protects him from physical assault. it also protects him from magical, but not completely.

it doesnt however protect him from psychic *spelling* attacks, or from reality warpers (atleast again, it is indirectly hinted at, not proven).

Originally posted by KillAll
yes, unless they can physically break reality. thats how much pressure would have to be applied (again this is all just theory not fact stated directly, only indirectly).

Also, this is technically an admission that Hulk would be able to defeat Juggernaut as he would eventually become so strong that he becomes a reality warper by your word.

look at it this way, you can no more drop a glass of water and have it fall up than you can hit the juggernaut and damage him. his spell protects him from physical assault. it also protects him from magical, but not completely.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Are you implying that Juggernaut is > Cytorrak? 🤨

Is that what you got out of that??

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Physically invincible - as in he can't be harmed by physical damage?

By any reasonable means. If you want to play the LT's finger card again, then no; he's not completely physically invulnerable.

meh, d'spayre with a bit more juice could have gotten rid of the bones and head, someone stronger than him could have done it.

That wasn't physical, son.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
By any reasonable means. If you want to play the LT's finger card again, then no; he's not completely physically invulnerable.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
meh, d'spayre with a bit more juice could have gotten rid of the bones and head, someone stronger than him could have done it.

that wasnt physical and he was using MOST of juggernauts magics against him. he controlled the larger portion of the magic and he still couldnt defeat the juggernaut.