Link Vs. Nozdormu

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Sweet, sweet irony.

The following quotes are DIRECTLY copied from their source:

"Nozdormu is difficult to defeat because of his
ability to look into the corridors of time and repeat
events if they do not progress as he feels they
should. He is extremely wise and uses his insight to
determine the best course of action before proceeding. Should this fail, he simply tries again as
necessary, or uses his redo power to avoid the
encounter entirely" - S&L

"Nozdormu can alter
probabilities within the area affected by his divine
aura" - S&L

"At will, Nozdormu can choose to
redo any single combat round
after seeing its results. On his action, he
simply resets everything — as though it never
occurred — to exactly how things were on his
previous action" - S&L

"Nozdormu can
look into the future, seeking to determine the results
of a given course of action. This power is similar to a
divination, but the great wyrm can actually visualize
the desired effect with a 100% chance of success. This
ability allows him to predict events with amazing
accuracy, allowing him to mysteriously appear exactly
where he is most needed, or avoid being in a location
should enemies attempt to ambush him" - S&L

"Nozdormu lives in the Caverns of Time, a
closely guarded complex located deep in the
Tanaris Desert. Those who venture there and get
past the bronze dragon sentinels rarely emerge
unchanged. Some age, or become so youthful
they are but infants. Others are lost in time and
return decades or even centuries later. There are
even legends of some who escape the caverns
before they even enter!" - S&L

"In the early years, it is said that Deathwing's black
flight attempted to subjugate the bronze dragons. The
assault was unsuccessful, primarily because the bronze
dragons did not stay and fight as expected. His command
of time offering insight into the blacks' plans, Nozdormu
alerted his flight of the danger. The bronze dragonflight scattered to the four corners of the globe, where they
continue to monitor events" M&M

"Even Deathwing will pass into time... even he will eventually be part... of my collection..." - DotD

"A thousand screams escaped the stricken orc as Gaskal both aged and grew younger simultaneously. Gaskal's eyes bulged and his body rippled like liquid. He stretched and contracted and with a last ungodly cry, the younger orc shreveled within himself, contracting more and more until he completely vanished" - WotA

"The overpowereing presence of a dragon whose magic dwarfed his own a thousandfold sent Krasus staggering. A sensation of centuries, of great age, engulfed him. Krasus felt as if Time itself now surrounded him in all its terrible majesty" - WotA

"Nozdormu had been there in all his terrible glory, a vast dragon not of flesh, but of the golden sands of eternity" - WotA

"The great dragon had been in the throes of both battle and agony, ensnared yet also fighting to hold everything together- absolutely [b]everything. Nozdormu was both victim and savior. Trapped in all time, he also held it from falling apart. If not for the Aspect, the fabric of reality would have collapsed there and then. The world Krasus knew would have disappeared forever. It would never have even existed" - WotA

"Time will be on the night elvesss' side once again, for I grant them continued immortality, forever a chance to learn, for asss long asss the tree stands" - WotA

"We owe you a debt, Korialstrasz."
By "we," Nozdormu did not just mean the other Aspects and him. He referred also to his various selves spread through Time itself. Such was his unique nature" - WotA

"I know what you hide from her, from usss. It is my fate and curssse to know such things and be unable myssself to prevent them. Know that I now asssk for forgiveness for the wrongs I will caussse you in the future, but I mussst be what I am destined to be ... as Malygos is" - WotA.
Now this is a funny quote. It speaks of Anveena (I think), of Day of the Dragon and of Malygos insanity. Nozdormu knows. He just don't act on it.

I unfortunately do not have DotD available, so I can not bring up his feats from there. Not that I had to bring these up in the first place. You are so in the wrong in so many ways that you do not deserve to behold the might of Nozdormu. [/B]

Nozdormu is the greatest.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I highly disagree with all of you because your only arguement is "hyperbole" and some immature bashing instead of doing something useful like linking some proof of Nozdormu's feats.

Q, your credibilty is shot because you have already shown that you will lie to strengthen your argument, in this very thread no less.
BT, I know that you dont know anything about Zelda, therefore your credibility on the matter is also worthless.

Come back with some evidence and perhaps you will have an actual argument.

Side note:
Zelda (Sheik) is the 7th and leader of the sages as well as the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom, which obviously is the "omniscient" part of the "omnipotent and omniscient golden power".

So Zelda is Omniscient? This just keeps getting better! I guess that makes Link Omnicourageous and Ganondorf Omnipotent.

So if Zelda is the 7th Sage and Omniscient, Ganondorf is Omnipotent and Link is Omnicourageous. What's left for the other six Sages to be? It's not like they have anything to contribute with. You can't fight Omnipotence, you can't outwit Omniscience and no one is more courageous than the Omnicourageous one.

What are they? Spectators?

"Omnipotence" and "omniscience" is weak in the Zelda universe.

Originally posted by Rapidash What's left for the other six Sages to be?

...Omnivore?

Omnistfu.

5L, cut it out.

There's nothing to say Zelda is omniscient. The Triforce can't grant powers that the goddesses don't have, and that's one of the few they don't 😛 There's no such thing as true omnipotence in ny video game ever, to my knowledge, either. Omnipotence limitless power. There is a limit to everything.

That said, I do think Nozdormu is being slightly over-estimated, but I really don't want this thread to go on. It's going to result in a metaphysical debate full of wild mass guessing and people trying to undermine one another. Totally unhealthy.

In closing: Can't we all just get along?

What leads you to believe he is overestimated?

He kept all things from simply ceasing to have ever existed. This is a feat that span the entire universe, reality at whole, showing just how wide his powers reach. It is within the power of lesser dragons to freeze time for as long as they will, even within the capability of non-draconic mages. He has shown able to literally kill people by forcing the power of time on them. He has taken aid of copies of himself. His sandstorm required a single grain of sand to erase a person from existence.

Basically, he has not shown much but that doesn't mean he's not overpowered so much that few can compare.

I'm not claiming Link would win, to clarify, but there was a post earlier which indicated some limit on his time powers. An anomally which he could not fix, or something. Also, I may be wrong, but I read "RPG book" as a game book, such as a monster manual for a game like DnD? I might be wrong, and nerdy. But a rule for combat seems a bit shaky, is all.

That's all I mean.

You mean when he called for Korialstrasz to help? The Old Gods snared him then, disabling him from intercepting with the impending chaos. They knew Nozdormu would not let them alter the course of the War of the Ancients, so they got rid of him. What they do not seem to have known, was that it almost cost them all of existence in their attempt.

There is a limit, of course. He is destined to die. He was also obliged to focus all his attention on the rift created by the Old Gods, unabling him to interfear in the war.

As for the rule for combat, it does not really apply. It is there to provide players a chance to go up against him. Nozdormu unrestrained by mechanics and balance requirements would not go down by a bunch of roleplayers.

Limit = game developers budget.

If the quotes from OoT are hyperbole, then I agree with everyones conclusion on this fight. 'Nuff said.
However, assuming that they are not exagerrated, then what?

Also, Screampaste, I have to disagree with you. Saying the Triforce is not omnipotent or omniscient when there is clear canon statements that it is indeed those very things is a matter of your belief or disbelief in the canon, not based upon any facts. What that idea IS based on is a lack of facts, and as you know, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Just because you have never seen a bird fly doesn't mean that birds cant fly.
You are right about one thing: this is a debate of mass guessing because neither side can prove nullification.

I still think Link wins, but due to the fact that conversion seems to be an impossible and foolish endeavor, I concede this argument. Kudos to all of you except BT, who is just a hater. No hard feelings.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
What that idea IS based on is a lack of facts, and as you know, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

In many cases, it actually is. This being one of them. You are basing your statement on a quote and not a feat. Quotes and individuals are left for interpretations and are not always reliable, despite of nature. Phrasing is as important as the words spoken. Taking the extent of the English language in consideration, all Shiek might have said was that Link has the power to travel in time. She might have said more, but we have yet to see any type of proof that she did.

Flaunting that phrase of yours will not help you. It does not change things, especially with the phrase itself always being relative and

If there is a claim that you can not prove, it is to be assumed false until you have the ability to do so. Lacking evidence does not necessarily make a statement false, but it does make it unreliable and based on theory, two conclusions that does not match with a proper and reasonable debate.

But for the sake of the argument, let us assume what she says is correct. What difference would it make if Master Sword is time itself? What will Link hope to do, when he fight the master of time itself. Nozdormu has shown us his powers over time. What does Link got against him?

Originally posted by Rapidash
In many cases, it actually is. This being one of them. You are basing your statement on a quote and not a feat. Quotes and individuals are left for interpretations and are not always reliable, despite of nature. Phrasing is as important as the words spoken. Taking the extent of the English language in consideration, all Shiek might have said was that Link has the power to travel in time. She might have said more, but we have yet to see any type of proof that she did.

Flaunting that phrase of yours will not help you. It does not change things, especially with the phrase itself always being relative and

If there is a claim that you can not prove, it is to be assumed false until you have the ability to do so. Lacking evidence does not necessarily make a statement false, but it does make it unreliable and based on theory, two conclusions that does not match with a proper and reasonable debate.

But for the sake of the argument, let us assume what she says is correct. What difference would it make if Master Sword is time itself? What will Link hope to do, when he fight the master of time itself. Nozdormu has shown us his powers over time. What does Link got against him?

True, I'm basing my statements off of quotes and not feats, but the counter arguments are based on nothing at all, making them baseless. No quotes. No feats. Those arguments are based on our ignorance (not to be confused with unintelligence). That's all I'm saying.

Well, if we are taking the statements at face value like you said, Link can seal the roads between times with the Master Sword, effectively nullifying any and all time travel for both parties.

With that done, it becomes much a more physical fight. Aside from fairies reviving him (which I think counts as outside help and isn't allowed), Link has five "lives" if you will, thanks to the five dolls from AoL. These aren't like "Mario style" lives that aren't canon; these are more like a substitute, and there are only five total in existence and must be earned.

My tactic is this:

Link dons the Stone Mask, making him unnoticeable to Nozdormu. However long it takes to get to Nozdormu is now rendered irrelevant.
Once in close enough, Link fires an Ice arrow into his brain, freezing the unsuspecting dragon solid and freezing his mind or otherwise causing brain damage, or at the very least breaking the dragon's concentration, assuming he doesn't have any freeze-resisting feats (which I'm betting he does).
Link then takes the Magic Hammer and shatters the helpless dragon into pieces. This is an ability of the Magic Hammer of LttP, and is not found in the Megaton Hammer of OoT or the Skull Hammer of WW.

Other than that, Link can only evade Nozdormu at best. Since this fight is without the Trueforce, Nozzy wins. With the Trueforce, it's probably just a stalemate anyway.

Back in the hamper, 5L. You bring dishonor to our army.

Originally posted by LLLLLink

Well, if we are taking the statements at face value like you said, Link can seal the roads between times with the Master Sword, effectively nullifying any and all time travel for both parties.

Link never sealed any time roads with the Master Sword and even if he could, it would prove useless to someone who's omnipresent and/or have godly control over time.

With that done, it becomes much a more physical fight. Aside from fairies reviving him (which I think counts as outside help and isn't allowed), Link has five "lives" if you will, thanks to the five dolls from AoL. These aren't like "Mario style" lives that aren't canon; these are more like a substitute, and there are only five total in existence and must be earned.

My tactic is this:

Link dons the Stone Mask, making him unnoticeable to Nozdormu. However long it takes to get to Nozdormu is now rendered irrelevant.
Once in close enough, Link fires an Ice arrow into his brain, freezing the unsuspecting dragon solid and freezing his mind or otherwise causing brain damage, or at the very least breaking the dragon's concentration, assuming he doesn't have any freeze-resisting feats (which I'm betting he does).
Link then takes the Magic Hammer and shatters the helpless dragon into pieces. This is an ability of the Magic Hammer of LttP, and is not found in the Megaton Hammer of OoT or the Skull Hammer of WW.

Oh please, this isn't gonna stop the dragon let alone weaker characters such as Exdeath and Bayonetta. Link gets put out of existance faster than he can finish his death cry.

So the Magic Hammer can shatter ice but not the Megaton Hammer nor the Skull Hammer? I never knew the Zelda universe had such weak hammers.

Other than that, Link can only evade Nozdormu at best. Since this fight is without the Trueforce, Nozzy wins. With the Trueforce, it's probably just a stalemate anyway.

It wouldn't be any different with the "Trueforce". It didn't save Ganon from being sealed within the Dark World from a couple of knights and old men.

If Nozdormu were in Zelda, you wouldn't get a GAME OVER screen; the game will simply blackout, causing the player to press the reset button and discover that their saved data got erased.

aLttP example has been addressed already...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
aLttP example has been addressed already...

Not buying it unless either Zelda wiki has it in their timeline or if it's official.

Miyamoto said himself that OoT was a prequel to ALttP.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Miyamoto said himself that OoT was a prequel to ALttP.

Even I know that. That still doesn't make the Imprisoning War take place in OoT. Even TP is a prequel to LttP.

Now why are there no Gorons in Death Mountain and why is Ganon's castle there? Also, what happened to the ocean Zoras? Did the river Zoras kill them all?

It all fits if you view them as separate universes each with their own hero. No 1 huge timeline to make everything fit. Sure there are some similarities, but not enough to adamantly say that all the games are Linked (hahahahah) to each other

Retcons: they change things. The series has obviously evolved in the more than two decades it's been around. 😐

Link never sealed any time roads with the Master Sword...

YouTube video

2:20
Try not to lie again.

So the Magic Hammer can shatter ice but not the Megaton Hammer nor the Skull Hammer? I never knew the Zelda universe had such weak hammers.

We are talking about a frozen solid enemy, not frozen water.

It wouldn't be any different with the "Trueforce". It didn't save Ganon from being sealed within the Dark World from a couple of knights and old men.

There are two problems with this.

1) You have added some of your own idea's to the legend. This isn't some theorizing thread, only facts please.

2) It didn't save Ganon? So, I guess that now we are saying that the whole of LttP is hyperbole or otherwise not canon now? 😆

If Nozdormu were in Zelda, you wouldn't get a GAME OVER screen; the game will simply blackout, causing the player to press the reset button and discover that their saved data got erased.

YouTube video

^What happens when you fail to save the land in Zelda: MM. Time resets anyway instead of everyone being dead.

Anyway, I was talking to Rapidash. Stop spreading your lies SV.