Link Vs. Nozdormu

Originally posted by LLLLLink
[B]Link never sealed any time roads with the Master Sword...

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Try not to lie again.
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The door of time is in the Temple of Time. That's all the Master Sword ever did and can seal.

We are talking about a frozen solid enemy, not frozen water.

The enemies are permanently frozen to a point where they would shatter on impact. Magic Hammer is probably no different from the Megaton Hammer.

There are two problems with this.

1) You have added some of your own idea's to the legend. This isn't some theorizing thread, only facts please.

The Zelda wikis agree with the whole Imprisoning War story. Those wikis were made by Zelda fans.

2) It didn't save Ganon? So, I guess that now we are saying that the whole of LttP is hyperbole or otherwise not canon now? 😆

Ganon used the Triforce to turn the Golden Land into the Dark World. That's all it did. The rest of his abilities were things he already did before (and in the first Zelda).

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^What happens when you fail to save the land in Zelda: MM. Time resets anyway instead of everyone being dead.

Yet you still keep the items Also time reseting is a Gameplay mechanic.

Anyway, I was talking to Rapidash. Stop spreading your lies SV.

Lies? You're the one who's making hilarious dis-info on how Link can defeat a god-like dragon who can erase people from existance with just a grain of sand.

Nothing of this actually feels relevant. So Link has these powers to seal time, shatter frozen enemies and stuff like that, but how does it help him against Nozdormu? That is a question that has not been answered yet. All that's been discussed, is the extent of Link's powers.

How will Link survive Nozdormu even with all this? Will he fight him, even in only one time line? Nozdormu knows everything Link will do before he does it. Link is obviously inferior Nozdormu in time manipulation.

Originally posted by LLLLLink

My tactic is this:

Link dons the Stone Mask, making him unnoticeable to Nozdormu. However long it takes to get to Nozdormu is now rendered irrelevant.
Once in close enough, Link fires an Ice arrow into his brain, freezing the unsuspecting dragon solid and freezing his mind or otherwise causing brain damage, or at the very least breaking the dragon's concentration, assuming he doesn't have any freeze-resisting feats (which I'm betting he does).
Link then takes the Magic Hammer and shatters the helpless dragon into pieces. This is an ability of the Magic Hammer of LttP, and is not found in the Megaton Hammer of OoT or the Skull Hammer of WW.

Other than that, Link can only evade Nozdormu at best. Since this fight is without the Trueforce, Nozzy wins. With the Trueforce, it's probably just a stalemate anyway.

Man, Nozdormu just got jobbed. If that's how Nozzy fights then he's a horrible dragon. Ms. Q'Anilia and Ms. Rapidash, you have both lied to me about his awesomeness. An awesome dragon would not lose to anyone like that. I lol'd at how he shatters the helpless dragon.

Like I said, I've already conceded. I'm merely entertaining a thought.
Although, if this match is so stomp, why bother banning the Trueforce when Nozdormu seems to have the same power? Spite maneuver?

Well Q'Anilia, assuming that hyperbole is not an issue here, if the road between times is sealed, than only the present Nozdormu is available to battle with. I would ask you this: how can Noz know the every move of someone that he cannot notice?

SV, why are you getting your info from Zeldawiki? That's like asking for failure, man. Consider this:
You are arguing with a Zelda fan and telling him he is wrong by using data from Zelda fans just like me. Do you see the flawed logic? Also, the ENTIRE split timeline theory is based on the fact that the road between times has been closed.

And Nozmordu can notice Link unless Link never in the whole time he is fighting Nozdormu attacks.

I have a question, how do we know that if Nozdormu in one time era dies, all of them do not die? technically he does exist in all time yet thats still all him, even if to the perception of those at each respective time only see one Noz. So even though he is in many times at once, its still him in all those times and if one of "him" in "one" of those times die, they all die. Understand what I am saying?

The difference is that those Zelda fans are not going to be bias towards this thread as they have no knowledge of it. Theres usually references on a wiki anyway, very rarerly do I see references from you.

Did you actually just bring up an interesting point? Wow.

I could have sworn I posted some actual game footage...

Originally posted by Burning thought
very rarerly do I see references from you.

Hm. Perhaps I had too much faith in the memory of the KMCers. It's not like I have forgotten that Kain can go mist or that he can drain blood from a distance.

memory slips all the time on this forum.

I created this thread because I was not certain of the outcome. That is normally why I make threads, to come to a conclusion from a battle between two characters. I did not know just how powerful the most powerful incarnation of Link was, but I have seen him in fights against the likes of Pyron and Sargeras, so I thought I would put him up against an opponent who has not yet been defeated to my knowledge in the KMC forums.

As the case for Link was presented, little by little it turned out that this battle is indeed a stomp. There is little to nothing that Link can do.

You seem to bring this unnoticeable thing up quite a lot, so because you fancy talking mechanics and No-Limit Fallacies, I thought I would present my own. You know, fighting fire with fire and cancel yours out. I know this is a No-Limit Fallacy, but you frequently using yours makes me feel like me using one to cancel yours out not too big a crime:

Nozdormu has the ability "True Seeing" as well as "Discern Location". There is no way Link can remain hidden from a foe that can not only see things you are not supposed to see, but also discern the location of a specific individual. So Link being unnoticeable does not mean a thing, since you can not hide from Nozdormu.
And since our No-Limit Fallacies cancel eachother out, Link will have to do without that ability.

But just to clarify another point in your thread. Just because Link is unnoticeable, does not make his attacks that. Nozdormu knows what will happen to him before it happens, even if Link could not be seen, which he can. There is nothing Link can do.

Nozdormu freeze time, discern Link's location and erases him from existence.

A shame. I guess 10 Link threads all filled with the same information it is, then.

Can Nozdormu react or think fast enough to dodge an arrow that can reach the sun in under two seconds (aka faster than light)?
And as for the no limit fallacies, are you suggesting that we should just pretend that the items don't have any function at all?

"sigh", I wouldnt be surprised if there are 10 threads each for Kain, Link, Dante and Kratos all filled with the same stuff. People just cant seem to remember, including me. Fortunatley youtube is easy search for specific info and some feats are easy to remember.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And Nozmordu can notice Link unless Link never in the whole time he is fighting Nozdormu attacks.

I have a question, how do we know that if Nozdormu in one time era dies, all of them do not die? technically [b]he does exist in all time yet thats still all him, even if to the perception of those at each respective time only see one Noz. So even though he is in many times at once, its still him in all those times and if one of "him" in "one" of those times die, they all die. Understand what I am saying?

The difference is that those Zelda fans are not going to be bias towards this thread as they have no knowledge of it. Theres usually references on a wiki anyway, very rarerly do I see references from you. [/B]

Because Nozdormu is already dead. That's how we know. Nozdormu exist in all times, except after his death, which in his world has already happened because he exist in all times.

So the fact that we see him and read about him, makes him able to. A dragon that does not exist anywhere, but anytime, whom we also know will die, is by proper definition already dead. Just not yet for our eyes to see.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Because Nozdormu is already dead. That's how we know. Nozdormu exist in all times, except after his death, which in his world has already happened because he exist in all times.

So the fact that we see him and read about him, makes him able to. A dragon that does not exist anywhere, but anytime, whom we also know will die, is by proper definition already dead. Just not yet for our eyes to see.

Not for our eyes to see, but for him. Therefore he automatically loses every thread in games vs....

Automatically loses, but also automatically wins if we want to play that card. Just not by the character he fight, since we know for a fact that Link and the likes will not make appearance in Warcraft.

I think I've been extremely gracious on accepting a characters powers "as is" and not calling no limit fallacies on Nozdormu.

Actually, Link has a parody character and weapons in WoW, if I remember correctly.

Depends really, Nozdormu never "kills" or "defeats" Link for that very reason. So he loses instantly.....the best he can ever have in a vs is a draw e.g. both die. Thats assuming the opponent does not just avoid him (or if hes capable contain Noz) for all eternity. Therefore Noz is defeated AND dead at the same time, double win for his opponent.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I think I've been extremely gracious on accepting a characters powers "as is" and not calling no limit fallacies on Nozdormu.

Actually, Link has a parody character and weapons in WoW, if I remember correctly.

No, you have been very clever not to call out No-Limit, because you are a frequent user of it.

A gnome named Linken with his sword of Mastery, yes.

Well, then explain to me the no limit fallacy in the Stone Mask usage.
It seems worse to me to suggest that an item doesn't work at all than to say it isn't limited.

lol relax 5L......

Link and Noz draw....Nozdormu dies...so does Link eventually unless he has a way of hiding from Noz forever.