The Living Tribunal VS The Man of Miracles

Originally posted by Cogito
I'd rather be average blind than think the Living Tribunal controls my life kinda

say that next time you feel the NEED to take a dump, after you obtain the sustenance that you NEED to survive

Nobody NEEDED to take a dump after obtaining sustenance NEEDED to survive before Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal?

or perhaps the Living Tribunal existed before Stan Lee created him? If Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal, does that make him the true God?

What the **** is going on here

Originally posted by Cogito
The LT has a greater arsenal of feats than TOAA as well.

We're never explicitly told that the Mother is more powerful than the Living tribunal. So you don't have that piece of evidence to work with.

Originally posted by Cogito
For such beings though, their station makes feats irrelevant. They are defined by the ability to perform any and all feats.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What the **** is going on here

Do you feel the Living Tribunal making you need to know? noneermm

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What the **** is going on here

Originally posted by Cogito
Nobody NEEDED to take a dump after obtaining sustenance NEEDED to survive before Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal?

or perhaps the Living Tribunal existed before Stan Lee created him? If Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal, does that make him the true God?

How do you know TOAA didn't take the form of Stan Lee, to create LT? that could have been a necessity

and for all intents and purposes, it looks like that's exactly what happens on panel when the artists and writers portray TOAA and its omnipotence -- as nobody has ever been able to go against unlike Presence or any other false supreme

TOAA isn't god, just like you tried to tell me before, so if you wanna get even more complicated then Stan Lee is saying LT serves someone bigger than HIM, Stan Lee is just the vessel trying to get across to you all that NECESSITY is the law of TOAA

Originally posted by Astner
Not within the context of their fictional works. Never was this explained, neither for The-one-above-all nor for the Mother.

Is MoM not defined as the Supreme Being of Image with infinite everything that would typically accompany that position?

Serious question, I don't read Spawn. My understanding is that Image is an infinite multiverse the same as Marvel and that MoM is omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent within. If that's not true, then that could change this thread (not Jyno's part, of course)

Originally posted by Jynocidus
How do you know TOAA didn't take the form of Stan Lee, to create LT? that could have been a necessity

and for all intents and purposes, it looks like that's exactly what happens on panel when the artists and writers portray TOAA and its omnipotence -- as nobody has ever been able to go against unlike Presence or any other false supreme

TOAA isn't god, just like you tried to tell me before, so if you wanna get even more complicated then Stan Lee is saying LT serves someone bigger than HIM, Stan Lee is just the vessel trying to get across to you all that NECESSITY is the law of TOAA

I have to admit, there is no logical rebuttal for such an illogical position.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
How do you know TOAA didn't take the form of Stan Lee, to create LT? that could have been a necessity

and for all intents and purposes, it looks like that's exactly what happens on panel when the artists and writers portray TOAA and its omnipotence -- as nobody has ever been able to go against unlike Presence or any other false supreme

TOAA isn't god, just like you tried to tell me before, so if you wanna get even more complicated then Stan Lee is saying LT serves someone bigger than HIM, Stan Lee is just the vessel trying to get across to you all that NECESSITY is the law of TOAA

Originally posted by Cogito
I have to admit, there is no logical rebuttal for such an illogical position.

lets get back on topic then

what is NECESSARY for MoM to be more capable than LT other than him being jeebus

Originally posted by Jynocidus
How do you know TOAA didn't take the form of Stan Lee, to create LT? that could have been a necessity

and for all intents and purposes, it looks like that's exactly what happens on panel when the artists and writers portray TOAA and its omnipotence -- as nobody has ever been able to go against unlike Presence or any other false supreme

TOAA isn't god, just like you tried to tell me before, so if you wanna get even more complicated then Stan Lee is saying LT serves someone bigger than HIM, Stan Lee is just the vessel trying to get across to you all that NECESSITY is the law of TOAA

Originally posted by Cogito
I have to admit, there is no logical rebuttal for such an illogical position.

Looks like he got you good.

Originally posted by Cogito
Is MoM not defined as the Supreme Being of Image with infinite everything that would typically accompany that position?

Serious question, I don't read Spawn. My understanding is that Image is an infinite multiverse the same as Marvel and that MoM is omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent within. If that's not true, then that could change this thread (not Jyno's part, of course)

Not sure about how big Image is in scope though. I thought it was only one universe with a shit load of dimensions.

this is why Marvel needs to make more stuff on LT. some people just won't learn until somebody makes a hit comic to get the point across

this supreme being nonsense is nothing but a bait trap

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
IIRC he was only attributed to making the one universe.

Not sure about how big Image is in scope though. I thought it was only one universe with a shit load of dimensions.

So when (s)he said "there is no greater power than me", (s)he was lying or unaware of a potentially higher power?

Originally posted by Astner

Originally posted by Cogito
Is MoM not defined as the Supreme Being of Image with infinite everything that would typically accompany that position?

Originally posted by Cogito
Serious question, I don't read Spawn. My understanding is that Image is an infinite multiverse the same as Marvel and that MoM is omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent within. If that's not true, then that could change this thread (not Jyno's part, of course)

I honestly can't recall any details regarding what honors he/she has been attributed with. So I can't comment on that.

Finally. While the word multiverse has been used, it's neither explained-, nor explored in any greater detail. Since most of what happen happens in the same universe.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
IIRC he was only attributed to making the one universe.

Not sure about how big Image is in scope though. I thought it was only one universe with a shit load of dimensions.

Originally posted by Astner
No, he isn't.

At the very least the Mother isn't omniscient, since it's one of the central points in Armageddon tying in with the concept of free will.

I honestly can't recall any details regarding what honors he/she has been attributed with. So I can't comment on that.

Finally. While the word multiverse has been used, it's neither explained-, nor explored in any greater detail. Since most of what happen happens in the same universe.

Interesting stuff. Just read this article by Erik Larsen (one of the founders of Image). According to him, each Image title is limited to it's own singular universe. His conception is much more abstract than that, but that's the gist of it.

That said, if MoM is universal (and limited to one universe), then it would seem LT represents greater power.

Originally posted by Cogito
So when (s)he said "there is no greater power than me", (s)he was lying or unaware of a potentially higher power?

I mean, say we ignore MoM for a second. Had Imperiex been in the place of MoM in that instance (in Spawnverse), and knowing all we do about him, and had he said that there's no higher power than him, he'd certainly be right wouldn't he? And nothing that I know in Spawnverse has shown a greater degree of power than what Imperiex has.

Hell, all MoM really had to do was spark the big bang, and shape everything in her/his image. Does this put her/him/it on the level of TOAA and Presence... who we know have created beings who can tear down universes or create new ones? Some even with multiversal powers.

I personally won't assume he/she/it is an equal to TOAA and Presence, but I won't fault you for doing so

Originally posted by Cogito
Nobody NEEDED to take a dump after obtaining sustenance NEEDED to survive before Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal?

or perhaps the Living Tribunal existed before Stan Lee created him? If Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal, does that make him the true God?

Stan Lee didn't create Necessity, Equity, or Vengeance.

However, all 3 are required of anyone who calls themselves the "judge" of anything.

The "judge" of the omniverse has to embody all 3 in order to be able to stomp all fake omnipotent characters such as MoM.

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