Originally posted by Cogito
Nobody NEEDED to take a dump after obtaining sustenance NEEDED to survive before Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal?or perhaps the Living Tribunal existed before Stan Lee created him? If Stan Lee created the Living Tribunal, does that make him the true God?
Stan Lee may have created or thought up the concept of LT, but who does LT serve?
give you a hint, it's not MoM
LT serve his master TOAA.
JYNO logis 101
A. LT was created by TOAA to look Judge his Creation Marvel.
B.The Spectre was created by the PRESENCE to Judge is Creation DC.
C.LT=Spectre more or less
D. TOAA==The PRESENCE
E. LT< The Presence
D. LT VS Presence = 100/100 the presence win with no effort.
bangin
CASE CLOSED
Originally posted by hunbu04
LT serve his master TOAA.
JYNO logis 101A. LT was created by TOAA to look Judge his Creation Marvel.
B.The Spectre was created by the PRESENCE to Judge is Creation DC.
C.LT=Spectre more or less
D. TOAA==The PRESENCE
E. LT< The Presence
D. LT VS Presence = 100/100 the presence win with no effort.
bangin
CASE CLOSED
the real TOAA isn't Stan Lee, Morrison, or anyone else.
in comics, TOAA takes the form of Stan Lee because he made the continuity that portrays the story
I'm debating the characters themselves created
a character based on the embodiment of necessity beats a character based on being supreme in one continuity, which is nothing but a fragment of the entire omniverse.
the omniverse was created by...whoever you believe in. The characters from the companies (Presence, TOAA, MoM) are small to LT. What is NECESSARY for those characters to be drawn and portrayed as omnipotent? MoM isn't omnipotent if Presence is omnipotent also.
Whichever way you look at it, even if MoM/Presence/TOAA are all the same person, they are not omnipotent because as soon as they shed from the singularity....LT was created, that NECESSITY that keeps them all separate while able to maintain their own individuality.
so yep, call me crazy. but the REAL TOAA could probably integrate MoM, Presence, Marvel TOAA, all back into its being. And that is who the LT serves
and it's logical because NECESSITY exists in all planes of existence, whether fictional or our own.
there's my logic on how LT stomps ladies and gents
Originally posted by Cogito
Now your assertion is that characters from different companies can't be compared? 😬That's kind of the point of this forum, no?
i do not know how you came to that conclusion about my assertion.
my assertion revolved around LT serving either TOAA, or the continuity in which his native portrayal originates. Which would be over at Marvel where Stan Lee decides how he'd be presented
since this is a vs thread....I get to decide how he's presented, since DC fanboys want to write it off as a spite loss just because he's going against a supreme being and i'm not about to let that happen until someone really provides something worthy of my complete concession.
Originally posted by hunbu04LT > Spectre
LT serve his master TOAA.
JYNO logis 101A. LT was created by TOAA to look Judge his Creation Marvel.
B.The Spectre was created by the PRESENCE to Judge is Creation DC.
C.LT=Spectre more or less
D. TOAA==The PRESENCE
E. LT< The Presence
D. LT VS Presence = 100/100 the presence win with no effort.
bangin
CASE CLOSED
TOAA > Presence
Actually, LT serves several beings besides TOAA. LT once said, there are several beings greater then him.
Originally posted by hunbu04
LT serve his master TOAA.
JYNO logis 101A. LT was created by TOAA to look Judge his Creation Marvel.
B.The Spectre was created by the PRESENCE to Judge is Creation DC.
C.LT=Spectre more or less
D. TOAA==The PRESENCE
E. LT< The Presence
D. LT VS Presence = 100/100 the presence win with no effort.
bangin
CASE CLOSED
It was argued that that LT made believe Thanos won or pretty much he was played. Why would the TOAA have something in existence that could destroy/defeat him and break the order of the Marvel Omniverse without the living tribunal,who makes the rules?!
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
living tribunal was easily bested by thanos with the heart of the universe, no way is he taking a real multiversal supreme being.
There is so much fail in this thread... let's add some more.
You could write a Story in which the Supreme being of the Omniverse (your fictional Omniverse) or another interpretation of TOAA is usurped by another being which becomes the one most powerful being in the Omniverse, that doesn't make it real, it's just an fictional story which has nothing to do with the stories of others, there is no continuity between those two.
For comics this means that there can be more supreme beings and more Omniverses. It also proves how limited TOAA and LT are because they can't even see the other Omni-Multi-Universes, they have no influence there and if the judge of the Supreme being of Marveverse believes that they are in an Omniverse, it means they know shit about most other comapnies stories, books etc. so they aren't omniscient, they are just creations of the beings that created them.
dur
Supreme being of one company = Supreme being of another
Company = Company (till one buys the other 😉 )
TOAA is fulcrum.
Fulcrum has stated that the dreaming celestial has evolved past his brethren and is HIS equal.
This means that TOAA = the Dreaming celestial
Since Jynocidus believes that you can’t have 2 infinitely powerful beings at the same time it would means that LT serves an imperfect master.
So it proves MOM or other supreme beings from other companies' omniverse >= TOAA > LT.
Originally posted by Diesldude
TOAA is fulcrum.
Fulcrum has stated that the dreaming celestial has evolved past his brethren and is HIS equal.This means that TOAA = the Dreaming celestial
Since Jynocidus believes that you can’t have 2 infinitely powerful beings at the same time it would means that LT serves an imperfect master.So it proves MOM or other supreme beings from other companies' omniverse >= TOAA > LT.
.....to my knowledge, that is ridiculous.
anyway, i'm gonna get something to eat and do a little HW on MoM. But if I read anything about him/her having anything to do with heaven or hell, they sure aren't omnipotent. i'm pretty sure i'll be able to get back to my rampage pretty soon
Originally posted by Jynocidus
.....to my knowledge, that is ridiculous.anyway, i'm gonna get something to eat and do a little HW on MoM. But if I read anything about him/her having anything to do with heaven or hell, they sure aren't omnipotent. i'm pretty sure i'll be able to get back to my rampage pretty soon
I used your logic.... So you can redicule it all you want.
TOAA is not to be confused with the Celestial, you can look that up for yourself. that's the ridiculous part if you haven't caught on yet
LT doesn't serve an imperfect master, LT serves TOAA who is omnipotent...not someone who was created by external forces *ahem*
as for MoM, i've gotta say...at least they've been part of Marvel prior to them being affiliated with DC. maybe that's why they're on the right track as far as omnipotence goes. MoM is a way better concept than the Presence, at least on paper.
they speak of the same entity in concept, the omnipotent end all and be all (i'm comparing TOAA with MoM here). So, what are my options here?
A: Marvel is a bigger company, they make more money. So if TOAA > MoM, TOAA's judge (LT) > MoM. (someone else tried to make the argument, so it's only fair)
or
B: People have already said MoM's feats haven't been above skyfather, we all know LT > any of that nonsense feat-wise. Taking that into consideration, MoM can't out-muscle LT offensively or defensively
or
C: Give MoM the benefit of the doubt, and let it represent omnipotence to dictate the necessity it needs to win. The argument that everybody immediately runs to when they see a God thread. "lolhesgod" (which holds no weight because TOAA vs Presence got closed and they're both "God, or if it does then why make spite threads?)
majority leans towards LT, who stomps in 2 out of 3 scenarios
if TOAA > MoM, TOAA's creation > MoM
we've already identified an argument through previous debate: market share. Marvel has the most, and it's relevant to materialistic debaters
TOAA > MoM also because (insert marvel being so cool and other crap)
TOAA> MoM also because: if having more market share, and arguably being more popular isn't the icing on the cake, having a higher power at the time of questioning (now) should seal it.
^
This power will be used when MoM tries to claim omnipotence, and force TOAA to take that feminine form, which it will object to. TOAA will want to maintain its individuality (who knows if it will be choosy with a he/she thing, but it will ultimately object). The separation of this very individuality, which takes the form of "supreme' beings..., is governed by NECESSITY. LT is the judge of the more powerful "omnipotent" TOAA, and thus his power is greater than MoM.
ontop of every other argument i bring about relying on false omnipotence as a path to victory