Squall & Sephiroth vs Dart and Lloyd

Well, Lionheart is pretty awesome (better than Omnislash), but it is clearly a fire based attack (the explosions). Because of its fire nature, that attack would only heal Dart (the flames anyway) because of that armor he has (even in human form).

Umm... Sorry my friend, but Lion Heart it is not a Fire-based attack. Those explosions are just effects from the slashes.

So there are no actual explosions? I'm just seeing things?

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You are going to tell me that there is no fire involved with this attack?

Nobody has said that, I said those explosions were just effects from the slashes, that's all.

Alright, cool.

Might I argue that those flame effects and explosions knock the edge off of the attack based on the healing armor? That's not to say it doesn't damage Dart (can't ignore the slashes, can we?).

... So Zell's combos are considered Fire-based attacks as well just because with each punch you see a small "explosion" ...? Renzokuken is also Fire-based? Huh...? I said it, those are just effects from the gameplay.

Well, if its just an effect like you claim, then it kinda brings the attack's real damage dealing power down since "9999" doesn't really amount to anything in a debate like this, right?

Lion Heart is a completely non elemental attack. If it were fire elemental in any way, shape or form the game would reflect this by having it do fire based damage, which it doesn't.

Friend, I don't claim anything, those are just effects from the game...
Gameplay can't be used in these sort of debates since it's up to each player.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Lion Heart is a completely non elemental attack. If it were fire elemental in any way, shape or form the game would reflect this by having it do fire based damage, which it doesn't.

Or, perhaps, add some flames and explosions in the attack?
I'm just saying, apparently the creators wanted us to perceive some flames and blasts in the attack, so they added them.
Either way, it brings down the destructive nature of the attack.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Or, perhaps, add some flames and explosions in the attack?

Because those are EFFECTS... 😠

So, in this case, those 'effects' have a healing factor on the target.
You are saying that they don't belong, and that we should ignore them?

I'm just saying that those are just effects from the gameplay...

If Dart were in a gameplay those Lion Heart slashes wouldn't healing him either since IT IS NOT A FIRE-BASED ATTACK EITHER.

They don't have a healing effect, because the game makes it clear there's nothing fire based about them. You're just being ridiculous now.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
They don't have a healing effect, because the game makes it clear there's nothing fire based about them. You're just being ridiculous now.

Nothing fire-based except for, you know, the whole combo.

Let me be direct.
Does Lion Heart (A) have fire attributes that would heal Dart, or (B) does it not and take a cut in effective damage dealing? Let's face it; explosions would definitely make the attack more destructive.
Either way, it wont be one-shotting Dart. Please choose A or B.
Also, the very last strike of Lionheart is an explosion, and it does damage.

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Same thing in Dissidia.

LLLLLink... You must be REALLY joking...

Let me be direct, in every Final Fantasy game attacks can be either elemental or non elemental. Any attack that would heal someone who heals from fire would be classed as a fire elemental attack. Lion Hart isn't, meaning it will not heal anyone with an affinity for fire. This isn't something that can be argued, any more than you can argue that Squall is a black guy.

Those explosions are bursts of energy, not flame, fire doesn't pattern like that, it doesn't make purples rings shooting out from it, and it doesn't have white orbs radiating off of it.

You do realize that explosion =/= fire right? An explosion is simply a large amount of energy being released, most of them aren't incendiary.

Also, all of those explosions are special effects from the Gameplay and of each attacks... Just look at Zell's punches, no need more examples.

I'm actually in agreement with 5L's hypothesis that a single limit break will take Dart down. That being said, Squall is plenty capable of performing numerous limit breaks, either with items, or just through the heat of battle. A fully junctioned Squall with about 2, maybe 3 perfectly triggered Renzozukens followed by a finisher should be enough to drop the man in red. One of the coolest things about FF8 characters is the fact that the closer they are to being defeated, the more dangerous they become, I've always liked that.

What are the chances Sephiroth would stomp Lloyd and then just being an *******, sitting back and watching Squall duke it out with Dart? I'd say it's pretty likely. Stupid Sephiroth. 😠

Originally posted by XanatosForever
What are the chances Sephiroth would stomp Lloyd and then just being an *******, sitting back and watching Squall duke it out with Dart? I'd say it's pretty likely. Stupid Sephiroth. 😠

😆 I could see that happening.