Hp Doomsday/Thanos vs Darkseid/Odin

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Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Thanos and DD win. We've seen DD stomp Darkseid in a few panels. he is the low man here.

Darkseid underestimated him and paid for it. We never saw a real fight between the two, it wouldn't have been nearly so one-sided.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus

What the **** are you going on about now? Low showing? It was in the comic that this version is based on! You can't use anything else but the Hunter/Prey comic for a version that is based on what he did in Hunter/Prey! Fact.

More bull. Superman himself notes that he was hurting DD with it. [/B]

Why do you even fuss against him?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus

What the **** are you going on about now? Low showing? It was in the comic that this version is based on! You can't use anything else but the Hunter/Prey comic for a version that is based on what he did in Hunter/Prey! Fact.

More bull. Superman himself notes that he was hurting DD with it. [/B]

Either that sword>>>>>>>>OE or it was simply a low showing.

Hurting and damaging are two different things.
Again either HV>>>OE or it was a low showing. DD had other showings where the hv did absolutely nothing. Not even tickle him.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid underestimated him and paid for it. We never saw a real fight between the two, it wouldn't have been nearly so one-sided.

My friend we must go by writer's intentions. And by those intentions he wanted to show how dominate DD was over DS.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by h1a8
Either that sword>>>>>>>>OE or it was simply a low showing.

Hurting and damaging are two different things.
Again either HV>>>OE or it was a low showing. DD had other showings where the hv did absolutely nothing. Not even tickle him.


H/P was a terrible, terrible book filled with inconsistencies and PIS/CIS. I've read Jurgen's thoughts on the book (and other things as well) and its clear he has no idea what the relative powerlevels of pretty much any character are.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by h1a8
My friend we must go by writer's intentions. And by those intentions he wanted to show how dominate DD was over DS.

Well he did it in a very bad way then. If he had wanted to portray said dynamic unambiguously he should have had Darkseid go down in a FACE-TO-FACE confrontation rather than getting cheap shotted by an opponent he had assumed dead.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well he did it in a very bad way then. If he had wanted to portray said dynamic unambiguously he should have had Darkseid go down in a FACE-TO-FACE confrontation rather than getting cheap shotted by an opponent he had assumed dead.

Well I agree.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid underestimated him and paid for it. We never saw a real fight between the two, it wouldn't have been nearly so one-sided.
Ds landed the first attack and it just bought him time. The writer further went on to say it is a stomp backing up what we saw on panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
My friend we must go by writer's intentions. And by those intentions he wanted to show how dominate DD was over DS.
Bout time I agree with you.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
H/P was a terrible, terrible book filled with inconsistencies and PIS/CIS. I've read Jurgen's thoughts on the book (and other things as well) and its clear he has no idea what the relative powerlevels of pretty much any character are.
That's neither here nor there. The point is it's not close no matter how you wanted Darkseid to be portrayed it's how he was portrayed.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by h1a8
Either that sword>>>>>>>>OE or it was simply a low showing.

Hurting and damaging are two different things.
Again either HV>>>OE or it was a low showing. DD had other showings where the hv did absolutely nothing. Not even tickle him.


Please quit saying "OE" when Darkseid never used the OE in the entire mini. He used the OB. They are different. And heat vision affected DD adversely in the mini. Don't bother splitting definitions by arguing that 'hurting and damaging are different.' Wordplay is irrelevant. That plasma/laser sword hurt DD, too. H/P DD was not invulnerable. No where even close to it.

Odin takes him out. One shot with Gungir, all it would take.

Harbinger Firestorm

Originally posted by Enyalus
Please quit saying "OE" when Darkseid never used the OE in the entire mini. He used the OB. They are different. And heat vision affected DD adversely in the mini. Don't bother splitting definitions by arguing that 'hurting and damaging are different.' Wordplay is irrelevant. That plasma/laser sword hurt DD, too. H/P DD was not invulnerable. No where even close to it.

Odin takes him out. One shot with Gungir, all it would take.

Agreed, save the last comment. Thanos tanked several blasts via Gungir; I don't see why Doomsday couldn't, either.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Harbinger
Agreed, save the last comment. Thanos tanked several blasts via Gungir; I don't see why Doomsday couldn't, either.

Thanos was sent flying all the way into Asgard proper with the one blast....

Harbinger Firestorm

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos was sent flying all the way into Asgard proper with the one blast....
But wasn't KOed. He also walked through another of those same blasts, with Odin never letting up.

So we're clear, Odin and Darkseid win--I've said that before. However, I think it's going to take a lot more to take out Doomsday.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Harbinger
But wasn't KOed. He also walked through another of those same blasts, with Odin never letting up.

So we're clear, Odin and Darkseid win--I've said that before. However, I think it's going to take a lot more to take out Doomsday.

Than Thanos? What?

Harbinger Firestorm

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It's going to take more than one Gungir-concentrated blast to down DD, for God's sake.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Harbinger
facepalm

It's going to take more than one Gungir-concentrated blast to down DD, for God's sake.

Not if you talk to jurgens. You are overrating DD.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
Please quit saying "OE" when Darkseid never used the OE in the entire mini. He used the OB. They are different. And heat vision affected DD adversely in the mini. Don't bother splitting definitions by arguing that 'hurting and damaging are different.' Wordplay is irrelevant. That plasma/laser sword hurt DD, too. H/P DD was not invulnerable. No where even close to it.

Odin takes him out. One shot with Gungir, all it would take.

They are not different. There is only the OE. Calling it the OB is an error. The same OE that vapored the indestructible missles that Superman couldn't scratch and countless other things were the same thing that hit DD. You must go by writer's intentions. Going against them is a sign of bias on your part.

HV affecting DD contradicts when it did nothing. It also contradicts what the Radiant did. So it doesn't count, as do all low showings. The OE didn't damage him is all that matters. For damage is what kills or stops, not being hurt. For the OE>>>>>any Odin blast.

Also, we are taking HP DD at his best. That means the version at the end of the series, right before death. So this time the OE will not even hurt him in the slightest.

JakeTheBank Return of the King
Originally posted by h1a8
For the OE>>>>>any Odin blast.

No.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Harbinger
facepalm

It's going to take more than one Gungir-concentrated blast to down DD, for God's sake.


*shrug* I'll concede that. Although I think Thanos' durability trumps that of H/P DD's so using Thanos being able to survive it isn't helpful. Him tanking supernovae point blank and surviving for hours in a black hole should be proof of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are not different. There is only the OE.

They are very different. Wait until Kev or OV or Allankles sees this post. They'll set you straight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Calling it the OB is an error. The same OE that vapored the indestructible missles that Superman couldn't scratch and countless other things were the same thing that hit DD. You must go by writer's intentions.

Writer intentions??? The writer wrote Darkseid saying he was firing the Omega Beams at DD and that nothing could withstand them. Jurgens wrote that Darkseid used the OB. Not me. You have a problem with that you take it up with him and his editor. The writer clearly intended for Darkseid to be using the OB, not the OE. Why? Because he had Darkseid say so.

Originally posted by h1a8
HV affecting DD contradicts when it did nothing. It also contradicts what the Radiant did. So it doesn't count, as do all low showings.

Bullshit. In the H/P story, Superman hits him with heat vision which at one point does nothing. Then he pours it on, and it does hurt him. Why? Because Superman turned up the intensity. So its perfectly valid. The Radiant's energies have nothing to do with any of this. He was killed by them and adapted to it...The Radiant's particular form of energy, not all energy period.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OE didn't damage him is all that matters.

The OE didn't damage him, you're right. Because the OE was never used. As far as the OB not damaging him, prove it. You can't. Know why? Because we don't see what happens when he's buried under all that rubble. He could be burnt and badly damaged for all you know. It's nothing but unfounded speculation on your part.

Originally posted by h1a8
For the OE>>>>>any Odin blast.

Yeah, whatever. Let me know if Darkseid's blasts are ever felt simultaneously across every plane of existence, or the aftereffects of his power create new stars, or his beams destroy galaxies.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also, we are taking HP DD at his best. That means the version at the end of the series, right before death. So this time the OE will not even hurt him in the slightest.

Wrong. We are using Doomsday as he appeared in the Hunter/Prey arc. That means everything which happened during those 3 issues involving Doomsday is fair game. You cannot pick and choose which feats you want to use and which ones you don't. Not when a specific version like this is being used.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No.

Of course it is. Who with Superman level durability or above has Odin completely disintegrated?Odin has hurt herald level beings or even killed them. But never has his blasts been so powerful as to just disintegrate them. DS has many times disintegrated beings of Superman level durability and greater.

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