Originally posted by h1a8Odin can kill him in one attack. The writer also stated of hp that if Superman had a different upbringing and went all out he'd beat DD. The writer even agrees DD is nowhere near as unbeatable as you have him.
How so? DD can withstand any of Odin's attacks and evolve past them. Odin could bfr him if DD hesitates yes, but this fight doesn't have bfr options.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin can kill him in one attack. The writer also stated of hp that if Superman had a different upbringing and went all out he'd beat DD. The writer even agrees DD is nowhere near as unbeatable as you have him.
Several writers wrote DD, I'm referring to the writer of HP DD (Jurgens) and this writer's opinion is that nothing in the universe can kill HP DD except the end of time. That is why he had HP DD tank the OE without ever experiencing (die from) it first. Now the reason Odin can't kill HP DD in one attack is because Odin failed to kill many beings in one attack (Thanos included) that were far less durable than HP DD.
Also HP DD is more durable than all material that planets or stars are made of (including diamonds).
Originally posted by h1a8Jurgens is the writer who stated this making your insane notions of DD insane and contradictory to what jurgens intended.
Several writers wrote DD, I'm referring to the writer of HP DD (Jurgens) and this writer's opinion is that nothing in the universe can kill HP DD except the end of time. That is why he had HP DD tank the OE without ever experiencing (die from) it first. Now the reason Odin can't kill HP DD in one attack is because Odin failed to kill many beings in one attack (Thanos included) that were far less durable than HP DD.Also HP DD is more durable than all material that planets or stars are made of (including diamonds).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Jurgens is the writer who stated this making your insane notions of DD insane and contradictory to what jurgens intended.
He couldn't have stated it since his very opinion on HP was that nothing but the end of time can kill him. Now writer's opinions now are not valid to the original opinions that occurred when they wrote the comic at question.
For example, remember in HP where Superman with all his might couldn't put a scratch on the missiles he was trying to stop. These missiles were made of some adamantium like indestructible metal. Yet DS from miles away made them become instant vapor with a single OE beam (usually both beams hit a target).
Now DD got hit with the same OE but with both beams simultaneously and at point blank range. Yet there was no shown damage at all to DD.
This alone proves that there is nothing Odin can do kill DD (except through a BFR).
Originally posted by h1a8Actually, he did in an interview. You misinterpreted it wrong. can't say I am surprised.
He couldn't have stated it since his very opinion on HP was that nothing but the end of time can kill him. Now writer's opinions now are not valid to the original opinions that occurred when they wrote the comic at question.For example, remember in HP where Superman with all his might couldn't put a scratch on the missiles he was trying to stop. These missiles were made of some adamantium like indestructible metal. Yet DS from miles away made them become instant vapor with a single OE beam (usually both beams hit a target).
Now DD got hit with the same OE but with both beams simultaneously and at point blank range. Yet there was no shown damage at all to DD.
This alone proves that there is nothing Odin can do kill DD (except through a BFR).
Odin's a lot more powerful than ds's omega beams. Again, like I said you are ignorant and not aware of the interview like many other things.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Jurgens is the writer who stated this making your insane notions of DD insane and contradictory to what jurgens intended.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNo, actually he doesn't. There was one ridiculous statement he refuted while he stuck to the rest. If you have any other examples in which he took back then feel free to explain them.
Jurgens has a history of making insane and contradictory statements. In H/P we saw a Doomsday who was far beyond Superman. His 'upbringing' theory is crap, something that you yourself have refuted in other cases. Under that theory Superman would be SBP level if he hadn't been raised in Smallville. You've made a point of stating that SBP is simply more powerful than Superman and have shot-down any proposal that its mostly (or entirely) due to the differences in their upbringing and psyches.
No, he wouldn't be Prime level as I see Prime whipping the dog crap out of DD each and every time.
It's common sense to assume had Superman been raised on apokolips he would indeed be far more dangerous.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, actually he doesn't. There was one ridiculous statement he refuted while he stuck to the rest. If you have any other examples in which he took back then feel free to explain them.No, he wouldn't be Prime level as I see Prime whipping the dog crap out of DD each and every time.
It's common sense to assume had Superman been raised on apokolips he would indeed be far more dangerous.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt's admissible here as posters are stating DD is practically unbeatable when his own writer states an all out Superman raised differently beats him. Upon reading this interview and getting the writer's insight my perceptions of DD went way down.
You're getting into hypotheticals. Not to mention authors' statements are never solid evidence in a Vs debate. Stop using that crappy interview as if its admissible evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's admissible here as posters are stating DD is practically unbeatable when his own writer states an all out Superman raised differently beats him. Upon reading this interview and getting the writer's insight my perceptions of DD went way down.
It would be the same if I wrote a story in which I have Character A going over Character B (even more so if it was under specific circumstances). If Character B clearly had more feats and the repeatedly shown power to warrant him winning over A, even if I did an interview wanking Character A non-stop, my statement, even as a writer for the story, shouldn't be used as the honest-to-god truth regarding who would win in a forum setting. Interviews are nice to see why a writer did what they did or where they were coming from, but you really can't use them as "proof" so-to-speak.
Originally posted by Omega VisionYes, they are. In the comic Superman was actually psychologically fearful of DD. The whole comic showed even Superman fears the baddies every once in a while and this is one foe he was actually afraid of putting him at a disadvantage. This was also a weaker superman so add that to the fact DD wasn't unbeatable he is just above Darkseid and a fearful Superman not an all out one like he stated in his interview.
Interview=/=on panel statements or feats. In the course of H/P Jurgens gives no indications that DD isn't above Superman. Also his claims that DD would beat DS 10/10 aren't backed up at all by what he actually wrote in the comic where the only confrontation we see is an over-confident Darkseid knocking DD down and out long enough to give a speech before dropping his guard and getting cheapshotted from behind.
DD's feats in the book weren't really that impressive anyways.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It would be the same if I wrote a story in which I have Character A going over Character B (even more so if it was under specific circumstances). If Character B clearly had more feats and the repeatedly shown power to warrant him winning over A, even if I did an interview wanking Character A non-stop, my statement, even as a writer for the story, shouldn't be used as the honest-to-god truth regarding who would win in a forum setting. Interviews are nice to see why a writer did what they did or where they were coming from, but you really can't use them as "proof" so-to-speak.
True. Interviews are good for clearing up the specifics of a story, not much beyond that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Like clearing up the myth DD was far beyond Superman or any other top tier for that matter.
He was above a lot of people including a weaker Superman during that story and that part of the continuity.
The way DS and Superman are written post IC and 52, HP DD wouldn't be that great of a threat.