Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they were the ultimate deciders but based on his statements and common sense DD can still die by physical means and his own writer agrees.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I know that, I just don't think Superman at the time of H/P had the power to do it.
And of course, Odin.
(Note: I might have to recant my 'current' version of DS, as that last Turpin body looked pretty fragile and weak physically.)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Agreed. Both Current version of Supes though and Current version of Darkseid have a good chance at it though, being physically upgraded since.And of course, Odin.
(Note: I might have to recant my 'current' version of DS, as that last Turpin body looked pretty fragile and weak physically.)
Turpin was just a vessel. The real Darkseid is that big thing falling down towards the Multiverse. 😄
Originally posted by Enyalus
Okay. If he can physically pull down and crunch space/time, then safe to say current DS has enough physical power to beat H/P DD, hm?
I think that his Avatar (OWAW for example) should have enough power to beat HP DD, though not physically.
As for this match. Odin would solo.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think that his Avatar (OWAW for example) should have enough power to beat HP DD, though not physically.As for this match. Odin would solo.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I actually believe that Darkseid's inconsistent performance since COIE can be explained by accepting that not all Avatars are created equal given that the implication of Final Crisis was that this was the first time the REAL Darkseid had ever actually entered the DCU Proper in full form.
Originally posted by quanchi112I don't believe you as he pointed out the opposite instead.
Actually, he did in an interview. You misinterpreted it wrong. can't say I am surprised.Odin's a lot more powerful than ds's omega beams. Again, like I said you are ignorant and not aware of the interview like many other things.
DS's OE is arguably the most powerful beam in comicdom. The only beings that have survived were DD (because of shear durability) and a very very few beings only because of their essentiality to reality (Like Superman).
Odin's blasts hasn't vaporized on contact anyone herald level or above in his entire history. DS's OE has done so time and time again; it has instant vapored things far far beyond Superman in durability. Odin may have seriously hurt, koed, etc. with his blasts but never have they been portrayed as anything close to the OE. Hell when the OE is emitted from DS eyes the reader's are in terror as they know what they are capable of and what they are about to do. Not so with Odin's blasts which can and has been tanked time and time again.
Originally posted by Enyalus
The "Nothing like Darkseid has ever come among you before" line was standard comic book villain hyperbole talk...that's the way I took that, and Darkseid engages in plenty of it, throughout his history. He is a walking cliche and archetype afterall. Much like Emperor Palpatine or Skeletor or....Megatron. lol
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they are. In the comic Superman was actually psychologically fearful of DD. The whole comic showed even Superman fears the baddies every once in a while and this is one foe he was actually afraid of putting him at a disadvantage. This was also a weaker superman so add that to the fact DD wasn't unbeatable he is just above Darkseid and a fearful Superman not an all out one like he stated in his interview.DD's feats in the book weren't really that impressive anyways.
The Superman in DOS was much weaker than current Superman but the Superman in HP was either equal or not far off from current Superman.
Remember the Lobo feat? Well HP Superman = or > than that Superman who hit Lobo.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe way DS and Superman are written post IC and 52, HP DD wouldn't be that great of a threat.
I disagree because HP DD's upper limits were never shown. Hell the weaker Imperiex DD bust through probes like tissue paper in one blow. Neither OWAW Superman, IC, 52, etc. can't duplicate that feat. Now if his limits were shown then we can debate the issue. All we can go on is feats and implication. As far as feats HP Superman is basically as strong as he is now (the Lobo feat proves it). Also that Superman (the HP one) with all his might couldn't even put a scratch on the indestructible missles yet DS with a beam from miles away instant vapored them.
HP DD took that same blast (but two beams now and from point blank range) with no shown damage whatsoever.
Also HP D's claw went through Superman's shoulder like liquid. I don't know about you but that Superman is one of the most durable beings in comicdom (as he has the feats to back it up) and going through him like liquid is fu@king insane.
As far as implication, well Jurgens wrote HP DD to be now beyond death (nothing in the universe can kill him).
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I was referring to the fact that his true nature was revealed: an actual dark god who could possess a person and who's mere existence was poisoning reality. He was operating on a level beyond anything he had demonstrated before: Lovecraftian shit.
Originally posted by h1a8
Remember the Lobo feat? Well HP Superman = or > than that Superman who hit Lobo.
Originally posted by Enyalus
The "Nothing like Darkseid has ever come among you before" line was standard comic book villain hyperbole talk...that's the way I took that, and Darkseid engages in plenty of it, throughout his history. He is a walking cliche and archetype afterall. Much like Emperor Palpatine or Skeletor or....Megatron. lol
A falling cliché 🙂.
Originally posted by EnyalusThe Lobo feat thing doesn't really matter. Supes' powers were beginning to malfunction at that point in time. Just after that Supes becomes a gigantic hulking monster because of his cells and solar absorption acting up. His powers were amplified during that whole time.
Huh?
What issues did his powers malfunction again? Because I don't recall an issue retconning the Lobo feat.