Originally posted by AllanklesI just don't see Dd being anything more than an elite top tier myself.
He was above a lot of people including a weaker Superman during that story and that part of the continuity.The way DS and Superman are written post IC and 52, HP DD wouldn't be that great of a threat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How often has Odin done this in battle?
Also, I thought I had already disproved this myth of HP DD's "instantaneous adaptation?" Months ago.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they are. In the comic Superman was actually psychologically fearful of DD. The whole comic showed even Superman fears the baddies every once in a while and this is one foe he was actually afraid of putting him at a disadvantage. This was also a weaker superman so add that to the fact DD wasn't unbeatable he is just above Darkseid and a fearful Superman not an all out one like he stated in his interview.DD's feats in the book weren't really that impressive anyways.
Originally posted by EnyalusSome people still cling to the idea DD is practically unbeatable still and will never give up their dc chest beating ways.
Twice, I believe. One was in battle against the head of the enchanters IIRC (between Thor 144-147) and the other might have been against Surtur, but I'm not positive.Also, I thought I had already disproved this myth of HP DD's "instantaneous adaptation?" Months ago.
I don't see Odin wrecking galaxies as a justification for him winning her for the majority. There's also the shields if he does bring them to bear.
Originally posted by Omega VisionYes, they are when it shoots down the idea DD is practically above injury and defeat. His own writer states your wrong and I am right. Feel the burn.
No they really aren't. Interviews may or may not constitute canon when mainstream comics are concerned but they certainly aren't worth crap in a forum debate.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes, they are when it shoots down the idea DD is practically above injury and defeat. His own writer states your wrong and I am right. Feel the burn.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot unless he was referring to a story where he had the power to do so. Starlin wouldn't state Thanos could defeat Lt straight up anyways and jurgens was giving his opinion about a character he wrote in hp. Some can choose to ignore it but I certainly won't.
The words "yes they are when" implies one thing: "they're canon if I want them to be and when they agree with my lowballed or wanked views of certain characters." If Starlin said in an interview that regular Thanos could beat LT (and I bet he would too if someone asked the question directly) would you consider that canon too in spite of the evidence?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not unless he was referring to a story where he had the power to do so. Starlin wouldn't state Thanos could defeat Lt straight up anyways and jurgens was giving his opinion about a character he wrote in hp. Some can choose to ignore it but I certainly won't.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI have explained why that was it was a weaker Superman and he was psychologically effected. The writer doesn't state DD is even close to undefeatable. he can still be beaten to death physically which I have always stated.
The fact that I can ignore it means that it isn't as good as on-panel showings that are a lot more difficult to ignore (though I have ignored them on certain occasions to my own shame and you make a habit of ignoring them every day).
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have explained why that was it was a weaker Superman and he was psychologically effected. The writer doesn't state DD is even close to undefeatable. he can still be beaten to death physically which I have always stated.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThat doesn't mean it was the only way. That's like saying Thanos bfring champ was the only way he could beat him. The writer stated he's not physically unbeatable and we have also seen Imperiex oneshot him since.
And yet in the comic itself they defeated him by stranding him at the End of Time. Hmm... 🙄
Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean it was the only way. That's like saying Thanos bfring champ was the only way he could beat him. The writer stated he's not physically unbeatable and we have also seen Imperiex oneshot him since.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThe writer further expounded he can with the right mindset. It's like you want to interpret it however you want despite what the writer intended for us. That's the definition of fanboyism.
Imperiex's blast and Superman's fists are very different. The implication of H/P was that Superman couldn't beat Doomsday physically.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer further expounded he can with the right mindset. It's like you want to interpret it however you want despite what the writer intended for us. That's the definition of fanboyism.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe created hp Doomsday so if you won't listen to him you shouldn't post in threads concerning hp.
I don't care what a writer with controversial (and more to the point, idiotic) opinions thinks. Its obvious DC editorial wouldn't allow him to show any of his crap on panel so he added it ex post facto in an interview that you put way too much stock in.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He created hp Doomsday so if you won't listen to him you shouldn't post in threads concerning hp.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe wrote it and he explained himself. You not wanting to listen to the writer means you're too emotionally tied to the characters to weigh in.
Creating a character doesn't make you an end-all-be-all authority on said character, particularly when your commentary doesn't mesh with what you actually wrote. Its like Pak with WWH, if he had his way Hulk would have stomped Galactus and done a lot of shit he never did and could never have done.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He wrote it and he explained himself. You not wanting to listen to the writer means you're too emotionally tied to the characters to weigh in.