Originally posted by Placidity
Check the OP, they don't start off face to face, guns are at the ready, not a quick draw fight.
I did. They do not start from "cover" as people are trying to pass off.
Check the OP: Fox and Gibson are coming to Zero and Preston. No one starts from cover. Zero and Preston are looking down on Gibson and Fox. Since that is how the thread starts, Gibson and Fox die after blocking one or two bullets (one has two automatic Glocks and the other, pistols) as they are being fired upon from the "top floor" location.
Bad OP construction results in a one-sided victory.
Originally posted by dadudemonCorrect, but I seriously doubt that Preston and Zero are just gonna sit on their hands and wait for the benders to come to them. Likely they'll stalk to.
I did. They do not start from "cover" as people are trying to pass off.Check the OP: Fox and Gibson are coming to Zero and Preston. No one starts from cover.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I did. They do not start from "cover" as people are trying to pass off.Check the OP: Fox and Gibson are coming to Zero and Preston. No one starts from cover.
They track Preston and Zero down to Nakatomi plaza. The cleric and the mutant are on the top floor looking down on Fox and Gibson as the assassins enter the building. Gibson and Fox know where they are, they must make their way to them and kill them. The plaza is deserted except for the four combatants, it is fully lit and fully powered.
That does imply cover though. Navigating the building with caution and behind 'cover' seems like what would happen.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Zero and Preston are looking down on Gibson and Fox. Since that is how the thread starts
Yea looking down, but according to the OP, not firing, hence Wesley/Gibson "must make their way to them and kill them". Otherwise, they could just return firing, they wouldn't need to make their way any where.
Like RJ said in the previous post, he meant for Zero and Preston to make their way down while Wesley/Fox came up.
Originally posted by Placidity
That does imply cover though. Navigating the building with caution and behind 'cover' seems like what would happen.
I'm all for evidence of Preston and Zero taking cover. I don't recall them ever doing that. If they do, I'm cool with them taking cover and possibly getting a curved bullet to the face and saying that Preston and Zero lose 1/10 times.
Originally posted by Placidity
Yea looking down, but according to the OP, not firing, hence Wesley/Gibson "must make their way to them and kill them". Otherwise, they could just return firing, they wouldn't need to make their way any where.
In which case, Preston comes out, unscathed, and Zero possibly gets tagged once...MAYBE. What's far more likely is Zero and Preston take the other team out from above with their superior "draw and fire" times.
Originally posted by Placidity
Like RJ said in the previous post, he meant for Zero and Preston to make their way down while Wesley/Fox came up.
Intentions do not matter. What matters is the OP rules. I can create a thread and intend one side to win, but that doesn't actually case one side to win over the other: the rules abilities of the participants do.
Originally posted by dadudemonSo you think they'll just sit on the roof having lunch, waiting for the benders to come to them?Intentions do not matter. What matters is the OP rules. I can create a thread and intend one side to win, but that doesn't actually case one side to win over the other: the rules abilities of the participants do.
lulz, dude. They'll take the fight to the benders, you know it and I know it.
Originally posted by dadudemonIntentions do not matter. What matters is the OP rules. I can create a thread and intend one side to win, but that doesn't actually case one side to win over the other: the rules abilities of the participants do.
I'm confused brah, we were discussing the starting conditions of the fight. I was merely saying Preston/Zero DO NOT fire on the other team at the start of the fight described in OP (which I believe you said they DO). Both teams are hunting each other. Your post here doesn't seem relevant.
edit: and i'm pretty sure RJ wants Preston/Zero to win.
Originally posted by PlacidityWanted, I just realized days ago that they can't.
I'm confused brah, we were discussing the starting conditions of the fight. I was merely saying Preston/Zero DO NOT fire on the other team at the start of the fight described in OP (which I believe you said they DO). Both teams are hunting each other. Your post here doesn't seem relevant.edit: and i'm pretty sure RJ wants Preston/Zero to win.
Hey, bullet benders suck, lookit this guy!!
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DDM will come at us with "ZOMG Preston dodged bullets from machine guns!!!" And he's right, Preston did do that. From dumbass cops, NOT Clerics. Now, DDM will say "ZOMG those guys were Clerics!!!"....Why, if they are clerics, did they not do Gun Kata? Why did they sit there like n00bs, in one spot, like idiots, firing away blindly? Now, DDM will say "ZOMG Gun kata doesn't work on one shooter!!!"
Oh yeah? FF to 6:30
IF those machine gun goons were clerics, they would have employed gun kata, plain and simple.
Now.....Check out Wesley here:
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He is running, scratch that, SPRINTING at the bullet benders in the factory, avoiding all their return fire. He kills 32 men by my count before he is finally hit in the shoulder.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
DDM will come at us with "ZOMG Preston dodged bullets from machine guns!!!" And he's right, Preston did do that. From dumbass cops, NOT Clerics. Now, DDM will say "ZOMG those guys were Clerics!!!"....Why, if they are clerics, did they not do Gun Kata? Why did they sit there like n00bs, in one spot, like idiots, firing away blindly? Now, DDM will say "ZOMG Gun kata doesn't work on one shooter!!!"Oh yeah? FF to 6:30
Oh, hai, trollboy.
Already told you I was kidding about it not working on one person. Or did you forget that?
Here's me taking you seriously:
Also, the Gramaton cleric guards obviously didn't use Gun Kata because:
1. They didn't think it would be necessary to use it on ONE cleric in a hallway when there were 20 of them and 1 of him.
2. It's a really bright idea to dodge into the line of automatic assault rifle gun-fire of the dude next to you, right? dur
3. We clearly saw in the demo video that there were multiple perps, strongly indicating the Gun Kata realizes its potential or best use against....multiple perps. dur
4. Firing away blindly, eh? Then why was the wall completely Swiss Sheese DIRECTLY behind Preston after those 4 dudes got done unloading, with their automatic assault rifles I might add, on Preston?
5. Why would you have regular-old-joe COPS guarding the supreme theocratic leader of the only world super-power when the entire organization is comprised of Gramaton clerics seeking to enforce the elimination of EC-10 classified materials? Oh, that's right, you're in denial.
No please, admit you were wrong and stop swinging from Jaden's blood and semen covered nuts.
Also: you seem to want to call of the people at Gibson HQ "bullet benders" when very few people were shown having that ability. Narf! Stick to the rules, dude. 😄
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😆 damn really...
this will be too easy for gibson & fox
I know, right? Gibson and Fox die super quickly with ease.
Originally posted by Placidity
Yea looking down, but according to the OP, not firing, hence Wesley/Gibson "must make their way to them and kill them". Otherwise, they could just return firing, they wouldn't need to make their way any where.Like RJ said in the previous post, he meant for Zero and Preston to make their way down while Wesley/Fox came up.
Nah, they open fire. It's silly to think they are just going to look at each other.
Or do you honeslty think they are going to run down 20 stories and the other run up 20 stories to have a shootout in a location that neither of them know about until it happens (With Preston having the upper hand with his seemingly super-human senses of location) or will they just start firing as soon as the thread starts while they are looking at each other? I think it's a firing now ask questions later as Zero and Preston are apt to do.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Or do you honeslty think they are going to run down 20 stories and the other run up 20 stories to have a shootout in a location that neither of them know about until it happens (With Preston having the upper hand with his seemingly super-human senses of location) or will they just start firing as soon as the thread starts while they are looking at each other? I think it's a firing now ask questions later as Zero and Preston are apt to do.
OP has clarified thats not the starting conditions, and those conditions are up to OP.
Originally posted by Placidity
OP has clarified thats not the starting conditions, and those conditions are up to OP.
In other words, "you're wrong, I'm right."
No, you're wrong and I'm right. So where do we go from here?
OP clealry says that they must make their way to Zero and Preston. In other words, you're definitely wrong and I'm right. There's no arguing that as it is quite clear that I'm right: Prestong and Zero can open fire right as the thread starts. OP clearly states that Fox and Gibson must make their way to the top to get to them, but not the other way around. In other words: Gibson and Fox get extremely raped.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In other words, "you're wrong, I'm right."No, you're wrong and I'm right. So where do we go from here?
OP clealry says that they must make their way to Zero and Preston. In other words, you're definitely wrong and I'm right. There's no arguing that as it is quite clear that I'm right: Prestong and Zero can open fire right as the thread starts. OP clearly states that Fox and Gibson must make their way to the top to get to them, but not the other way around. In other words: Gibson and Fox get extremely raped.
I don't know what your problem is.
You want the fight to start with just Wesley/Fox in Zero/Preston's sights already and they get shot on the get-go.
RJ has stated thats not how the fight starts, they both hunt or 'stalk' each other. RJ has explicitly clarified this, yet you ignore it and cling on to your interpretation of what he meant.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't know what your problem is.
No problem. I'm just making sure we don't mince words or hide behind certain sentence structures. You won't hurt my feelings: just say it straight. Of course, no name calling and stuff like that. If I'm wrong, say I'm wrong: it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last time. 😄
Originally posted by Placidity
You want the fight to start with just Wesley/Fox in Zero/Preston's sights already and they get shot on the get-go.
You libel me with your lies! 😆 I did not say "within their sights" or anything remotely close to that.
Observe:
Originally posted by dadudemon
..you have the two faster "gun" drawers on the same team. No matter how skilled at bending bullets the Fox/Gibson team is, that doesn't prevent the Preston/Zero team from killing them both before they can get even one bent bullet off.
Originally posted by dadudemon
...Zero has the fastest draw out of all of them and can shoot off 2 bullets before all but Preston pull out their gun and fire one bullet.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think it's a ["]firing now ask questions later["] as Zero and Preston are apt to do.
Clearly, I've indicated why Preston/Zero team wins from the very beginning of the thread. Clearly, I've not said that the fight starts with Preston and Zero having their guns drawn and Gibson and Fox in their sights.
Originally posted by Placidity
RJ has stated thats not how the fight starts,
There's definitely no reason to re-summerize the OP as you and I clearly know what it states.
Originally posted by Placidity
they both hunt or 'stalk' each other. RJ has explicitly clarified this, yet you ignore it and cling on to your interpretation of what he meant.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Intentions do not matter. What matters is the OP rules. I can create a thread and intend one side to win, but that doesn't actually ca[u]se one side to win over the other: the rules [and] abilities of the participants do.
Edit - That does not change how awesome Wanted is. It is still quite an awesome film.
It's just not as awesome as Equilibrium. 😄
Curving bullet trajectories: impossible.
Dodging automatic gunfire from 4 sources from less than 20 feet away withOUT having super-human speed: impossible.
Originally posted by dadudemonThey didn't think it would be necessary? Against the top shit Cleric, Preston?Also, the Gramaton cleric guards obviously didn't use Gun Kata because:
1. They didn't think it would be necessary to use it on ONE cleric in a hallway when there were 20 of them and 1 of him.
2. It's a really bright idea to dodge into the line of automatic assault rifle gun-fire of the dude next to you, right? dur
3. We clearly saw in the demo video that there were multiple perps, strongly indicating the Gun Kata realizes its potential or best use against....multiple perps. dur
4. Firing away blindly, eh? Then why was the wall completely Swiss Sheese DIRECTLY behind Preston after those 4 dudes got done unloading, with their automatic assault rifles I might add, on Preston?
5. Why would you have regular-old-joe COPS guarding the supreme theocratic leader of the only world super-power when the entire organization is comprised of Gramaton clerics seeking to enforce the elimination of EC-10 classified materials? Oh, that's right, you're in denial.
Er.......K........ 😕
Originally posted by PlacidityDDM is a self admitted rabid Preston fanboy. You know how you guys call me a Harry Potter fanboy? Well, take that and multiply it times infinity.
I don't know what your problem is.You want the fight to start with just Wesley/Fox in Zero/Preston's sights already and they get shot on the get-go.
RJ has stated thats not how the fight starts, they both hunt or 'stalk' each other. RJ has explicitly clarified this, yet you ignore it and cling on to your interpretation of what he meant.