Taskmaster vs Wolverine (swordfight)

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
of course he lost.. that want the point. 😐

the point was he was able to still push himself physically before being taken down.. as his HF played no part in his response time or physical exertion.

Originally posted by Trackz
losing to opponents doesn't really prove he could beat taskmaster

again that wasnt the point i was making... 😬

What confuses me is why is strength even being brought up? Whoever possesses more strength is irrelevant and isnt much of a factor in this fight.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What confuses me is why is strength even being brought up? Whoever possesses more strength is irrelevant and isnt much of a factor in this fight.

Originally posted by Trackz
it was revealed in origins he lost some of his skill though, silver samurai retrained him, that doesnt mean he's as good as he used to be though. If wolverine wins i would think it's because of his superior stats.

Originally posted by Trackz
losing to opponents doesn't really prove he could beat taskmaster

Originally posted by Trackz
even if he is as strong/fast without the healing factor and such, losign to those opponents (especially lady deathstrike who he usually trashes with his healing factor) proves he is significantly less of a threat without his healing factor

Originally posted by Trackz
, the healing factor does give him slightly increased strength (his muscle can heal faster and grow stronger more rapidly) and greater stamina.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tasky uses Black Knight's and Harada's styles, right?

Logan with half of a bokken humiliated SS who had two. And I heard he scuffled with BK, that's always something.

Here he has even more time for training than he had in Origins.

Wolverine definitely got whipped back into shape. This is the only action between Wolverine and Black Knight that I'm aware of. Not much, but they appear to be evenly matched from what you can see unfold in the background:

EDIT: Scratch Deadpool. Forgot he can't copy him.

Originally posted by godking
Taskmaster in both scenarios.

Wolverine is good he aint a master

I assume from this comment below you ment swordsmenship and not simply fighting skills, though you still incorrect on the master thing.

Originally posted by godking
Wolverines overall skills make him great However there are better swordsmen then him Taskmaster is one of them .

This is a swords fight Tasky is the better swordsman and should win both scenarios.

Taskmaster may be a better sword fighter, it very debatable.

Wolverine has taken down high end opponents through sword fighting before as well as many other bladed weapons. He was choosen for team x due to his skill with a blade. He has vastly more experiences then Taskmaster. He taken sabre-tooth down twice with swords, he show recently to be superior to silver samurai one of the best swordsmen there is. He taken down vermin and bloodscream, he taken it too wild child with a sword ect. He also has trained with numerous swordsmen many of which are some of the best swordsmen out there. Hell Wolverine knows a sword style that only he and one other know, that is Ogun one of his original and longest running mentors, who is the greatest swordsmen to ever walk the planet with thousand plus years of experience.

So it is not nearly as one sided as you may believe. Logan is most certainly a master swordsmen

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan is most certainly a master swordsmen

Originally posted by Starscream M
has logan ever crossed swords with Sabretooth? 😉

and lol I just picked up on what you ment lol.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I assume from this comment below you ment swordsmenship and not simply fighting skills, though you still incorrect on the master thing.

Taskmaster may be a better sword fighter, it very debatable.

Wolverine has taken down high end opponents through sword fighting before as well as many other bladed weapons. He was choosen for team x due to his skill with a blade. He has vastly more experiences then Taskmaster. He taken sabre-tooth down twice with swords, he show recently to be superior to silver samurai one of the best swordsmen there is. He taken down vermin and bloodscream, he taken it too wild child with a sword ect. He also has trained with numerous swordsmen many of which are some of the best swordsmen out there. Hell Wolverine knows a sword style that only he and one other know, that is Ogun one of his original and longest running mentors, who is the greatest swordsmen to ever walk the planet with thousand plus years of experience.

So it is not nearly as one sided as you may believe. Logan is most certainly a master swordsmen

Taskmaster trains/uses a sword consistently Wolverine can go years without having to use a sword

learned/copied skill +regular use of a sword + are my reasons for giving the taskmaster the edge in pure skill . Any techniques that wolverine knows taskmaster also knows or will learn when he sees wolverine use them .

i give taskmaster 6 out of 4 against wolverine in a pure swordsfight

Originally posted by Trackz
it was revealed in origins he lost some of his skill though, silver samurai retrained him, that doesnt mean he's as good as he used to be though. If wolverine wins i would think it's because of his superior stats.

Your totally updated with Logan events!

I agree, TM for the win.

Taskmaster seen using a sword more doesnt necessarily mean he is more skilled.

quantity is not quality.

TM's mimic ability doesnt mean he has learned the person he is mimicking's full skill and fighting style. the reason i say this how much of what he is learning actually makes up his opponents repertoire 10%, 20%? i dont think anyone would argue TM has mastered 100% of a person's skill with a few snippets of video from a fight whether an hour or 5 minutes.

copying one or ten attacks or a combination of moves using the same base repetitive attack under different situations does not mean TM is more skilled or likely to win.

i am not sure whose skills he has learned or how much of it he implements from what character. learning a parry and a stab from a hero is nice to use if that is what he will implement against a similar fighter but , if the character he is fighting doesnt make the same attack that could be easily countered from TM learned skills..whats the point?

for instance if TM has video of black knight and was stated that he learned a specific fight pattern from him then the pattern would be supplemented with a shield and without it TM could leave himself exploitable and open for a kill stab. since he will be using a European broadsword style which is a hit and miss strength style against a samurai style which is a one hit kill with fights lasting no more then a few seconds.

again Physical strength, stamina, agility and speed will be a large factor in order to win. fighting skills alone stolen or trained will not be the sole reason why one or the other will win.

If you wanna talk about swords styles...
A broadswords is longer with farther reach and has a hilt... Which is useful for preventing blades locked to slide down the blade across the hilt and slicing the hand

the katana... While made for speed dies not have that protective barrier... And the thinness of the blade tends o lead to does more piercing damage then bludgeoning which you gain from the heavy weight of a broadswords...

Now due to the thin nature if the katana... It's weight is great against human flesh.. But tends to bounce off of even a thin layer of armor unless you have a great deal of force behind it... Showing off a bludgeoning or slashing motion rather than a piercing... Course to achieve these stronger attacks requires a larger range of motion which allows you opponent to block... Espeocally onsidering this opponent tm carries a small round shield...

And to those that think tm can't learn techniques... He taught us agent all of caps moves... Tm has fought against asgardians etc..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Taskmaster seen using a sword more doesnt necessarily mean he is more skilled.

quantity is not quality.

TM's mimic ability doesnt mean he has learned the person he is mimicking's full skill and fighting style. the reason i say this how much of what he is learning actually makes up his opponents repertoire 10%, 20%? i dont think anyone would argue TM has mastered 100% of a person's skill with a few snippets of video from a fight whether an hour or 5 minutes.

copying one or ten attacks or a combination of moves using the same base repetitive attack under different situations does not mean TM is more skilled or likely to win.

i am not sure whose skills he has learned or how much of it he implements from what character. learning a parry and a stab from a hero is nice to use if that is what he will implement against a similar fighter but , if the character he is fighting doesnt make the same attack that could be easily countered from TM learned skills..whats the point?

for instance if TM has video of black knight and was stated that he learned a specific fight pattern from him then the pattern would be supplemented with a shield and without it TM could leave himself exploitable and open for a kill stab. since he will be using a European broadsword style which is a hit and miss strength style against a samurai style which is a one hit kill with fights lasting no more then a few seconds.

again Physical strength, stamina, agility and speed will be a large factor in order to win. fighting skills alone stolen or trained will not be the sole reason why one or the other will win.

Except you know, Tasky has shown in the past to know damn near everything about other people's styles (He trained US Agent to fight exactly like Cap, and could identify Typhoid Mary as Mutant Zero just by the way she fought)

And as to your other point, Taskmaster has been shown to adapt and combine styles in combat, as well as anticipating moves from multiple opponents at the same time (his first fight he was taking it to Cap, then anticipated Iron Man's move and disruptor arrowed him, before smashing Cap in the face)

Also, Taskmaster doesn't just use Broadsword techniques, he's basically a master with all combat weapons, but specifically he#'s shown to be able to use Samurai styles to deadly effect.

i like how ppl try to use taskmaster fighting asgardians as a feat in his fighting ability.

agardians in general "should" be competent fighters with decades of experience but that doesnt mean their sword fighting skills are superior to another especially since it is based on a barabaric form of fighting.

I have only seen two scans of TM killing two asgardians but didnt see him actually engage them in a prolong sword fight to gain their skills.again i havent read the fight so maybe he did fight them and not just straight out stab them without them knowing they were under attack.

aside from that it is a bad assumption to think that b/c he fought asgardians that he would keep their skills or even think they were superior then the ones he already has. their is a finite number of sword maneuvers that can be learned the rest is overall fighting skills that are needed in combination.

ppl need to stop saying that Taskmaster knows or is a master in all forms or in wpns just b/c his powers allow him to learn them. how about ppl simply use the on panel skills he has learned and displayed rather then saying he knows everyone or can use a wpn he has never touched or seen learning.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i like how ppl try to use taskmaster fighting asgardians as a feat in his fighting ability.

agardians in general "should" be competent fighters with decades of experience but that doesnt mean their sword fighting skills are superior to another especially since it is based on a barabaric form of fighting.

I have only seen two scans of TM killing two asgardians but didnt see him actually engage them in a prolong sword fight to gain their skills.again i havent read the fight so maybe he did fight them and not just straight out stab them without them knowing they were under attack.

aside from that it is a bad assumption to think that b/c he fought asgardians that he would keep their skills or even think they were superior then the ones he already has. their is a finite number of sword maneuvers that can be learned the rest is overall fighting skills that are needed in combination.

ppl need to stop saying that Taskmaster knows or is a master in all forms or in wpns just b/c his powers allow him to learn them. how about ppl simply use the on panel skills he has learned and displayed rather then saying he knows everyone or can use a wpn he has never touched or seen learning.

Well on panel he has used swords, batons, sais, shield, claws, webslingers, bow and arrows, crossbows, ninja stars, many guns & explosives, and probably some other weapons I've forgotten about.

He's also shown to be able to replicate and recognise damn near every fighting style around, and been able to school people who knows dozens of styles...

And I wouldn't say he knows many Asgardian fighting styles from watcning them, but he was able to anticipate the actions of two Asgardians that attacked him from either side, then killed them.

Actually I think most people use the asgardians refernece because they are "spiderman level" strength and durability wise...
But are a warrior race... It's the quickest reference most will think of...
Tasky even mentions several of the people he's trained that he doesn't get credit for in recent of dark avenger

And in general tasky has a good chance at winning. Don't get all but hurt over it. Sheesh.

I think we all agree it`s pretty close

Logan loses both fights.

He never completed his Samurai training.
And he has been defeated before by Shingen while using his full repertoire.