Originally posted by the ninjak
Logan loses both fights.He never completed his Samurai training.
And he has been defeated before by Shingen while using his full repertoire.
he never completed his samurai training? when was that said? how many yrs and decades does he require to finish his training?
better yet what belt did he stop at?
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Originally posted by Mshinu
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i think some ppl think that not continuing his samurai way of life as not finishing his training... a samurai is never finished he is always seeking improvement it is not something you reach a magic number and say ur done it is a way of life.
i think it is insulting to say he never finished the bastard was training for yrs and decades off and on... for over half a centry if not longer
It will require alot of searching but a recent comic covering all of Logans history stated that he didn't complete his training before his mind started to get manipulated. I'm sorry I can't supply names but his battle with Lord Shingen proves that if it wasn't for his adamantium he would have lost his head......and that was before his upgrade he received from Magneto in Fatal Relations. Giving him the ability to heal from a beheading.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think some ppl think that not continuing his samurai way of life as not finishing his training... a samurai is never finished he is always seeking improvement it is not something you reach a magic number and say ur done it is a way of life.
Indeed. Samurai, or Bushi as they would refer to themselves, were more of a high ranking caste. Many of the old Japanese sword schools are teaching westerners now and have adopted the Kyu/Dan system associated with other arts like Judo. The brightly colored belts are not used tho.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Wich Wolverine completely fails to practice when you take a look at the way he's portrayed
so long that he recognizes his faults and continues self improvement he is not failing...
their are as many scans showing him training practicing telling himself he screwed up, meditating... a samurai is not perfect but he does seek perfection it may not always be during a fight or when angered in a fit of rage.
but he does what he can to overcome his short comings... logan's life is a struggle and he uses his bushido training to face those issues.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowA Samurai has to introduce himself before he fights Wolverine on the other hand gets into bar fights and all other stuff without even mentioning his name and he's not rcognizing his faults and doesn't self improve he keeps on going like nothing happend.
so long that he recognizes his faults and continues self improvement he is not failing...their are as many scans showing him training practicing telling himself he screwed up, meditating... a samurai is not perfect but he does seek perfection it may not always be during a fight or when angered in a fit of rage.
but he does what he can to overcome his short comings... logan's life is a struggle and he uses his bushido training to face those issues.
Originally posted by the ninjak
It will require alot of searching but a recent comic covering all of Logans history stated that he didn't complete his training before his mind started to get manipulated. I'm sorry I can't supply names but his battle with Lord Shingen proves that if it wasn't for his adamantium he would have lost his head......and that was before his upgrade he received from Magneto in Fatal Relations. Giving him the ability to heal from a beheading.
you mean the shingen duo when he was 1st poisoned in and lost and he later came back to fight him again?
Shengin is a master anyway you cut it that doesnt mean b/c he was struck by shingen that Taskmaster will do the same that is faulty logic and a assumption that TM is better skilled in a samurai/ninja/MA duo match then logan.... 😬
also logan had a rematch with shengin when paedra revived him and he ran through him like he wasnt their and killed him as easily as he would cannon fodder.
Originally posted by the ninjak
It's also written that during Logan,s training he was just to savage to undergo the final stages of discipline required for further teaching. Especially after savagely attacking his Sensei when he got frustrated during training.
that is not what happen at all.......... 😐
it was an early flash back of logan's early training reminiscing on Ogun.... he didnt fail to become a samurai nor did ogun nor himself state that. it was an excercise between the two one was to learn to fight and saty calm and focus. did logan lose that exercise yes but it wasnt the end all be all of the samurai training.
Ogun told him he won the fight but was it the man or beast.... Ogun said all things must be in balance they then continued their training...
and if you think logan failed to become a full samurai on that failed exercise of losing his temper in the same comic Ogun returned in his spirit form inside a museum to finish their duo. Wolverine said he remembered his lesson and showing Ogun that the man and beast was in balanced and sliced his helmet in half winning the duo.. so he mastered that lesson anyways decades later 😉 📖
Originally posted by Parmaniac
A Samurai has to introduce himself before he fights Wolverine on the other hand gets into bar fights and all other stuff without even mentioning his name and he's not rcognizing his faults and doesn't self improve he keeps on going like nothing happend.
I guess that's what makes him "the best in what he does BUB"...
his lack to not introduce and bow to a random thug in combat does not mean he is not samurai and no samurai do not have to introduce themselves in combat. that was only reserved for those they considered equal and was removed from being used in war and random combat..
the samurais stop introducing themselves in the 1500's when the Korean huns invaded japan the 1st time. the samurai were being massacred trying to face their enemy individually and with honor.
so no that is not a requirement as being a samurai.........
he always is looking for self improvement and training read his comics every few yrs and random comics has him meditating or training under some one or alone...
i think some of you guys think he needs to be the chestnut stereo type samurai in order to recognize and except his training and skills...
his behavior has nothing to do with his knowledge nor training.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
A Samurai has to introduce himself before he fights Wolverine on the other hand gets into bar fights and all other stuff without even mentioning his name and he's not rcognizing his faults and doesn't self improve he keeps on going like nothing happend.
I guess that's what makes him "the best in what he does BUB"...
Actually a Samurai could slice a commoner`s head off for not bowing to him or showing the respect he was entitled to. Not killing bar scum on sight shows great restraint, a prefered samurai trait 😉
Originally posted by Mshinu
Actually a Samurai could slice a commoner`s head off for not bowing to him or showing the respect he was entitled to. Not killing bar scum on sight shows great restraint, a prefered samurai trait 😉
Ogun sliced a soldier under his command once for dishonoring his uniform and attacking logan and a child...
logan was disgusted by Ogun's actions at the time.
hmm.. so i guess Ogun is not a samurai either nor is SS when he fights logan or other heroes. 🙄
So now the argument is that because of the amount of time Logan has spent training it's assumed he's better?
Time or age does not indicate level of skill... There are plateau points...
Ie wolverine has danced with deadpool before and not done so great...( meaning he didn't automatically win with his mutant abilities and 150 years or whatever of training)
when wolverine fought mr x... He fought a guy that could read all his moves and got beat down in the process...
Taskmaster would be more of the same...
Originally posted by rotiart
So now the argument is that because of the amount of time Logan has spent training it's assumed he's better?Time or age does not indicate level of skill... There are plateau points...
Ie wolverine has danced with deadpool before and not done so great...( meaning he didn't automatically win with his mutant abilities and 150 years or whatever of training)
when wolverine fought mr x... He fought a guy that could read all his moves and got beat down in the process...Taskmaster would be more of the same...
so now u are equating TM to Mr. X?
X did so well b/c he was introduced as a wolverine villain whether he had the skills or power did not much matter.
aside from that TM did even worse then Wolverine with his fight against Mr.X and TM had wpns so if we use Mr. X as a measuring stick and comparison with their fights then logan> TM
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so now u are equating TM to Mr. X?X did so well b/c he was introduced as a wolverine villain whether he had the skills or power did not much matter.
aside from that TM did even worse then Wolverine with his fight against Mr.X and TM had wpns so if we use Mr. X as a measuring stick and comparison with their fights then logan> TM
Except you know, Wolverine would have done as badly if not for the fact he went into a Bezerker Rage with stopped X's telepathy, something Taskmaster has no way of doing, it was completely due to Logan's powers that X lost to him...
1)Wolverine didnt even go into a full berserker rage he was still self aware and in control.
2) Wolverine's berserker rage increases his speed reaction time compressing his perception and most importantly uses all his MA skills instinctually in combination with his physical stats...
so logan was still in control and being in a berserker rage does not guarantee sloppy fighting and taking hits it can also increase fighting MA potential and lack of being hit...
look at wolverine analyzes when he maxed the danger room fighting Lady D..Sabretooth, Shingen.. Ogun all at once.. iu believed he retain full MA skills in his berserker state parrying blocking and attacking
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
1)Wolverine didnt even go into a full berserker rage he was still self aware.
You sure you're not making excuses and trying to split hairs? He was in a beserker rage and thats it?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
2) Wolverine's berserker rage increases his speed reaction time compressing his perception and most importantly uses all his MA skills instinctually in combination with his physical stats...so logan was still in control and being in a berserker rage does not guarantee sloppy fighting and taking hits it can also increase fighting MA potential and lack of being hit...
Who said anything about sloppy fighting? Wow looks like you're just trying to make an excuse for every angle. The point is Wolverine is more powerful when hes in beserker rage like you pointed out.