Well they should have killed Ner'zhul also, I'm going to assume that the only reason he wasn't destroyed is because they need him to further the plot.
Anywayz, I was hoping this thread would draw out Q'Anilia because no one else seems to really know what the Lich King is capable of. Samus on the other hand trows fiar and doesn't afraid of adopting metroids.
No. The reason they did not destroy the Lich King along with Arthas, was because the Lich King is the only reason the Scourge does not utterly destroy the world. Without a Lich King, there will be no one holding the Scourge back from mindless destruction. It is not so much a plot necessity as it makes sense.
Yeah, give us Q'Anilia.
I can see the Lich King winning this one easily, if personality is not included. The Lich King gives his opponents too many chances, which would be his downfall here. He would toy with Samus and she would take it home.
Exclude personality however, and Lich King would pretty much stomp her. She has no means of defeating him if he use his powers properly. The Lich King does not need to use his sword to claim the soul of another, as seen at multiple occasions. All theory aside, Samus has no means of protecting against the Lich King.
They've stopped similar things before.
1. Metroid life drain. It's canon that nothing in the physical realm is lost (blood, ATP, etc.) and yet without it, the victim dies. It is known as "life energy" and is known to be mystical. Samus' shields block this, Space Pirate shields don't.
2. Gorea mind rape. Gorea is a psychic shapeshifter who successfully mindraped an entire species into killing themselves to feed him. He did this to multiple planets at once, while also draining their life. At one point he also sent a telepathic message to another galaxy. Samus' shields block this, including his TK.
3. Bryyonian Magic. It's confirmed that the Mogenar was a blend of technology and magic to create the perfect golem. Several of its attacks ignore matter. Samus' shield blocks them.
4 Chozo Ghosts. After the Chozo ascended to a higher plane of existence but were ripped back to the material world, they were stuck in a state of dimensional flux, existential flux, and insanity. They flit in and out of existence. They ignore matter and Space Pirate shields. They cannot ignore Samus' shields.
5. Ing attack. The Ing are prone to using "transdimensional energy" to attack, meaning they attack between dimensions. They often open portals and tear holes in the fabric of space to attack. Some of them (Hunter Ing) are able to attack from another dimension altogether. Ing are also capable of spiritual possession, which is like demonic possession but worse. Samus' shield blocks all of this, Space Pirate shields do not.
6. Life Energy shield. Any way you look at it, Samus does not have a normal shield. Add to this that she fairly often often absorbs the life energy of creatures in order to recover shield energy. She can also recover missile energy this way. After Metroid Fusion, she can absorb energy directly from X-Parasites without use of her suit.
This good enough to protect her from the Lich King?
There is more to the Lich King than claiming souls. Being named the God of Death is not done for nothing, as Lich King literally control life and death on quite the significant level. He is the master of the realm of the dead, allowing him to quite literally grasp your very life and with nothing but processed thoughts and a gesture end it.
Stealing souls is the most frequent use of his powers, along with necromancy, but it is not his greatest showings.
When the Lich King first engage in battle with Tirion Fordring, he utterly immobilize him while processing his soul. While doing this, he also create a maelstrom of sheer force that send anyone nearing him flying as nothing but a passive addition to channeling Tirion's life energy.
I must be bold enough to claim the Lich King is more potent than a metroid. I must also add that none of the listed things seem able to protect Samus mind from him.
Originally posted by Phantom MiriaMarvel and Dc uses the term differently and reffers to it as a being that does every thing.
[b]You are thinking about NozdormuYou need to cease this ignorance at once!
1. Even Omnipotent characters has been defeated in fiction
2. How a character is created is virtually irrelevant to their powerset in the end
3. The Lich King did not die in that video. Only Arthas did
4. The closest things to Omniscience in Warcraft are Nozdormu, Highfather and purified Sargeras
5. It is stated by narrator that the Lich King is Omnipotent. You can not argue this. Something you KMC people need to do though, is to start using that thing that has been placed between your shoulders. It is there for a purpose.Let me make this abundantly clear:
OMNIPOTENCE
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MEAN
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CHARACTER
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EVERYTHINGYou are abusing the English language by saying Omnipotence equal all powers. Such is not the case. Those that claim that Omnipotence is precicely that, lack comprehension of the English language and insight on what being all-powerful actually can mean.
It is like saying that just because a character can regulate magic, he can control all magic arround him.
One says Omnipotence, you say "No way" Get a clue!
If by someone you mean Chris Metzen and Bob Fitch, then yes. [/B]
Oh, yes, the guy who drained the souls of four planets at once while absorbing every weapon fired at him pales in comparison to the Mighty Lich King. Or the guy whose dimension will drain the life from anything in seconds, and attacks with the energy that keeps the dimension stable. Or the girl that bends entire planets to her will.
Gorea, The Emperor Ing, and Dark Samus, respectively. Hell, Ridley himself is a mountain buster and can rip a starship apart in melee. Mother Brain psychically controlled all of Zebes' wildlife. One of Samus' weakest weapon has enough energy in one shot to power the United States for a year.
I'm pretty sure the Lich King is out of his league here.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Oh, yes, the guy who drained the souls of four planets at once while absorbing every weapon fired at him pales in comparison to the Mighty Lich King. Or the guy whose dimension will drain the life from anything in seconds, and attacks with the energy that keeps the dimension stable. Or the girl that bends entire planets to her will.Gorea, The Emperor Ing, and Dark Samus, respectively. Hell, Ridley himself is a mountain buster and can rip a starship apart in melee. Mother Brain psychically controlled all of Zebes' wildlife. One of Samus' weakest weapon has enough energy in one shot to power the United States for a year.
I'm pretty sure the Lich King is out of his league here.
If he is, it is not because of the things you listed in this post. Why? Two reasons:
1. Quantity does not make quality. Should here on KMC also be known as the "Jedah-Fallacy"
2. What the characters Samus has fought can bust is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Yet several of their omnipotent characters has limits, and what DC and Marvel does is irrelevant to the definition of the word. [/B]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/omnipotent
these refer to it as unlimited/complete powers
if you refering to the abtracts they are considered virtual or high level reality warpers
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]If he is, it is not because of the things you listed in this post. Why? Two reasons:1. Quantity does not make quality.
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2. What the characters Samus has fought can bust is irrelevant.
1. Quantity is a quality all its own. What I'm saying is, Gorea's psychic abilities span trillions of miles and drain trillions of creatures simultaneously. Doing so is invariably more difficult than draining one creature. One push up is easy. One trillion while being shot at is another matter entirely.
2. It establishes the durability of Samus' shield. If someone Samus fought can destroy something and the Lich King cannot, he lacks the physical power to seriously harm her. Magical power may or may not be different.
Originally posted by Phanteros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/omnipotentthese refer to it as unlimited/complete powers
if you refering to the abtracts they are considered virtual or high level reality warpers
In your wikipedia link, the following is said:"1. A deity is able to do anything that is logically possible for it to do"
Which completely enforce my point on what Omnipotence actually is. There are interpretations from that point and forward, but this quote is the absolute meaning of what Omnipotence is.
Originally posted by The Scenario
1. Quantity is a quality all its own. What I'm saying is, Gorea's psychic abilities span trillions of miles and drain trillions of creatures simultaneously. Doing so is invariably more difficult than draining one creature. One push up is easy. One trillion while being shot at is another matter entirely.2. It establishes the durability of Samus' shield. If someone Samus fought can destroy something and the Lich King cannot, he lacks the physical power to seriously harm her. Magical power may or may not be different.
1. Quantity is a quality of its own, yes, but that does not make it quality absolute. Being able to drain multiple targets does not make your single target focus any more potent. How exactly do you know that she is able to exert any more power on one individual over a trillion? Do not say "It makes sense" because it does not.
2. We are not talking physical power, as far as I have come to understand. I do not think it has ever been brought up as a topic in favor of the Lich King. I also do not think anyone is foolish enough to argue it, since his greatest strength feat is breaking a metal axe.
I don't think that was point I was trying to make. Gorea affects trillions of beings in the same way. He does not necessarily affect a single individual differently, or with more power. The fact is that he drained several planets full of powerful psychic creatures cabable of defending themselves.
The point is not that Samus' shield blocked an arbitrarily "more powerful" drain attack, the fact is that she blocked it at all. There is what amounts to a wall between Samus and the Lich King, and that wall has blocked multiple things that are mystical in nature with very little damage to itself. You're going to have to prove that the Lich King can get past this wall when soul drains, telekineses, telepathy, dimensional attack, magical attack, and ghostly attack have failed to permanently harm it.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Quantity does not make quality. Should here on KMC also be known as the "Jedah-Fallacy" [/B]
This would be true for the most part. But in Jedah's case, the sheer power brought about by Quantity can not be ignored. If it were just a few dozen souls, understandable. But hundreds of billions upon hundreds of billions? There comes a point where quantity overwhelms quality. Jedah could steal every soul on earth hundreds of times over.
I would rather be the man with 1000 one dollar bills than the man with just two 100 dollar bills.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Marvel and Dc uses the term differently and reffers to it as a being that does every thing.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Yet several of their omnipotent characters has limits, and what DC and Marvel does is irrelevant to the definition of the word. [/B]
The only beings in Marvel that are omnipotent would be The One Above All, he's ominpotent/omniscent and omnipresent and he can do anything he wishes, he is literally above everything else in the entire MU Multiverse. Nothing else is omnipoten, in that universe, Omega Mutants are said to have unlimted potential but that's unlimited potential that deals with their power. Iceman is an Omega but that's only pertaining to his ice/water powers, he can't warp reality or set things on fire or whatever. Pre retcon Beyonder was also Omnipotent but he isn't anymore. As for DC The Presence is the only Tri-Omni person I can think of.